Re: Freightcar List/Richard Hosker Gone?
hungry_valley
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Helm" <delta-p@w...> wrote:
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "hungry_valley" <hungry_valley@y...>This archive also has a nice search feature.Looks like the list was down for a while for maintenance. I'm sure glad it hadn't gone away. I was looking at an item on Ebay and wanted to search a question I had. No panic; just concern for an invaluable resource.
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Re: AC&Y YELLOW BOXCAR PAINT SCEME
The 1963 PS-1 photo shows a USRE label on the car side. Whether
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this was part of some sale/leaseback scheme I don't know, but I think a lot of USRE cars were on lease. Anyone know when USRE got into the business? I don't recall ever seeing the logo on any car before 1960, but they were extremely common soon after that.
The ACY was an interesting road. They leased a lot of used equipment
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Re: consist from 1938
Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Tom,
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Two way freight cars are interesting. Regarding CLE and L&R, the January 1938 ORER lists neither reporting mark. The high numbers (CLE #50270) and (L&R #80059), however, may narrow down the options. Was there any reefer having the number of #50270? From a brief scan of the private owner section of the 1/1938 ORER, only FGEX, PFE and URTX had 50270's. Maybe some RR owned a #50270 reefer. Regarding boxcar L&R #80059, the only RR having marks starting with L&_ with as high a number as #80029 was the L&N, and their #80029 was a gondola. Beyond that, I cannot narrow down the possibilities - it looks like you can chalk these up as "unknowns." Tim Gilbert Thomas Baker wrote:
This might interest someone. It is a freight train on the Chicago Great Western on March 15, 1938, operating from Rochester, Minnesota, to McIntire, Iowa, where the cars would be picked up by mainline CGW freights destined for Kansas City, Council Bluffs, or Chicago.
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Re: Freightcar List/Richard Hosker Gone?
Jeff Helm <delta-p@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "hungry_valley" <hungry_valley@y...>
wrote: I used to several years ago subscribe and access the Freightcarslist (snip) There was a great deal of information in that list. I'd hate tothink that it was gone forever.(snip) I just checked and the archive that Richard Hosker maintains for the list is still up, with the last entries showing for August 27th. This archive also has a nice search feature. The link is: http://sunny16.photo.tntech.edu/~richard/Freightcars/archive/0508.html Jeff Helm
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Re: NH Flat Car, was: Re: Tank car search
Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
On Aug 29, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Andreas Kühnpast wrote:
Charlie,We'll be doing the 17200 series which were built at Readville in 1937 using welded underframes from Bethlehem. They will be offered as FM (std flat service) and with the TOFC ramps, tie downs, railings, etc. The FM versions will be available by early November at the latest for the NHRHTA annual meeting. Regards, Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media 645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437 info@speedwitch.com www.speedwitch.com (650) 787-1912
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consist from 1938
Thomas Baker
This might interest someone. It is a freight train on the Chicago Great Western on March 15, 1938, operating from Rochester, Minnesota, to McIntire, Iowa, where the cars would be picked up by mainline CGW freights destined for Kansas City, Council Bluffs, or Chicago.
Engine # 602, a Consolidation with a road tender [most CGW Consols had clear-vision tenders] Caboose # 63 road car number from station to station contents car type CGW 24916 Goodhue Oelwein company materials box ART 17887 Rochester K C empty refrig CGW 10685 Rochester Chicago cattle stock CGW 10613 Rochester Chicago cattle stock MILW 701499 Rochester way freight merchandise box CGW 3763 Goodhue Ostrander company materials [unclear] CLE 50270 Rochester Osage empty refrig [reporting marks unclear] UTLX 22003 Winona Des Moines empty tank DRX 6403 Winona KC empty tank C&NW 129124 Winona Ingalton flour box L&R 80059 Winona Ingalton flour box C&EI 64004 Winona Chicago barley box SRLX 1631 Winona Chicago meat refrig SRLX 18392 Winona Bellewood meat refrig SRLX 19081 Winona Chicago meat refrig C&NW 36488 Winona KC paper box L&R 70340 Winona Omaha paper box WRX 9232 Winona Omaha cheese refrig WRX 10004 Winona Omaha canned goods refrig PHD 1357 Bethany, MN Bellewood empty box FGEX 34642 Winona Randolph, MN empty refrig PM 89161 Winona St. Paul cement box CGW 43048 Winona way frt merchandise box The reporting marks, if I made them out correctly, L&R are unclear to me as are those of the refrigerator car CLE or whatever that is. Anyone have an idea? tom
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Re: Wabash hoppers
Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
Eldon,
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Was thinking along the lines of the 1909 GXL, PRR type with side doors. Have seen as old pix with 1/2 size doors on the side. Was curious if this was one of those, or a repair, which will look great on a model. Fred Fritas
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From: Gatwood, Elden To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers Fred; It looks like a hopper with two-piece sides, like the N&W H-2A hoppers that were done up that way. The car appears to have been shoveled partially out, perhaps to clear it for the re-railing/other operations to come. You can see the centersill through the remaining load on the floor. Nevertheless, your comment about the door is still valid. I do not know of any eastern gons that had these in the latter half of the 20th century. All the ones I know of had doors in the floor, and most of these were eliminated before WWII, probably as the reasons for their use (customers with limited unloading means) went by the wayside. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred in Vt. Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:28 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers Tim, Might I try another question from this photo. The car in the center, which I take to be a gondola has some odd looking oblong cutouts / patches on the lower right side. Are these in fact patch works, or some type of side door outline? Have seen many types of gonds with small side doors on eastern lines, and would like to model a few. This one in the photo intrigues me. Anyone care to venture an answer? Fred Freitas ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim O'Connor To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers A wreck photo from Decatur IL in 1950, showing a panel-side Wabash hopper. But look: it appears that the interior of the car is made smooth by wood sheathing! Any seen this before or have an explanation? http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/wab-decyd-ajg.jpg Tim O'Connor SPONSORED LINKS Train travel Freight car Canada train travel Train travel in italy North american ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Pointless Hobby Item of the Day...
Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
Eric,
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Have idea for corporate fulfillment. Please contact OFF list. Fred Freitas pennsy@sover.net
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From: Eric To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:30 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pointless Hobby Item of the Day... I'm looking for investors/partners to form a model railroad business to offer a kit for a kosher pork and sausage manufacturing plant and billboard reefers to go with it. I haven't seen any models for such kits out there, so the market's wide open. :-) Eric Petersson Scott Pitzer wrote: "Does that go higher on the Pointless List than the laser cut wood running boards for a 40' PS-1? (I believe that came from AMB.)" ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: PFE R-30-16
Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
Schuyler,
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Thanks for the insightful message. One more thing to add to the list. Suppose this will take at least 2 bottles of reefer orange before I'm tired of looking at them !! I believe now. Fred Freitas
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From: Schuyler Larrabee To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] PFE R-30-16 Fred, ever so innocently, asks: You mention the PFE book, do I take it > that my library needs an additon which will answer a lot more > questions on this topic? Oh, Fred, Tony's much too humble to let on . . . http://www.signaturepress.com/pfe.html http://www.signaturepress.com/pfe2.html I think that will let you know. SGL SPONSORED LINKS Train travel Freight car Canada train travel Train travel in italy North american ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Wabash hoppers
Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
Schuyler,
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No doubt the end of more than 1 RR career !! Fred Freitas
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From: Schuyler Larrabee To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers I don't know about an >answer<, but I'll venture a >guess<, Fred. It looks to me like the next car out (past the credit listing) is the same kind of car, but it doesn't have that same detail. I think the small openings at the bottom of the side are a repair of a rusted-out part of the side. This is an interesting arrangement of cars. Not two lines coming together at a switch, but THREE lines. I really wonder what transpired here. SGL > -----Original Message----- > From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Fred in Vt. > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:28 PM > To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers > > Tim, > > Might I try another question from this photo. > The car in the center, which I take to be a gondola has some > odd looking oblong cutouts / patches on the lower right side. > Are these in fact patch works, or some type of side door outline? > Have seen many types of gonds with small side doors > on eastern lines, and would like to model a few. This one in > the photo intrigues me. > Anyone care to venture an answer? > > Fred Freitas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim O'Connor > To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:23 PM > Subject: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers > > > > A wreck photo from Decatur IL in 1950, showing a panel-side > Wabash hopper. But look: it appears that the interior of the > car is made smooth by wood sheathing! Any seen this before or > have an explanation? > > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/wab-decyd-ajg.jpg > > Tim O'Connor > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Train travel Freight car Canada train travel > Train travel in italy North american > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite > Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/9MtolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Rivet Counters Gathering in N. VA on August 27
cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
I had a great time.
It was a small -- very small -- bunch but we had fun and got to know one another a little better. Biggest news of the day?? Ben Hom is starting on a layout that is scheduled to be on a tour in October -- now that's bravery . . . (interesting story, I'll let Ben tell if he chooses ... frankly, Ben, I think your "day at the car shop" would be more interesting, but some folks just have to see a "layout" I guess.) Marty McGuirk
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Re: AC&Y YELLOW BOXCAR PAINT SCEME
Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
Tim,
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Thanks for the help. All of my photos have reweigh dates that do not reflect when the cars were actually painted. I do recall that the boxcar red billboard scheme you mention as well as a blue one with white lettering are well beyond our 1960 limit. The ACY was an interesting road. They leased a lot of used equipment which seemed to turn over about every 5 years. Since they did little if any painting of freight cars themselves, the constant turnover of rolling stock was what kept the paint schemes up to date. Thanks again, Mont Switzer
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:09 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] AC&Y YELLOW BOXCAR PAINT SCEME Does anyone know if this paint scheme was applied to forty foot boxcarsNot to my knowledge, Mont. The only photo I have of a newly painted yellow car is dated 1963. ACY also had a "box car red" version of the billboard scheme but I don't know the exact dates for that either. Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: repeated questions
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Roger Parry wrote (replying to Tom Madden:
AMEN to that, give us the tools!Ah, but then the tool provider gets called "arrogant" and "elitist" for not providing a fully researched, compact and complete answer, preferably within a couple of hours, to the exact question asked. And some of that attitude no doubt stems from the speed and convenience of the Internet, on account of which searching for a book sounds like the Dark Ages. Notice I didn't include "accuracy" of the Internet. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: repeated questions
Roger Parry <uncleroger@...>
AMEN to that, give us the tools!
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On Aug 29, 2005, at 2:22 AM, pullmanboss wrote:
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote:(1) some of the newer members may be able to add information to aOne always hopes that new participants can bring something to the
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Re: Tank car search
There are no exact decals, but I think "3 foot" correct lettering
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for the GATX car is straightforward, and possibly UP can be pieced together from Champ/Microscale sets.
Tim;
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Re: Tank car search
Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
Tim;
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Thank you very much for that lead. By any chance, do you know of anyone that produced decals in HO for these unique cars? Thanks, Elden
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:20 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Tank car search Elden Gatwood wrote ... welded 103B-W acid (rubber-lined) car .. produced by GATC around The Lambert acid tank car has the virtue of having an excellent builder photos in the 1961 CBC, of Union Pacific 68100 (class O-50-7 built 1958, without platform) and GATX 64641 (built 1961, an exact match for the model). Tim O'Connor Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Tank car search
Elden Gatwood wrote
... welded 103B-W acid (rubber-lined) car .. produced by GATC around The Lambert acid tank car has the virtue of having an excellent builder photos in the 1961 CBC, of Union Pacific 68100 (class O-50-7 built 1958, without platform) and GATX 64641 (built 1961, an exact match for the model). Tim O'Connor
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Re: AC&Y YELLOW BOXCAR PAINT SCEME
Does anyone know if this paint scheme was applied to forty foot boxcarsNot to my knowledge, Mont. The only photo I have of a newly painted yellow car is dated 1963. ACY also had a "box car red" version of the billboard scheme but I don't know the exact dates for that either.
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NH Flat Car, was: Re: Tank car search
Andreas Kühnpast <Andreas.Kuehnpast@...>
Charlie,
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Which NH flat car will you be modeling? Thanks! Andreas Kuehnpast (Looking for a kit for the NH 35' 6" flat cars built by PRESSED STEEL in 1902/1903...)
Fred,
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Re: Tank car search
Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
Fred;
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Richard is correct, and the only GATC cars that I am aware of in that capacity that look good are the regular service 103 Drake brass cars, that model a 1930's (?) riveted 8k prototype, not welded, and the welded 103B-W acid (rubber-lined) car (and no, there is no riveted car, either) produced by GATC around 1960-66 at least, done in brass by Lambert. It is an unusual prototype, but then again, what tank car wasn't? The B-W acid cars had the 1% dome (~ 32" diam), with unloading fixtures on top, so you would need to do that important feature in addition to the welded tank and GATC frame. Welded GATC tanks seem to have had a rounder tank end than others. Luckily, the fact that it was a welded car would let you do the dome without a riveted collar, a scratchbuilding exercise not many would want to carry out. Let me know if you are seriously interested in doing one of these cars, and I will get you some more info. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hendrickson Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:16 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank car search On Aug 28, 2005, at 6:15 AM, Fred Freitas wrote: Looking for a match for the GATX ICC, 103B-W 8,000 gal. car.This is a tough one, Fred. The Red Caboose ICC 103-W model represents a 10K gal. car, and I'm not aware of any other models of cars with welded tanks. The best approach, it seems to me, would be to modify an Intermountain 8K gal. AC&F Type 27 model by converting the underframe to represent a post-WW-II GATC underframe and filing and sanding off all the rivets from the tank and dome. Not easy but possible. Richard Hendrickson Yahoo! Groups Links
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