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Re: The Springfield Show

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Armand,

Two corrections - attendance is over 10,000 per day; the show is held in
three buildings now. Besides being a mecca for out-of-town modelers, the
Show is also THE EVENT for the locals and their kids to attend that
weekend. For the serious, its best to arrive before the local mob
arrives - about 11 on Saturday and noon after church on Sunday. Also,
leave well before the Show closes each day before the traffic jams up
exiting through one gate.

Tim Gilbert

armand wrote:

Shawn.One should not try to compare a Prototype Modeler's Meet.The
Springfield Show is without question a great experience.You should plan to
attend two days.The crowds are so large that at times it is difficult
to get
near a dealer's booth.Three or four deep at times.There is something for
everyone.All scales are present.Upwards to two thousand people attend the
two day event.The show is housed in two(at last count)buildings.
A Prototype Modeler's meet has a more narrow focus.The seminars are super
with presentations by some of the best modelers in the country.A real
learning experience.There is an opportunity to ask questions and exchange
ideas.You are bound to meet someone who shares something in common. The
emphasis is on prototype modeling with fewer vendors present.You will
have
a choice to attend several presentations as well as seeing displays of
excellent modeling.
It is your choice.It all depends what you are looking for or expect
gain.Hope this helps.Armand Premo
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Subject: [STMFC] The Springfield Show


Okay,

More than a few people here have said the Springfield show is
"the best bar none". I have yet to hear the reason why. What's
the attraction - more tables, more freight car stuff...more snow?
Tell me what makes *this* show special.

Bob Webber, have you been to this one? It would take a lot to get
me to fly clear across the country just to freeze my behind off.

Shawn Beckert, nice and (really) toasty in Burbank...




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Re: The Springfield Show

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Tim,

You didn't let them loose at the mexican cantina on Rt. 5 did you?

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] The Springfield Show



>> More than a few people here have said the Springfield show is
>> "the best bar none". I have yet to hear the reason why. What's
>> the attraction


Resin vendors: F&C, Sylvan, even Al Westerfield came once...
and specialty resin producers like West Shore, etc

Brass importers: Overland, Coach Yard, River Raisin, Key, MTS,
Railworks, Rail Classics... and brass dealers large and small

Manufacturers: Athearn, Atlas, MDC (pathetic display last year
across from the Athearn mega-display. Hmmmm...), Intermountain,
Branchline, AMB, Tichy, Stewart, City Classics, many specialty
vendors of structures, scenery, bunches of S and O scale vendors
plus Chooch (including Ultra Scale!), all major DCC vendors

Photo & Paper dealers: Many, including Bob's entire collection
(you can easily spend the whole show at Bob's if only the money
would hold out)

Layouts: dozens, literally, including the Amherst Society which
is about 100 modules including a giant, highly detailed hump yard
and modern passenger terminal. And an unbelievable O scale double
track loop with 100+ car trains of mostly O scale brass -- it has
to be seen! How often do you see an O scale GN 2-6-8-0 or a sextet
of beautifully weathered O scale hi tech diesels pulling huge
strings of equally fine freight cars?

Clubs & Societies: many

And 20,000 paying visitors, typically. Even in snowstorms! You'll
meet and talk with dozens of people you know from this list, from
Naperville, from all over the country... It's a gas. Honestly. I
enjoy Cocoa Beach, but it's really a scaled down Naperville, while
Springfield is like nothing else except maybe the NMRA convention
but without the politics.

And the NIGHT LIFE! Well, Al Welch and John Riddell can tell you
all about that. Hoo-ah!

Tim O'Connor




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Re: Winter (was Bob's photos)

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

englishintroy wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "armand" <armprem@s...> wrote:
the disadvantages of spending the rest of the winter there,Cocoa
Beach wins in a heartbeat
That's my point, Armand; I'm very tired of the de facto assumption that
winter is "bad" and to be avoided. The more this attitude is put
forth, the more vehemently I will resist. Viva la Northeast!
If you can't complain about the weather, then you will be forced to
complain about something you can do something to solve.

Tim Gilbert


Re: (OT) RPI Website

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Darren,

There are times it takes 48 hours for them to process you subscription, hang in there, they will get to you.

Fred Freitas

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Re: Cocoa Beach-Springfield

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Mike,

You nailed it. Neither is like the other, so one needs to choose, or attend both !!!

Fred Freitas

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:34 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach-Springfield


>From various comments...tinplate whistles...whatever they are...and a
comparison to the NTS, and Ted Culotta's comment about Springfield:

"You are more apt to find good stuff here than anywhere else. Do you
remember 30 years ago when you used to attend shows and there was
always "good junk" to be found? Well, it's at this show more than
anywhere else."

I gather that Springfield is a "train show". To be sure, Prototype Rails at
Cocoa Beach is not. While we do try to have manufacturers present and even a
few vendors...including photo guys...Cocoa Beach is a prototype modeling
meet in which the emphasis is on the study of the prototype AND how to model
it. It is true that resin manufacturers [ obviously, they also sell ] will
be present along with other manufacturers that concentrate on the
prototype...like Branchline.

Given that, comparing events like Springfield to that at Cocoa Beach is like
comparing the west coast to the east coast. Both have coast lines.

Mike Brock




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Re: The Springfield Show

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Shawn,

One hint-------you can get unadvertised, and unimaginable discounts at this show. No one wants to haul it home again!! Z to G, and once a live steam dealer; so it appeals to a lot of modelers.
Last Feb I walked out with Red Caboose kits for $8.00 new, IM kits for $12.00. No complaints from me. In to DCC? Two crews install onsite while you wait---and reasonable too.
Old, rare, & obscure brass at decent prices show up every year; first come first happy!! Just to mention a few----

Fred Freitas

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Subject: [STMFC] The Springfield Show


Okay,

More than a few people here have said the Springfield show is
"the best bar none". I have yet to hear the reason why. What's
the attraction - more tables, more freight car stuff...more snow?
Tell me what makes *this* show special.

Bob Webber, have you been to this one? It would take a lot to get
me to fly clear across the country just to freeze my behind off.

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Re: Bob's photos

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Dave,

Let's not tell them how many of us drive 4x4's to have room to haul all the stuff home in the snow.

Fred Freitas
at home in the snow in Vermont

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You chicken littles are depriving yourselves of the finest train show
in the country. A little snow, a little ice, no problem.

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Re: Accurate Paint Schemes on the Accurail 40' Wood Boxcars?

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
"The SP paint scheme on #4301 is for a B-50-14 box car with Z-bar
bracing, NOT a USRA car. As Ben says, there is some general appearance
similarity, but many discrepancies, including dimensions. I would call
the model a stand-in for the SP B-50-14 cars."

Tony, thanks for the assist - wasn't sure if the model was masquerading as a
B-50-12 or B-50-14.


Ben Hom


Re: The Springfield Show

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Yes, Patricia and I attended once. The show was great. However, we got caught in a blizzard and the next day the temp went down to 10 below. All the cans of soda in the car burst. With a 4-day turnaround for us we're almost sure to get caught in bad weather so we've never gone again, even though we have a standing invitation. - Al


Re: The Springfield Show

armprem
 

Shawn.One should not try to compare a Prototype Modeler's Meet.The
Springfield Show is without question a great experience.You should plan to
attend two days.The crowds are so large that at times it is difficult to get
near a dealer's booth.Three or four deep at times.There is something for
everyone.All scales are present.Upwards to two thousand people attend the
two day event.The show is housed in two(at last count)buildings.
A Prototype Modeler's meet has a more narrow focus.The seminars are super
with presentations by some of the best modelers in the country.A real
learning experience.There is an opportunity to ask questions and exchange
ideas.You are bound to meet someone who shares something in common. The
emphasis is on prototype modeling with fewer vendors present.You will have
a choice to attend several presentations as well as seeing displays of
excellent modeling.
It is your choice.It all depends what you are looking for or expect
gain.Hope this helps.Armand Premo

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To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] The Springfield Show


Okay,

More than a few people here have said the Springfield show is
"the best bar none". I have yet to hear the reason why. What's
the attraction - more tables, more freight car stuff...more snow?
Tell me what makes *this* show special.

Bob Webber, have you been to this one? It would take a lot to get
me to fly clear across the country just to freeze my behind off.

Shawn Beckert, nice and (really) toasty in Burbank...




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Re: Winter (was Bob's photos)

Jeff English
 

--- In STMFC@..., "armand" <armprem@s...> wrote:
the disadvantages of spending the rest of the winter there,Cocoa
Beach wins in a heartbeat
That's my point, Armand; I'm very tired of the de facto assumption that
winter is "bad" and to be avoided. The more this attitude is put
forth, the more vehemently I will resist. Viva la Northeast!

Jeff English
Troy, New York


Re: Other Dealers, was Bob's Photos

Tim O'Connor
 

I would add Richard Burg, Bob Lorenz, at Naperville. I have
M.D. McCarter photos too but got them 2nd hand. Some of the
finest small collections I have seen of SP equipment (including
very rare stuff like wooden passenger cars) have been purchased
at train shows here in New England. It's not by accident that
Bob got started here -- there was a high density of very good
photographers in the Northeast.

Some I have used are:
============================================================
Keith Sirman keith.sirman at sympatico dot ca
Jim Shaw <mailto:wjshaw@...>wjshaw at msn dot com
J. Michael Gruber Portage WI 53901 Mainline Photos
J.R. Quinn Worcester NY 12197
Bob Liljestrand
Don Gruber North Aurora IL 60542-0122 Railroad Photographs
Stan Kistler Grass Valley CA 95945 Historical Railroad Photo
John A Rehor Lovettesville VA 22080-9402 Beech Grove Photo
John C. La Rue, Jr. Bonita Springs FL
Bruce Maxwell John Maxwell Collections http://www.colong.com/
Tom Klinger
Norm Metcalf
Jay Williams
William A. Raia
Jim Ehrenberger
============================================================
Bob Webber


Springfield

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

I think the best way to describe Springfield is a two day amalgam of shows - take a large GATS (like the Wheaton show used to be, 4 buildings (yeah, in Illinois, we used to have one monthly, now it's a Greenburg and it's going down hill fast); take a RPM subtracting the clinics (although Springfield DOES have hands on demos); add a railroadania show, add a collectors meet; add a NMRA train show portion; ensure that there are 10-15 HS and maybe 5 brass importers (I think maybe more now that I think of it); and perhaps 20-25 manufacturers; and perhaps 20-30 discount hobby emporiums; 5-10 photo dealers; and then add 10-20 small in-house manufacturers of stuff you'd never see "the big guys" make: and stir for about six months. Add 20K+ people, nice balmy weather; and an Amtrak stop in town and you have yourself some fun.

It's something you have to do if you ever thought the NMRA train show was too tame or too "corporate" or too structured. It's something you have to do if you want to see everything made at one place - think the Detroit or Chicago Auto show for model trains.

Every time I've gone I've come back with enough photos (of D&RGW material) to make it worth my while. Every time I've gone I've needed the extra bag I've brought. My only real problem with it is the timing is so close to the Sn3 Symposium - and this year THAT is in Seattle. Now going to Springfield from Chicago is no big deal, but going from there to Seattle having been to Cocoa Beach means that all I have to do is go to San Diego in between all that to be judged clinically insane. Which I grant you is not that much of a leap.

No, Springfield should not be compared to Cocoa Beach or Naperville. It should be more compared to a GATs or a NMRA train show - or perhaps the two together. The only thing is - you *can* obtain the photos there (in Springfield), the kits there and the detail parts there - and in many cases - *only* there (due to it being close to the source, people bring their entire inventory there).

At 04:03 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote:

Mike Brock wrote:
I gather that Springfield is a "train show". To be sure, Prototype
Rails at
Cocoa Beach is not.
Excellent point, and the same comparison can be made between
Naperville and a train show. Personally, the "train show" (without the
tinplate) that does the most for me as a westerner is Winterail, but
that's another topic. As for Naperville vs. Cocoa vs. Springfield, I've
been voting with my feet for some years and expect to continue to do
so.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Bob Webber


Re: Bob's photos

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Springfield Massachusetts, Tony... in January.
In January. You ARE kidding.
Tony

If there were cab forwards on Donner this winter, I would
be there... Too much sunshine is bad for your brain! And
who wants to play with trains in the basement if the sun
is shining and it's warm outside? Gimme ice and snow, that's
the ticket.

Tim O.


Re: The Springfield Show

Tim O'Connor
 

More than a few people here have said the Springfield show is
"the best bar none". I have yet to hear the reason why. What's
the attraction

Resin vendors: F&C, Sylvan, even Al Westerfield came once...
and specialty resin producers like West Shore, etc

Brass importers: Overland, Coach Yard, River Raisin, Key, MTS,
Railworks, Rail Classics... and brass dealers large and small

Manufacturers: Athearn, Atlas, MDC (pathetic display last year
across from the Athearn mega-display. Hmmmm...), Intermountain,
Branchline, AMB, Tichy, Stewart, City Classics, many specialty
vendors of structures, scenery, bunches of S and O scale vendors
plus Chooch (including Ultra Scale!), all major DCC vendors

Photo & Paper dealers: Many, including Bob's entire collection
(you can easily spend the whole show at Bob's if only the money
would hold out)

Layouts: dozens, literally, including the Amherst Society which
is about 100 modules including a giant, highly detailed hump yard
and modern passenger terminal. And an unbelievable O scale double
track loop with 100+ car trains of mostly O scale brass -- it has
to be seen! How often do you see an O scale GN 2-6-8-0 or a sextet
of beautifully weathered O scale hi tech diesels pulling huge
strings of equally fine freight cars?

Clubs & Societies: many

And 20,000 paying visitors, typically. Even in snowstorms! You'll
meet and talk with dozens of people you know from this list, from
Naperville, from all over the country... It's a gas. Honestly. I
enjoy Cocoa Beach, but it's really a scaled down Naperville, while
Springfield is like nothing else except maybe the NMRA convention
but without the politics.

And the NIGHT LIFE! Well, Al Welch and John Riddell can tell you
all about that. Hoo-ah!

Tim O'Connor


Re: dutch drop

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

Group,

In simple terms, a drop is when the engine and car or cars go in the
same direction during the entire move. A "Dutch drop" is when the
engine changes directions to get in the clear, during the move. On
the IC we just used the term "drop" for either move. Usually the
dutch drop was made where gravity would lend a helping hand with a
slight grade. Often the brakes could be released on a car or cars,
and they would roll by the engine, unassisted. We generally would
give the cars an easy kick uphill, put the engine in the clear, and
wait for the cars to stop and roll back downhill past the engine. I
was still making this move several times a week, 41 years past the
time frame of this group.

Chet French
Dixon,IL





--- In STMFC@..., ljack70117@a... wrote:

On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 12:39 PM, Clyde Williams wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Tom Jones III" <tomtherailnut@c...>
wrote:
The Dutch drop was to get the car from the north end of the
engine
to the
south end (for example), but without a run-around. So, the moving
car was
allowed to roll past the locomotive that has run away from the
rolling car,
stopped, reversed, thrown the switch, and run into what was a
trailing point
switch. The switch is then thrown again and the car rolls past,
putting the
car at the other end of the locomotive. The locomotive now throws
the
switch, runs out of the spur, catches the rolling boxcar (or the
brakeman
has stopped it), and the train reassembled.

As for why - if there is switching to be done, and there is no
way
to get

My impression of the Dutch Drop was that, to get a car into a
facing
point spur, the engine sped up and then the car to be dropped was
uncoupled. then the engine sped up even more and as it passed the
switch the points were thrown and the car rolled into the spur.
This is a drop not dutch drop.

A dutch drop can be done as I did one when I was a switchman on
John
Santa Fe in Emporia Ks. Missed our engine by about 3 feet. Using a
alco
S4. It is very dangerous to do. Never did an other one.


Getting the engine far enough ahead of the car to stop, back into
a
trailing point spur (assuming there was one handy) and throw the
switch back would seem impossible, as well as even more
dangerous, to
do.
Bill Williams
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@a...
You can't have everything. Where would you put it?


(OT) RPI Website

Darren Plants <dplants@...>
 

My apologies for the off topic post, but I need your help. I
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Thanks
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Re: Springfield, was Bob's Photos

Spen Kellogg <spenkell@...>
 

Bob Webber wrote:

Springfield is the biggest, I'm not sure if "the best" applies. It's the pits to park at,
That's putting it nicely. They charge for the parking ($6.00 I think) and if you leave at 5:00 when the show closes on Saturday it could take up to 45 minutes to get out of the parking lot.

But I have been to the last several, and will keep going. It's a chance to meet west coast and mid-west manufacturers, see what's new, find bargains the equivalent of mail order prices, look for detailing parts, etc. Definitely worth the hassle and the weather, if travel costs and time are not too high.

Regards, Spen Kellogg


Re: Cocoa Beach-Springfield

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Mike, I think Ted was comparing Springfield to other train shows, not Cocoa
Beach. At least that is how I read it.

Brian Carlson

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:34:55 -0400, Mike Brock wrote
From various comments...tinplate whistles...whatever they are...and a
comparison to the NTS, and Ted Culotta's comment about Springfield:

"You are more apt to find good stuff here than anywhere else. Do you
remember 30 years ago when you used to attend shows and there was
always "good junk" to be found? Well, it's at this show more than
anywhere else."

I gather that Springfield is a "train show". To be sure, Prototype
Rails at Cocoa Beach is not. While we do try to have manufacturers
present and even a few vendors...including photo guys...Cocoa Beach
is a prototype modeling meet in which the emphasis is on the study
of the prototype AND how to model it. It is true that resin
manufacturers [ obviously, they also sell ] will be present along
with other manufacturers that concentrate on the prototype...like
Branchline.

Given that, comparing events like Springfield to that at Cocoa Beach
is like comparing the west coast to the east coast. Both have coast lines.

Mike Brock

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Re: Cocoa Beach-Springfield

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mike Brock wrote:
I gather that Springfield is a "train show". To be sure, Prototype Rails at
Cocoa Beach is not.
Excellent point, and the same comparison can be made between Naperville and a train show. Personally, the "train show" (without the tinplate) that does the most for me as a westerner is Winterail, but that's another topic. As for Naperville vs. Cocoa vs. Springfield, I've been voting with my feet for some years and expect to continue to do so.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history