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Re: Bob's photos

ljack70117@...
 

On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 01:29 PM, <branchline@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Jeez Tony, you West Coast types really are wimps... :>)

In fact, its not a real Springfield show if it doesn't snow at least one
day... A few years back we had a blizzard the first morning of Springfield.
We showed up early to set up the booth and were greeted by a long line of
hearty New England model railroaders waiting two hours or more outside - in
the blinding snow - to get in! Now them's real model railroaders! Think I
even saw Tim in that line....

Now, having said all that - See you at the pool bar in Cocoa Beach!

Bill Schneider
Been in south Florida for 5 years. Get a little wind but have seen no snow yet.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@adelphia.net
Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark.


Re: The Springfield Show

drgwm64 <no17@...>
 

Somehow I missed this in the digest version....

I have been to it, 3 times. It depends on what you are looking for.
Bob L. has his full inventory at Springfield, he does not at Cocoa
Beach or Naperville. That said, if you call him before hand, and if he
remembers (a dicey possibility after his skull fracture, but he *is*
getting better), he will bring what you ask. However, it should be
also said that I ended up finding Rio Grande photos in binders having
nothing to do with Rio Grande.

I will also mention that weather can play tricks on you - I went to a
Sn3 Symposium in Pasadena in February and it was 10 degrees warmer when
I left O'Hare than it was for the next two days in Pasadena (it was 74
in Chicago).

But... it all boils down to what you want to look for. If you are
looking for photos, resin kits (although mostly eastern kits), a show
that rivals the shows at NMRA conventions with a whole lot more people
attending, then it is a good show to go to - at least once. Go with
friends and have a ball with the famous Sprinfield night life... On the
other hand, if you are looking for ATSF or SP freight car diagrams, or
other such things, I would wait until Naperville or CB for the photos
and kits and then go to the Du Page, Gaithersburg and St. Charles shows
for the paper.

The good thing for you is that from beautiful downtown Burbank, you can
get relatively cheap flights to Midway and to BWI and Dulles (FLYI to
Dulles).

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...>
wrote:


Bob Webber, have you been to this one? It would take a lot to get
me to fly clear across the country just to freeze my behind off.

Shawn Beckert, nice and (really) toasty in Burbank...


Other Dealers, was Bob's Photos

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

Other dealers is subjective, depending on what you are looking
for. One person's best will be another's washout due to the road or
era not being what is desired.

Some I have used are:
Keith Sirman keith.sirman at sympatico dot ca
Jim Shaw <mailto:wjshaw@msn.com>wjshaw at msn dot com
J. Michael Gruber Portage WI 53901 Mainline Photos
J.R. Quinn Worcester NY 12197
Bob Liljestrand
Don Gruber North Aurora IL 60542-0122 Railroad Photographs
Stan Kistler Grass Valley CA 95945 Historical Railroad Photographs
John A Rehor Lovettesville VA 22080-9402 Beech Grove Photo
John C. La Rue, Jr. Bonita Springs FL
Bruce Maxwell John Maxwell Collections http://www.colong.com/
Tom Klinger
Norm Metcalf
Jay Williams
William A. Raia
Jim Ehrenberger

Others of institutional type include the DPL, LOC and such. But,
again, it depends on road, era, type, etc.

(BTW, the Grubers, Bob, Raia. Williams and Keith typically show up at
Naperville among others.)

I have more specific contact information for all of the above, and
will provide off list If someone is interested in specifics, I can
provide too (in terms of roads and such

At 12:35 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote:

Message: 11
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:30:39 -0000
From: "Brian Chapman" <cornbeltroute@mchsi.com>
Subject: Bobs Photos . . . ?

Possible to get a quick summary about how to order from Bob's Photos?
Address? Does he offer a catalog?

Are there other notable photo dealers out there? Perhaps there is a
Top 5, or a Top 10 . . . is there contact information readily available?

Thanks much,

Brian Chapman / Evansdale, Iowa
Bob Webber


Re: The Springfield Show

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Aug 25, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

Okay,

More than a few people here have said the Springfield show is
"the best bar none". I have yet to hear the reason why. What's
the attraction - more tables, more freight car stuff...more snow?
Tell me what makes *this* show special.
Shawn:

You are more apt to find good stuff here than anywhere else. Do you remember 30 years ago when you used to attend shows and there was always "good junk" to be found? Well, it's at this show more than anywhere else. It is also attended by a large number of good manufacturers and historical societies. You probably have a good idea what I like and I find this better than any other show, including the NTS at the NMRA.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: The Springfield Show

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Beckert, Shawn wrote:
Bob Webber, have you been to this one? It would take a lot to get
me to fly clear across the country just to freeze my behind off.

Shawn Beckert, nice and (really) toasty in Burbank...
It's a shorter flight to Chicago, and though nearly as far to fly to Florida as Massachusetts, the January weather differs a tad. Bob's Photos has always been at both. Your call, Shawn <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Solid, Roller & Friction Bearing Journals

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I wrote:
The roller bearing was indeed not really applied to railroad
practice until the 1920s but was a known principle much earlier in
mechanical design, as Paul has discovered. There was a roller bearing
arch-bar truck introduced in the 1920s (for a photo, see Hendrickson's
article in RP CYC 4).
I forgot to mention that by the 1928 Cyclopedia, there were passenger roller bearing trucks shown (for PRR and SP) but at that time, no freight trucks with such bearings.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


The Springfield Show

Shawn Beckert
 

Okay,

More than a few people here have said the Springfield show is
"the best bar none". I have yet to hear the reason why. What's
the attraction - more tables, more freight car stuff...more snow?
Tell me what makes *this* show special.

Bob Webber, have you been to this one? It would take a lot to get
me to fly clear across the country just to freeze my behind off.

Shawn Beckert, nice and (really) toasty in Burbank...


Springfield, was Bob's Photos

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

Springfield is the biggest, I'm not sure if "the best" applies. It's the pits to park at, it is the pits to try to walk around at, and you have to have sharpened elbows and you have to tune your ears out for the cacophony of the tinplate bells and whistles.

Having said that, there are benefits to going. There are a lot of photo dealers, and a lot of good resin and other kit dealers. Once in the buildings, the weather is not a factor - the weather, actually, is only a factor waiting for the thing to open - and going between the car and the buildings. Having grown up in Northern California and having lived in Texas and now living in Illinois, I can tell you Texas weather was far worse than either of the other two. Both winter and summer.

But, if you haven't "done" Springfield you really owe it to yourself to do it once or twice. It is a phenomenon that can't be imagined otherwise. Come fortified with good shoes, a happy face and sharp elbows and you can survive the two days....

At 12:35 PM 8/25/2005, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On Aug 24, 2005, at 11:47 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Aug 24, 2005, at 8:35 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Springfield Massachusetts, Tony... in January. Bob has several hundred
books, and chairs to sit on. And there are other excellent photo
dealers
there too.
Springfield, Mass. in January? When Cocoa Beach, Fla. is an
alternative? Give me, as we say, a break. The Springfield meet is all
very well for those who already live in the area, but I spent three
winters in New England once and I ain't goin' back.
Richard:

I'll agree with your assessment of the weather, but it is the best
train show in the country, bar none. Now, if you have everything you
need, as you do or are close to, then Cocoa Beach is a far better
alternative. I'll be at both.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912
Bob Webber


Cocoa Beach...Prototype Rails...2006

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Well...it's that time of year again. I usually begin powering up Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach, FL, at about this time of the year. And, since there have been a few comments about it, now's as good a time as any to give a status report.

First, the meet will begin on Thursday, Jan 5, with op sessions at various home layouts, including my own. As of now, I don't know the number.

Second, there will be the usual Thursday evening dinner at 7PM.

Third, we'll begin activities at the hotel on Friday morning...probably at 10 AM. These activities will go until midnight. We'll start again on Sat at 9AM and go again until midnight. There will be a dinner dedicated to attendies on Sat evening at around 5 PM. Activities will continue until midnight. On Sunday, various layouts will be open.

We'll have about 45 different clinics/presentations. In addition, there will be several on going modeling demonstrations including some hands on efforts. We'll be emphasizing manufacturers and vendors that are associated with prototype modeling...such as Bob's Photos.

We will also emphasize small diorama displays and I've seen three recently which will be here that are astonishing.

I also want to give a pleasant update on the hotel. I was there yesterday, and can report that the Hilton has put $25 million into rennovations...some due to the hurricanes, some just due. I was very impressed. There are now 4 inside restaurants and one outside. Perhaps more importantly...for this group <G>...there are two bars...one inside, one outside. All sleeping rooms are new and all have floor to ceiling windows. We will have 4 rooms for presentations on the ground floor with another two available if we choose to take them.

As many may know, I've always been very happy with the support from the hotel's staff and can report that during my tour yesterday, nothing has changed in that regard. It was like going home.

Now...as far as the weather goes, I leave that to the individual. If you prefer to be frozen solid when outside, Cocoa Beach is probably not where you want to be. I mean, if you're looking for a high winter misery index you might want to choose Buffalo or Tareja, Russia...although neither place is particularly noted for its prototype modeling meet. If you prefer gentle breezes and 70�, then Cocoa Beach in Jan is the place for you. Note the outside restaurant and bar. Last yr, in fact, the dinner was held outside. What's a coat?

I'll be providing more details shortly.

Mike Brock


Re: Bob's photos

Dave Owens
 

You chicken littles are depriving yourselves of the finest train show
in the country. A little snow, a little ice, no problem.

Dave Owens


Re: Bob's photos

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jeez Tony, you West Coast types really are wimps... :>)
Like Richard, I did my time in New England going to graduate school. I've never since missed those winters in any way, shape or form and certainly have no interest in doing it again. There's a number of reasons I choose to live in California and weather is one of them.

Now, having said all that - See you at the pool bar in Cocoa Beach!
Especially if the outdoor bar is working this year <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Accurate Paint Schemes on the Accurail 40' Wood Boxcars?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ben Hom wrote:
Most of these paint schemes are based on USRA SS boxcars, which these
kits do not accurately represent. Some are based on similar cars but
are lower in height. A few schemes are completely bogus.
USRA SS Boxcars or close copies: 4301 SP, 4303 CNW, 4304 PRR, 4305 NYC,
4306 B&O, 4308 CP, 4309 Erie, 4311 NYC, 4313 WM, 4314 N&W, 4315
Clinchfield, 4316 AA, 4317 D&H, 4502 PRR, 4505 RDG, 4508 CG (believe
this is actually GA)
The SP paint scheme on #4301 is for a B-50-14 box car with Z-bar bracing, NOT a USRA car. As Ben says, there is some general appearance similarity, but many discrepancies, including dimensions. I would call the model a stand-in for the SP B-50-14 cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: dutch drop

Roger Parry <uncleroger@...>
 

I have also herd this called a "flying switch" or a "Chinese switch"

On Aug 25, 2005, at 12:47 PM, ljack70117@adelphia.net wrote:


On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 12:39 PM, Clyde Williams wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jones III" <tomtherailnut@c...>
wrote:
The Dutch drop was to get the car from the north end of the engine
to the
south end (for example), but without a run-around. So, the moving
car was
allowed to roll past the locomotive that has run away from the
rolling car,
stopped, reversed, thrown the switch, and run into what was a
trailing point
switch. The switch is then thrown again and the car rolls past,
putting the
car at the other end of the locomotive. The locomotive now throws
the
switch, runs out of the spur, catches the rolling boxcar (or the
brakeman
has stopped it), and the train reassembled.

As for why - if there is switching to be done, and there is no way
to get

My impression of the Dutch Drop was that, to get a car into a facing
point spur, the engine sped up and then the car to be dropped was
uncoupled. then the engine sped up even more and as it passed the
switch the points were thrown and the car rolled into the spur.
This is a drop not dutch drop.

A dutch drop can be done as I did one when I was a switchman on John
Santa Fe in Emporia Ks. Missed our engine by about 3 feet. Using a alco
S4. It is very dangerous to do. Never did an other one.


Getting the engine far enough ahead of the car to stop, back into a
trailing point spur (assuming there was one handy) and throw the
switch back would seem impossible, as well as even more dangerous, to
do.
Bill Williams
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@adelphia.net
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ed_mines
 

I heard the same complaint about scanning from a man who used to
offer prints from copy negatives from the ACF collection - he had a
100 page catalog of negatives.

The solution is simple - a policy of no returns.

I've always kept photos that I was unhappy with because I wanted the
seller to continue to do business with me. Ditto for merchandise
bought from basement hobby shop operators. At any time the seller
could cut me off.

Some of the guys selling prints (and Sunshine Models) are very slow
to respond. These sellers are not desparate for business.

I think Bob would make more money if he sold prints through the mail
in addition to the shows - there's very little additional expense to
what he has now - the cost of clerk to maintain a list, pick photos
and send them out. He doesn't bring all photos to all shows anyway
and many of his show customers limit their purchase to the amount of
money they have in their pocket.

Ed


Re: Bob's photos

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

branchline@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Jeez Tony, you West Coast types really are wimps... :>)

In fact, its not a real Springfield show if it doesn't snow at least one
day... A few years back we had a blizzard the first morning of Springfield.
We showed up early to set up the booth and were greeted by a long line of
hearty New England model railroaders waiting two hours or more outside - in
the blinding snow - to get in! Now them's real model railroaders! Think I
even saw Tim in that line....
This Tim is a bit wiser - stay in the car with a mug of coffee until just before the doors open. Also, bring a broom to sweep the snow away when leaving.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Solid, Roller & Friction Bearing Journals

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Paul Hillman wrote:
Throughout this long 675 page text, I have yet to find the
term "solid bearing". (But I'm not finished reading yet!) The only
terms found are "bearing-friction", "ordinary-journals" and "journal-
friction".
The normal term in that period was "journal bearing," which of course refers to the journal on which the bearing rests, and there was no need to distinguish between different kinds of them in service.

An interesting point though is the discussion in 1903 of, "Roller
Journals". Until now one might think that "Timken", et al, had
invented the roller-bearing in the '30's or '40's, but these old
boys were working on it like 30+ years earlier??
The roller bearing was indeed not really applied to railroad practice until the 1920s but was a known principle much earlier in mechanical design, as Paul has discovered. There was a roller bearing arch-bar truck introduced in the 1920s (for a photo, see Hendrickson's article in RP CYC 4).

I would think that the RR men knew what terms they'd chosen to use correctly.
A reasonable supposition but one with many contrary examples.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Bob's photos

branchline@...
 

Jeez Tony, you West Coast types really are wimps... :>)

In fact, its not a real Springfield show if it doesn't snow at least one day... A few years back we had a blizzard the first morning of Springfield. We showed up early to set up the booth and were greeted by a long line of hearty New England model railroaders waiting two hours or more outside - in the blinding snow - to get in! Now them's real model railroaders! Think I even saw Tim in that line....

Now, having said all that - See you at the pool bar in Cocoa Beach!

Bill Schneider

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Springfield Massachusetts, Tony... in January.
In January. You ARE kidding.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: dutch drop

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Thomas M. Olsen wrote:
In the many times that I witnessed this move, they never had
a derailment or a "run in" with the equipment . . . The crews that I
worked with as an operator, all had worked with each other for a long
time and had a lot of experience in making this type of movement.
Well said, Tom. I have heard the same of experienced crews elsewhere. The fact that the move is obviously dangerous and can go wrong, does NOT mean it went wrong all the time.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Bob's photos

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Springfield Massachusetts, Tony... in January.
In January. You ARE kidding.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: H.K. Vollrath address

Ed Hawkins
 

On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 06:45 AM, cr6485 wrote:

In searching the archives of this list, I found that Richard
Hendrickson posted the following "last known good address" for H.K.
Vollrath.  Can anyone confirm this is still correct?  Is there a phone
number?

H.K. Vollrath
1000 West
97th Terrace, Kansas City, MO 64114
Keith,
This is a good address for Mr. Vollrath. His phone no. is 816-942-3423,
listed at www.switchboard.com.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



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