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Re: 1950 Tonnage - Coal from PA

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:

Great coal data, Tim!

Why was so little anthracite used in the midwest, compared
to NY/NJ/PA? I thought that people really liked burning that
sort of coal in their furnaces. Were there sources of anthracite
closer to OH/IN/IL/MI etc or did the people there just burn
regular bituminous (or low sulfur bituminous) at home? Was
it so expensive to ship anthracite by rail from PA to Ohio?
Je ne sais pas.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Tony Thompson & Scale Weights

Paul Hillman
 

Tony & Tim,

OK, thanks. I see where I erred, in scaling down only 1 dimension of a 3 dimensional object.

Paul Hillman

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Paul Hillman wrote:
> Say, in HO scale, 87.1:1, we physically scale-down the prototype
> dimensions by that ratio. What if the car were built of the exact same
> materials as the prototype, would the weight scale-down by 87.1 also?

No, it would scale by the volume, which goes as the cube root
of the scale. That would make it roughly 1.5 to 2 ounces.

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Re: 1950 Tonnage - Coal from PA

Tim O'Connor
 

Great coal data, Tim!

Why was so little anthracite used in the midwest, compared
to NY/NJ/PA? I thought that people really liked burning that
sort of coal in their furnaces. Were there sources of anthracite
closer to OH/IN/IL/MI etc or did the people there just burn
regular bituminous (or low sulfur bituminous) at home? Was
it so expensive to ship anthracite by rail from PA to Ohio?

Tim O'Connor


Re: paint removal

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

ABS == Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene
^^^^^^

Sheesh. You can take the professor outta
the classroom, but...

Tim O.

Not styrene, but ABS, has rubber particles in it (the "B"
stands for butadiene).


Re: Stainless Steel Shipping

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Keith Jordan wrote:
Does anyone know how stainless steel was shipped in the early 1950s? Coils?
Sheets? Boxcars? Flats? Gons?
I don't know a lot of details on this, but I'd say the answer is "yes."

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Re: paint removal

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Brake fluid . . . ATTACKS rubber -- many styrenes
include a form of rubber in them (e.g. Kato, AHM) which is why
they become weak and brittle.
Not styrene, but ABS, has rubber particles in it (the "B" stands for butadiene).

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Re: Tony Thompson & Scale Weights

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Paul Hillman wrote:
Say, in HO scale, 87.1:1, we physically scale-down the prototype
dimensions by that ratio. What if the car were built of the exact same
materials as the prototype, would the weight scale-down by 87.1 also?
No, it would scale by the volume, which goes as the cube root of the scale. That would make it roughly 1.5 to 2 ounces.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 1950 Tonnage - Origin & Termination of Coal mined or used in PA

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Ben,

The 1957 book AMERICAN COMMODITY FLOW (1957) by Ullman has maps showing what states terminated Anthracite and Bituminous Coal mined in Pennsylvania in 1950, and what states mined Bituminous Coal for consumption in Pennsylvania (no other state mined Anthracite consumed in PA). Pennsylvania was the only state in Ullman's book where the origins & destinations of coal was cited; for other states, the Products of Mines tables are the closest alternative which may not be that good.

First, the destination by states (or regions) of Coal mined in PA.

(000's of Tons) Anthracite Bituminous
1950 Tons % Total Tons % Total
North N Eng. 742 2.5% 450 0.8%
South N Eng. 2,832 9.4% 2,435 4.2%
New York 9,367 31.0% 16,428 28.6%
New Jersey 7,713 25.5% 8,997 15.7%
Pennsylvania 7,551 25.0% 15,697 27.3%
DE, MD, DC, VA 865 2.8% 2,388 4.1%
West Virginia 23 0.1% 44 0.1%
Ohio 176 0.6% 10,565 18.4%
IL, IN, MI, WI 933 3.1% 404 0.7%
FL, AL, TN, TX 35 0.1% -0-
MN, IA, MO, CA 47 0.2% -0-
Total 30,249 100.0% 57,408 100.0%

1) In terms of coal fields, Anthracite was mined in Northeastern Pennsylvania while Bituminous was mined in the Western part of the state.

2) These figures represent the states where all-rail transport from Pennsylvania terminated. The figures do not measure where the coal was consumed. The table measures only where hoppers (or gons) loaded with PA-mined coal were terminated.

3) Some of the PA Coal mined was delivered to ports for transshipment into barges or ships for transport to other states. In terms of where the consumers were the figures for New York may be bloated for transshipment at Sodus Point NY for points in Ontario (plus the transfer of hoppers at Rutland's Albergh NY Trestle). Transshipment of PA Coal at Erie and Ohio's Great Lake Ports for destinations on the Upper Lakes bloated the Pennsylvania and Ohio Terminating Tonnage at the expense of states served by the Upper Lake Ports. New Jersey's figures may have been bloated by transshipment across the Hudson River to New York and Connecticut. Exports of Coal through Atlantic Ports may have bloated PA's & NJ's tonnage. It is difficult to assess how much of the individual tonnage for particular states includes transfers to barges & ships - nor are these tonnages being placed on barges at or near the mines for transit down the Ohio River to other states included.

4) Any all-rail transit to Ontario via Buffalo or Suspension Bridge is not reflected in the table.

5) States not cited in the table above did not receive any all-rail shipments of PA Coal. This means that "Other States" could have received PA-mined Coal after the coal was loaded into barges and ships, and then back into hoppers (& gons) at another transshipment point.

24,588,000 tons of Bituminous Coal were terminated in Pennsylvania of which 15,697,000 tons (63.8%) were mined in Pennsylvania. Other states originating Bituminous Coal were West Virginia (7,693,000 tons or 31.3% of the total); Maryland (466,000 tons or 1.9%); Kentucky (384,000 tons or 1.6%); Ohio (274,000 tons or 1.1%); Virginia (50,000 tons or 0.2%) and Tennessee (24,000 tons or 0.1% of the total). There is no distinction within Pennsylvania where this Bituminous Coal was terminated - Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, etc..

Tim Gilbert


ADMIN: Out of scope messages

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Given the fact that color tests and evaluations are no more associated with steam era frt cars than, say, Wolverton Mountain is, that subject is now terminated on the STMFC...unless a member ties such a subject directly to a steam era frt car.

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Re: Tony Thompson & Scale Weights

Tim O'Connor
 

A 60,000 lb. car would then weigh 689 lbs. in HO?
Paul Hillman
Paul, objects have 3 dimensions, so 87.1 x 87.1 x 87.1
equals (approx) 660776, so a 200,000 lb loaded prototype
car in should weigh 4.84 ounces in HO scale. The NMRA
recommendations are in that ballpark.

Tim O.


Tony Thompson & Scale Weights

Paul Hillman
 

Tony,

I understand you have a Phd in metallurgy? Maybe you could answer, or
comment on a "dumb ( ? )" question I've often thought about, but never
tried or researched?

Say, in HO scale, 87.1:1, we physically scale-down the prototype
dimensions by that ratio. What if the car were built of the exact same
materials as the prototype, would the weight scale-down by 87.1 also?

A 60,000 lb. car would then weigh 689 lbs. in HO?

Paul Hillman


Re: paint removal

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

As Tim said brake fluid is dangerous to some plastics.
I have used "Pinhosol", I'm not sure if in the US is the same name or Pinesol.
Works on Athearn stuff.
Marcelo Lordeiro

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>> I have stripped my Stewart FTs for the 3rd time with brake fluid.
>> Two things to remember. It's cheap and dangerous. Remember, Model
>> railroading is FUN and dangerous. Rob Manley

Brake fluid is not dangerous, although like most things you don't
want it in your eyes, mouth or on your hands -- It will remove the
oils and moisture from your hands temporarily. It can be instantly
washed off with drygas or windshield washer fluid but it will make
your skin as dry as paper. And it ATTACKS rubber -- many styrenes
include a form of rubber in them (e.g. Kato, AHM) which is why
they become weak and brittle.

Tim O.




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Re: paint removal

Tim O'Connor
 

I have stripped my Stewart FTs for the 3rd time with brake fluid.
Two things to remember. It's cheap and dangerous. Remember, Model
railroading is FUN and dangerous. Rob Manley
Brake fluid is not dangerous, although like most things you don't
want it in your eyes, mouth or on your hands -- It will remove the
oils and moisture from your hands temporarily. It can be instantly
washed off with drygas or windshield washer fluid but it will make
your skin as dry as paper. And it ATTACKS rubber -- many styrenes
include a form of rubber in them (e.g. Kato, AHM) which is why
they become weak and brittle.

Tim O.


Re: paint removal

Marcelo <mrcustom@...>
 

Plastic and brass.
Marcelo Lordeiro

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For plastic?Armand Premo
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> The Scalecoat paint remover is a very good product.
> Marcelo
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Re: paint removal

Marcelo <mrcustom@...>
 

It's not a lacquer solvent but works on the lacquer based paints.
I 've been having good results even on the Kato stuff.
Keep the shell for half an hour deep into the remover then scrub with a tooth brush. You will remove all the paint.
Marcelo Lordeiro

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At 06:36 PM 8/17/2005, you wrote:

>Whoa..Did you mean Scalecoat ll paint remover?Armand Premo

No, he didn't. It's not a lacquer solvent; it won't attack
the styrene. It's not effective against some water base paints
or the notorious Kato paint which seems to resist most every
kind of dissolver.




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Re: paint removal

Marcelo <mrcustom@...>
 

They have one type only , I'm not sure they changed the name. I've been using it for more than 15 years.
You have to take care with some old Atlas locomotives made by Kato , don't let them for more than 1 hour into the product.
Marcelo Lordeiro

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Subject: paint removal

Mike Calvert
 

Castrol Super Clean Degreaser is highly recommended by modelers in plastic- aircraft, armour, etc.
Available at Walmart for $5 a gallon.

See the comparative evaluation at
http://www.bonediggers.com/1-3/strip/strip.html

Mike Calvert


Re: Stupid eBay Tricks

Eric
 

The problem with escalating OOP kit prices is that eventually the
price is going to reach the price that:

1. If you only need a few you're going to do without.

or

2. If it's a car you need a bunch of you're going to buy one and make
your own copies and make as many as you need. Yeah, it takes a bit of
futzing to make up for shrinkage but it can be done.

I have a friend who used to market body shells for Matchbox,
Hotwheels and assorted slot cars that he shrunk down to closer to
actual HO scale.


Eric Petersson


Re: Stupid eBay Tricks

Eric
 

David Ball wrote:

"As an aside, not living in the US, I am prepared to pay an inflated
price for a Sunshine kit on eBay because:
1. You actually know your going to get it in a week."

That's not necessarily so.

I bought a Detail Associates gondola last year off Ebay. I never got
it. The seller sent it and had a delivery receipt from the USPS.
However, it was one of their delivery confirmation where no one is
required to sign for the package. Is it's the equvilent of the old'
the dog ate my homework' chestnut. It might actualy have been
delivered as the quality of the management of my former abode left a
lot to be desire. I just didn't get it.

It was also compounded by the seller never responding to my repeated
[month and a half] emails as to when he was going to send me my kit.
The guy was nice enough to offer me another kit to replace the lost
one. So I'm the owner of an old Walthers stamped side HW coach kit.
It's okay but not what I wanted.

Just because you win the auction and have the item sent to you
doesn't mean you're ever going to see it in your hot little hands.


Eric Petersson


Re: More Color Interpreting

dave w
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Boucher" <jptrr@y...> wrote:
More Color Interpreting

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/bellmanwm_1.htm

Enjoy,

Fred Boucher
Nice one Fred.
The New Zealanders loved theirs too, the only 'armour' we had until
'43 (and wore them out till they fell apart I understand) and wire and
twine wouldnt keep them running any longer ...
regards,
dave whaaa...
{objects to using full names because of privacy reasons]

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