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jaley <jaley@...>
 

Doug,

Could you please re-send the URL, or the search terms you used to
find the image? I did the cut-n-paste job to get the whole thing into IE,
but it did not work.

Thanks,

-Jeff


On Aug 9, 1:46pm, Douglas Harding wrote:
Subject: [STMFC]
Jared
Attached is a photo (stripped by Yahoo for those on the list) showing a
grain elevator chute being used to load a box car. The photo was taken
in
Grundy Center, Iowa in the late 30's as part of the government photo
project. The photo is from the
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?fsaall:75:./temp/~ammem_Vvbq::@@@mdb=m
anz,ftvbib,aaodyssey,hh,gottscho,mharendt,bbpix,spaldingbib,magbell,lbcoll,r
bpebib,tccc,cdn,coplandbib,curt,fsaall,mfd,aep,fine,fmuever,flwpabib,cowellb
ib,toddbib,lomaxbib,afcwwgbib,raelbib,hurstonbib,gottlieb,mffbib,wpa,mcc,gmd
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Charles Morrill <badlands@...>
 

I'm probably being picky, but most of the older (pre-covered hopper) grain elevators that I've seen in photos or drawings had the car loading shute exiting the side of the elevator wall at a very steep angle many feet above the top of a boxcar roof. The end of the ridgid part of the shute and the beginning of the flexible spout was near the top of the boxcar door. At the moment I'm looking at a 1942 issue of MR with a construction article and drawings for a grain elevator with this type shute.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [STMFC]


Jared
Attached is a photo-------
---
The chute is made of a number metal "bucket" like devices without bottoms.
They are fastened together into a flexible hose, which you can clearly see
in the photo. As boxcars were the only method of moving grain until the
advent of the covered hopper in the late 50's, these long flexible spouts
were found on every elevator, sometimes at the end of an enclosed wooden box
spout or the end of a long metal tube spout. The traditional elevator was
emptied from the bottom of the bins, so the spouts came out of the side of
the elevator at about box car door height. Only later with the covered
hoppers do you see spouts well above the height of cars, being fed by the
"grain leg" of the elevator.

Hope this answers a few questions

Douglas Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com


Re: GULF Tank Cars - Paint schemes and Eras?

Jim Ogden
 

Hi Tim and Group,
I believe the takeover of Warren Petroleum was some time in the early 1960's; I had an uncle working in management for Warren during that time period when Gulf took them over.

Jim



But the black WRNX tank with large orange Gulf lettering was
Used on some late 1950's era welded lpg tanks. I do not know
when the paint was applied but my only photo is from 1970.
The closest model in HO for that style body type is a pretty
bad 1960's AHM kit.
I thought WRNX was for Warren. Not so?
Tim O'Connor
--
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Fort Worth, Texas


Re: Keystone Modeler

Justin Kahn
 

And not a minute too soon. I am in the middle of re-building one of the QC O scale caboose kits (not so much badly assembled as just not good enough for my standards). I shall be particularly interested to see how soldering works, as the wood substructure is causing me quite a bit of head-scratching, as to how to work around it.
These were rather expensive kits, even now (let alone fifteen years or so ago when they were produced), and apart from the general trend away from kits at Weaver, I suspect did not sell well enough for other kits of the kind.
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.




The August 2005 issue of The Keystone Modeler is online at
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm

Articles of interest include:
Modeling PRR Flat Cars - Class FM (Elden Gatwood)
Upgrading the Walthers Class R50B, A PRRPro Project (Bruce Smith)
2005 Annual Meeting Display Models
Assembling the Quality Craft Class N5C Brass Kit (Kris Kollar)
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Re: Decal trades??

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Dean Payne wrote:
"Anyway, Funaro put the wrong decals in with my O&W hopper, and now
that it is finished, I find this out! I have the decals for the 2700-
series box cars, and those cannot be used."

As previously posted, keep after Steve and Sharon. Additionally, if
you can meet them at a show, they do bring along spare kit decals and
will provide them on very reasonable terms.


"While I'm on the subject, I messed up my Tichy PMcK&Y box decals. I
tried trimming the decal close to the lines above and below the
reporting marks. Well, they curled under and made a mess on one
side. I consulted my photo, and those were not present when the box
was rebuilt! So, I was able to get one side done."

If you can't find any takers and can't locate the Tichy decals, C-D-S
HO-457 is specifically for the earlier PMcK&Y "New York Central
Lines" scheme.


Ben Hom


Re: Our stashes of obsolete models (Was: ATSF class Bx-49)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tom Madden wrote:
"Why? What is it that keeps us from throwing bad/obsolete models away??"

I build simplified and legacy models mainly for one all too familiar
reason: the local ham-handed moron(s) at clubs who don't know or care
how to handle model rolling stock. You know, that individual that
destroys brake detail/sill steps/grab irons/trucks/couplers, even if
you admonish them not to do so. If I can build a decent looking model
that can withstand some careless handling that won't look too crappy
next to a Kadee PS-1, that means less time spent on fixing broken club
rolling stock and more time spent on projects that I want to do.

There's also the fact that some of these models do represent prototypes
that may be a long time coming in resin, or never will come again in
plastic - the HObbyline quad (LV), Lindberg/Mantua high side gon
(Erie), etc. They're crude starting points, but starting points
nonetheless.

Finally (and Doc will back me on this), there's the satisfaction of
taking a vintage or obsolete kit and turning it into a nice model.
(Stan Rydarowicz is a master at doing this!) My Athearn metal boxcars
may have been superceded by today's models, but they've fooled more
than one modeler at the display tables.

Still, I'm not turning down one bit of the progress that we've made in
the last 20-25 years!


Ben Hom


Re: Our stashes of obsolete models (Was: ATSF class Bx-49)

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Amen!

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

Beckert, Shawn wrote:

Tom Madden confessed:



My name is Tom, and I have a junk retention problem.........

We all do. I shudder to think how many old kits are in storage
at the moment, waiting for when I have time and space to try
and resurrect them. Yes, it would be better to toss the whole
lot into a dumpster, but there's something about throwing out
stuff that you spent your hard-earned cash on (no matter how
outdated it is now) that just goes against my (packrat) nature.

Shawn Beckert



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Re: express/milk trains/ beer/explosives

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

montydogsdad2 wrote:

Tim,

The Carling car is #GARE 723 and the photo was in a 1931 General
American Tank car Ad book. So this car is original. The Labatt's
car is harder to pin down. There is data saying 1956 , but I can't
say that is the blt date as it doesn't say built. #GPEX 923.
Art,

GARE #724 was leased to the Sullivan Dairy in Chicago, and definitely was a milk car. It would appear that GARE #723 was a "promotional" piece by GATX saying how beer would be rushed to the US when Prohibition ended - or so I read into the 1931 text on page 83 of the GATX book.

Anyway, I suppose these GARE cars were transferred over to GPEX when the GATX and the Pfauldler Company got together and formed GPEX shortly after 1931.

Tim Gilbert


Jim King

raildata@...
 

Jim,

Contact me off line at RAILDATA@aol.com.

Have made the lsit you want but lost your e-mail address.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO


Re: Our stashes of obsolete models (Was: ATSF class Bx-49)

Paul Hillman
 

It just takes all kinds Tom, I myself am a scratch-building, kit-bashing fool. I love the personal skill and effort that it takes me to build something out of "nothing" or some raw starting point.

I also have many R-T-R Kadee's, built several Tichy kits, resin kits, ad infinitum. Modern, current models ARE pretty great, and I intend to buy many of them as finance & time permit.

But, when I was a kid growing up in the '50's, my parents were of that time where "nothing-was-wasted". My mother saved buttons, scraps of material, patched my jeans, and (you know,.....the story of those times?). She used to say, "You eat everything on your plate. Think of all those starving children in China!"

My model-railroading practices followed those same principles. Model Railroader used to have a column called, "Kinks", back then, where they'd pay you a dollar for ideas on how to use an old ball-point-pen, brass cartridge for tubing and all that kind of stuff. I have stashes of all kinds of screws and parts like that. I can't help it. That tendency will be with me until I go to that great RIP-track in the sky. To me, it comes from just a strong sense of conservatism.

Tom Mix just posted a picture of a really fine, labor-intensive, scratch-built car in the photo-section. Boy, am I further inspired!!

Paul Hillman

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:41 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Our stashes of obsolete models (Was: ATSF class Bx-49)

Why? What is it that keeps us from throwing bad/obsolete models away??
I suffer from this same affliction and have large stashes of old
models, detail parts, decals and half-finished projects that have long
since been eclipsed by better offerings. Yet I can't bring myself to
toss them, even though their aggregate cost was small compared to the
value of the extra time it would take me to build them into models
comparable to Branchline, Red Caboose or InterMountain. It's one thing
to cherish an old Ambroid kit for its collectibility, even to build it
just for the experience. But it's quite another to hang on to all
those old plastic freight car kits, body shells and detritus of past
kitbashing projects. The C&BT kits were the only game in town for a
while, but they were not good kits. The FRP kits were better but, as
the late Terry Metcalfe once told me, "Fred [Becker, owner of FRP]
always does 90% of a good job." My wife is no help. Last time I tried
to dumpster a cubic foot or two of Life-Like (toy), Bachmann, Tyco and
T-M shells and hulks she allowed as how the grandsons might like to
have them. What for? The 4-year old is into Thomas the Tank Engine,
and the 8-year old prefers scale rolling stock that actually runs.
When and if he's ready to enter the craft side of the hobby, I'd
prefer he start with something other than my old junk. Or your old
junk.

My name is Tom, and I have a junk retention problem.........

Tom Madden







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Re: Our stashes of obsolete models (Was: ATSF class Bx-49)

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Andy Miller:
And what do I do with all the old AHM/Rivarossi 12-1 I lovingly
detailed, painted and put interiors in? Or my Red Ball PRR R50b's,
Or
my scratch built PRR B60s. And soon I will need the same answer for
all
my AHM/Rivarossi 10-6s. Siiigh!

To keep on subject for this list, I am sure I have lots of old TM,
MDC,
and Athearn freight cars with hundred of hours in them to make them
acceptable. But they look like a compromise along side of IM, RC, and
Branchline cars.
Ah, grasshopper, I was referring to unbuilt or partially-built models,
not completed ones. Such models are burdened with the future
investment of time, which you may not choose to make if you can have a
much better model in less time. This becomes more of an issue once
your remaining available time can no longer be measured in decades.

Your completed models will serve as an example to future generations
of modelers who can look at them and ask, rhetorically, "You mean
_that_ was state of the art in 1995??" (Don't laugh - check out Paul
Larson's "supermodel" Swift reefer in a mid-50's issue of MR.)

Tom Madden


Re: CM&StP Auto Car

Eugene Deimling <losgatos48@...>
 

Tom:

The model is beautiful. Your photography has greatly improved. The
digital camera is working out really great.

For those who want to see more of master builder, Tom Mix's models, you can
go to the Proto48 website and click on the "Gallery" tab on the top and
navigate to Tom Mix. There are a couple of articles on his scratch built
steam models. It is a must visit for CB&Q fans.

http://www.proto48.org <http://www.proto48.org/>



Gene Deimling





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I just up loaded a pic of a Milwaukee Auto Car. Ed Mines was asking
about these cars in Msg # 44065

This car was scratch built from styrene, end and side braces are each
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Re: Our stashes of obsolete models (Was: ATSF class Bx-49)

Shawn Beckert
 

Tom Madden confessed:

My name is Tom, and I have a junk retention problem.........
We all do. I shudder to think how many old kits are in storage
at the moment, waiting for when I have time and space to try
and resurrect them. Yes, it would be better to toss the whole
lot into a dumpster, but there's something about throwing out
stuff that you spent your hard-earned cash on (no matter how
outdated it is now) that just goes against my (packrat) nature.

Shawn Beckert


Re: Our stashes of obsolete models (Was: ATSF class Bx-49)

Miller,Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

And what do I do with all the old AHM/Rivarossi 12-1 I lovingly
detailed, painted and put interiors in? Or my Red Ball PRR R50b's, Or
my scratch built PRR B60s. And soon I will need the same answer for all
my AHM/Rivarossi 10-6s. Siiigh!

To keep on subject for this list, I am sure I have lots of old TM, MDC,
and Athearn freight cars with hundred of hours in them to make them
acceptable. But they look like a compromise along side of IM, RC, and
Branchline cars.

regards,

Andy Miller

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pullmanboss
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 2:42 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Our stashes of obsolete models (Was: ATSF class Bx-49)


My name is Tom, and I have a junk retention problem.........

Tom Madden


CM&StP Auto Car

captmix <tamix@...>
 

I just up loaded a pic of a Milwaukee Auto Car. Ed Mines was asking
about these cars in Msg # 44065

This car was scratch built from styrene, end and side braces are each
made from 3 strips of Evergreen styrene. Many holes drilled for Grandt
nut and bolt castings. Trucks are old Max Gray converted to Proto 48.

Plans are in Train Shed Cyc #61.

Tom Mix


New Rib Side Car 40' DD Box

dphobbies
 

Just a note to let interested parties know that George has released
his second MILW rib side boxcar. It is a 40' double door with short
ribs and come lettered for "Route of the Hiawathas" and the CMStP&P
logo. MSRP is still $19.39.

Usual disclamers don't apply as I am somewhat in the business as we
carry a couple of these. They are available at any good hobbyshop.
Go buy them where ever you can as George needs the business to
continue offering new and unique MILW stuff.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines


(No subject)

Douglas Harding <d.harding@...>
 

Jared
Attached is a photo (stripped by Yahoo for those on the list) showing a
grain elevator chute being used to load a box car. The photo was taken in
Grundy Center, Iowa in the late 30's as part of the government photo
project. The photo is from the
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?fsaall:75:./temp/~ammem_Vvbq::@@@mdb=m
anz,ftvbib,aaodyssey,hh,gottscho,mharendt,bbpix,spaldingbib,magbell,lbcoll,r
bpebib,tccc,cdn,coplandbib,curt,fsaall,mfd,aep,fine,fmuever,flwpabib,cowellb
ib,toddbib,lomaxbib,afcwwgbib,raelbib,hurstonbib,gottlieb,mffbib,wpa,mcc,gmd
,aipn,afcpearl,vv,wpapos,pin,presp,ncr,afcesnbib,mesnbib,horyd,hawp,awh,awhb
ib,wright

The chute is made of a number metal "bucket" like devices without bottoms.
They are fastened together into a flexible hose, which you can clearly see
in the photo. As boxcars were the only method of moving grain until the
advent of the covered hopper in the late 50's, these long flexible spouts
were found on every elevator, sometimes at the end of an enclosed wooden box
spout or the end of a long metal tube spout. The traditional elevator was
emptied from the bottom of the bins, so the spouts came out of the side of
the elevator at about box car door height. Only later with the covered
hoppers do you see spouts well above the height of cars, being fed by the
"grain leg" of the elevator.

Hope this answers a few questions

Douglas Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com


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Branchline 50' Steel Express Reefers

Andy Carlson
 

Branchline HO UNDEC REA Express Steel Reefers are
here.

MSRP of $24.98, I am offering my last unsold 5 at
$20.00 ea.

shipping is $3.85 for first car, add another $1.00 for
each additional car.
contact me off-list at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson


Branchline 50' Steel Express Reefers

Andy Carlson
 

Branchline HO UNDEC REA Express Steel Reefers are
here.

MSRP of $24.98, I am offering my last unsold 5 at
$20.00 ea.

shipping is $3.85 for first car, add another $1.00 for
each additional car.
contact me off-list at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson

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