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Re: PFE R-30-16

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Fred in Vt. wrote:
One more thing to add to the list. Suppose this will take at least 2 bottles of reefer orange before I'm tired of looking at them !! I believe now.
For PFE, that will be "Daylight Orange," a much lighter color . . . just FYI.

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photo to analyze

Justin Turpin <birdbiz2003@...>
 

About a week ago there was quite a thread generated by the analysis of a photo on the Library of Congress American Memory photo site. Here is another photo worthy of analysis by the car i.d experts and can help with traffic analysis and layout construction:

page 576 of 1931 National Georaphic has a picture of the huge chemical products from corn plant and plant's railyard for the plant in Pekin Illinois which may still exist. I see ATSF Boxcars, a KCS Reefer or box car pre USRA type , several Side Truss Boxcars, a B & O gon, more than one type of hopper and several Crystal Line tank cars with good modeling details highly visible.


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lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

Which version of this car has now been done in styrene? I have a photo
of MILW 6675 which two 6 foot doors, while MIKW 9440 has a 15 foot door
opening according the ORER.

I looks like there were 500 cars originally in both series.

Bill Welch


Re: Freightcar List/Richard Hosker Gone?

hungry_valley
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Helm" <delta-p@w...> wrote:
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "hungry_valley" <hungry_valley@y...>
wrote:
I used to several years ago subscribe and access the Freightcars
list (snip)
There was a great deal of information in that list. I'd hate to
think
that it was gone forever.
(snip)


I just checked and the archive that Richard Hosker maintains for the
list is still up, with the last entries showing for August 27th.
This
archive also has a nice search feature.
Looks like the list was down for a while for maintenance. I'm sure
glad it hadn't gone away. I was looking at an item on Ebay and wanted
to search a question I had. No panic; just concern for an invaluable
resource.


Re: AC&Y YELLOW BOXCAR PAINT SCEME

Tim O'Connor
 

The 1963 PS-1 photo shows a USRE label on the car side. Whether
this was part of some sale/leaseback scheme I don't know, but I
think a lot of USRE cars were on lease.

Anyone know when USRE got into the business? I don't recall ever
seeing the logo on any car before 1960, but they were extremely
common soon after that.

The ACY was an interesting road. They leased a lot of used equipment
which seemed to turn over about every 5 years. Since they did little if
any painting of freight cars themselves, the constant turnover of
rolling stock was what kept the paint schemes up to date.

Thanks again,
Mont Switzer


Re: consist from 1938

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Tom,

Two way freight cars are interesting.

Regarding CLE and L&R, the January 1938 ORER lists neither reporting mark. The high numbers (CLE #50270) and (L&R #80059), however, may narrow down the options.

Was there any reefer having the number of #50270? From a brief scan of the private owner section of the 1/1938 ORER, only FGEX, PFE and URTX had 50270's. Maybe some RR owned a #50270 reefer.

Regarding boxcar L&R #80059, the only RR having marks starting with L&_ with as high a number as #80029 was the L&N, and their #80029 was a gondola.

Beyond that, I cannot narrow down the possibilities - it looks like you can chalk these up as "unknowns."

Tim Gilbert

Thomas Baker wrote:

This might interest someone. It is a freight train on the Chicago Great Western on March 15, 1938, operating from Rochester, Minnesota, to McIntire, Iowa, where the cars would be picked up by mainline CGW freights destined for Kansas City, Council Bluffs, or Chicago.

Engine # 602, a Consolidation with a road tender [most CGW Consols had clear-vision tenders]
Caboose # 63

road car number from station to station contents car type

CGW 24916 Goodhue Oelwein company materials box
ART 17887 Rochester K C empty refrig CGW 10685 Rochester Chicago cattle stock
CGW 10613 Rochester Chicago cattle stock
MILW 701499 Rochester way freight merchandise box
CGW 3763 Goodhue Ostrander company materials [unclear]
CLE 50270 Rochester Osage empty refrig [reporting marks unclear]
UTLX 22003 Winona Des Moines empty tank
DRX 6403 Winona KC empty tank C&NW 129124 Winona Ingalton flour box
L&R 80059 Winona Ingalton flour box
C&EI 64004 Winona Chicago barley box
SRLX 1631 Winona Chicago meat refrig
SRLX 18392 Winona Bellewood meat refrig
SRLX 19081 Winona Chicago meat refrig
C&NW 36488 Winona KC paper box
L&R 70340 Winona Omaha paper box
WRX 9232 Winona Omaha cheese refrig
WRX 10004 Winona Omaha canned goods refrig
PHD 1357 Bethany, MN Bellewood empty box
FGEX 34642 Winona Randolph, MN empty refrig
PM 89161 Winona St. Paul cement box
CGW 43048 Winona way frt merchandise box

The reporting marks, if I made them out correctly, L&R are unclear to me as are those of the refrigerator car CLE or whatever that is. Anyone have an idea?


Re: Freightcar List/Richard Hosker Gone?

Jeff Helm <delta-p@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "hungry_valley" <hungry_valley@y...>
wrote:
I used to several years ago subscribe and access the Freightcars
list (snip)
There was a great deal of information in that list. I'd hate to
think
that it was gone forever.
(snip)


I just checked and the archive that Richard Hosker maintains for the
list is still up, with the last entries showing for August 27th. This
archive also has a nice search feature.

The link is:
http://sunny16.photo.tntech.edu/~richard/Freightcars/archive/0508.html

Jeff Helm


Re: NH Flat Car, was: Re: Tank car search

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Aug 29, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Andreas Kühnpast wrote:

Charlie,

Which NH flat car will you be modeling?
We'll be doing the 17200 series which were built at Readville in 1937
using welded underframes from Bethlehem. They will be offered as FM
(std flat service) and with the TOFC ramps, tie downs, railings, etc.
The FM versions will be available by early November at the latest for
the NHRHTA annual meeting.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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consist from 1938

Thomas Baker
 

This might interest someone. It is a freight train on the Chicago Great Western on March 15, 1938, operating from Rochester, Minnesota, to McIntire, Iowa, where the cars would be picked up by mainline CGW freights destined for Kansas City, Council Bluffs, or Chicago.

Engine # 602, a Consolidation with a road tender [most CGW Consols had clear-vision tenders]
Caboose # 63

road car number from station to station contents car type

CGW 24916 Goodhue Oelwein company materials box
ART 17887 Rochester K C empty refrig
CGW 10685 Rochester Chicago cattle stock
CGW 10613 Rochester Chicago cattle stock
MILW 701499 Rochester way freight merchandise box
CGW 3763 Goodhue Ostrander company materials [unclear]
CLE 50270 Rochester Osage empty refrig [reporting marks unclear]
UTLX 22003 Winona Des Moines empty tank
DRX 6403 Winona KC empty tank
C&NW 129124 Winona Ingalton flour box
L&R 80059 Winona Ingalton flour box
C&EI 64004 Winona Chicago barley box
SRLX 1631 Winona Chicago meat refrig
SRLX 18392 Winona Bellewood meat refrig
SRLX 19081 Winona Chicago meat refrig
C&NW 36488 Winona KC paper box
L&R 70340 Winona Omaha paper box
WRX 9232 Winona Omaha cheese refrig
WRX 10004 Winona Omaha canned goods refrig
PHD 1357 Bethany, MN Bellewood empty box
FGEX 34642 Winona Randolph, MN empty refrig
PM 89161 Winona St. Paul cement box
CGW 43048 Winona way frt merchandise box

The reporting marks, if I made them out correctly, L&R are unclear to me as are those of the refrigerator car CLE or whatever that is. Anyone have an idea?

tom


Re: Wabash hoppers

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Eldon,

Was thinking along the lines of the 1909 GXL, PRR type with side doors. Have seen as old pix with 1/2 size doors on the side. Was curious if this was one of those, or a repair, which will look great on a model.

Fred Fritas

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers


Fred;
It looks like a hopper with two-piece sides, like the N&W H-2A hoppers
that were done up that way. The car appears to have been shoveled
partially out, perhaps to clear it for the re-railing/other operations
to come. You can see the centersill through the remaining load on the
floor.

Nevertheless, your comment about the door is still valid. I do not know
of any eastern gons that had these in the latter half of the 20th
century. All the ones I know of had doors in the floor, and most of
these were eliminated before WWII, probably as the reasons for their use
(customers with limited unloading means) went by the wayside.

Elden Gatwood

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Fred in Vt.
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:28 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers

Tim,

Might I try another question from this photo.
The car in the center, which I take to be a gondola
has some odd looking oblong cutouts / patches on the lower right side.
Are these in fact patch works, or some type of side door outline?
Have seen many types of gonds with small side doors on eastern
lines, and would like to model a few. This one in the photo intrigues
me.
Anyone care to venture an answer?

Fred Freitas
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From: Tim O'Connor
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers



A wreck photo from Decatur IL in 1950, showing a panel-side
Wabash hopper. But look: it appears that the interior of the
car is made smooth by wood sheathing! Any seen this before or
have an explanation?

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/wab-decyd-ajg.jpg

Tim O'Connor




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Re: Pointless Hobby Item of the Day...

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Eric,

Have idea for corporate fulfillment. Please contact OFF list.

Fred Freitas
pennsy@sover.net

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pointless Hobby Item of the Day...


I'm looking for investors/partners to form a model railroad business to offer a kit for a kosher
pork and sausage manufacturing plant and billboard reefers to go with it. I haven't seen any models
for such kits out there, so the market's wide open. :-)


Eric Petersson




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"Does that go higher on the Pointless List than the laser cut wood running boards for a 40' PS-1?
(I believe that came from AMB.)"


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Re: PFE R-30-16

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Schuyler,

Thanks for the insightful message.
One more thing to add to the list. Suppose this will take at least 2 bottles of reefer orange before I'm tired of looking at them !! I believe now.


Fred Freitas

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Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:41 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] PFE R-30-16


Fred, ever so innocently, asks:

You mention the PFE book, do I take it
> that my library needs an additon which will answer a lot more
> questions on this topic?

Oh, Fred, Tony's much too humble to let on . . .

http://www.signaturepress.com/pfe.html

http://www.signaturepress.com/pfe2.html

I think that will let you know.

SGL



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Re: Wabash hoppers

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Schuyler,

No doubt the end of more than 1 RR career !!

Fred Freitas

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Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers


I don't know about an >answer<, but I'll venture a >guess<, Fred. It looks to me like the next car
out (past the credit listing) is the same kind of car, but it doesn't have that same detail. I
think the small openings at the bottom of the side are a repair of a rusted-out part of the side.

This is an interesting arrangement of cars. Not two lines coming together at a switch, but THREE
lines. I really wonder what transpired here.

SGL

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Fred in Vt.
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:28 PM
> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers
>
> Tim,
>
> Might I try another question from this photo.
> The car in the center, which I take to be a gondola has some
> odd looking oblong cutouts / patches on the lower right side.
> Are these in fact patch works, or some type of side door outline?
> Have seen many types of gonds with small side doors
> on eastern lines, and would like to model a few. This one in
> the photo intrigues me.
> Anyone care to venture an answer?
>
> Fred Freitas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim O'Connor
> To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:23 PM
> Subject: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers
>
>
>
> A wreck photo from Decatur IL in 1950, showing a panel-side
> Wabash hopper. But look: it appears that the interior of the
> car is made smooth by wood sheathing! Any seen this before or
> have an explanation?
>
> http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/wab-decyd-ajg.jpg
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Re: Rivet Counters Gathering in N. VA on August 27

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
 

I had a great time.

It was a small -- very small -- bunch but we had fun and got to know
one another a little better.

Biggest news of the day?? Ben Hom is starting on a layout that is
scheduled to be on a tour in October -- now that's bravery . . .

(interesting story, I'll let Ben tell if he chooses ... frankly, Ben, I
think your "day at the car shop" would be more interesting, but some
folks just have to see a "layout" I guess.)

Marty McGuirk


Re: AC&Y YELLOW BOXCAR PAINT SCEME

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Tim,

Thanks for the help. All of my photos have reweigh dates that do not
reflect when the cars were actually painted.

I do recall that the boxcar red billboard scheme you mention as well as
a blue one with white lettering are well beyond our 1960 limit.

The ACY was an interesting road. They leased a lot of used equipment
which seemed to turn over about every 5 years. Since they did little if
any painting of freight cars themselves, the constant turnover of
rolling stock was what kept the paint schemes up to date.

Thanks again,
Mont Switzer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:09 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] AC&Y YELLOW BOXCAR PAINT SCEME


Does anyone know if this paint scheme was applied to forty foot boxcars
prior to 1960?
Mont Switzer
Not to my knowledge, Mont. The only photo I have of a newly painted
yellow car is dated 1963. ACY also had a "box car red" version of the
billboard scheme but I don't know the exact dates for that either.






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Re: repeated questions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Roger Parry wrote (replying to Tom Madden:
AMEN to that, give us the tools!
Ah, but then the tool provider gets called "arrogant" and "elitist" for not providing a fully researched, compact and complete answer, preferably within a couple of hours, to the exact question asked. And some of that attitude no doubt stems from the speed and convenience of the Internet, on account of which searching for a book sounds like the Dark Ages. Notice I didn't include "accuracy" of the Internet.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: repeated questions

Roger Parry <uncleroger@...>
 

AMEN to that, give us the tools!

On Aug 29, 2005, at 2:22 AM, pullmanboss wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote:
(1) some of the newer members may be able to add information to a
previously discussed subject, and (2) it is difficult to scan the
archives of the group. One might have to scan through many, many
blocks of messages to find an old topic.
One always hopes that new participants can bring something to the
table besides their curiosity. That's how we can all learn. As for
the archives, yes, they are clumsy to work through. But they are a
resource of almost infinite value. If you walked into the library at
the California State RR Museum and asked Ellen when arch bar trucks
were banned from interchange, she would refer you to a group of
books in which you might find the answer. I doubt anyone would be
upset with her for not giving the answer directly. Nor should any
STMFC subscriber be offended when one of the "uppity regulars"
suggests the answer to a common question can be found in the
archives. It's the old "give a man a fish" vs. "teach a man to fish"
proverb. Often it's better to show you the path than to walk it for
you.

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Re: Tank car search

Tim O'Connor
 

There are no exact decals, but I think "3 foot" correct lettering
for the GATX car is straightforward, and possibly UP can be pieced
together from Champ/Microscale sets.

Tim;
Thank you very much for that lead.
By any chance, do you know of anyone that produced decals in HO for
these unique cars?
Thanks,
Elden


Re: Tank car search

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Tim;
Thank you very much for that lead.

By any chance, do you know of anyone that produced decals in HO for
these unique cars?

Thanks,

Elden

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Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:20 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Tank car search

Elden Gatwood wrote

... welded 103B-W acid (rubber-lined) car .. produced by GATC around
1960-66 at least, done in brass by Lambert. It is an unusual prototype,
but then again, what tank car wasn't?

The Lambert acid tank car has the virtue of having an excellent builder
photos in the 1961 CBC, of Union Pacific 68100 (class O-50-7 built 1958,
without platform) and GATX 64641 (built 1961, an exact match for the
model).

Tim O'Connor






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Re: Tank car search

Tim O'Connor
 

Elden Gatwood wrote

... welded 103B-W acid (rubber-lined) car .. produced by GATC around
1960-66 at least, done in brass by Lambert. It is an unusual prototype,
but then again, what tank car wasn't?

The Lambert acid tank car has the virtue of having an excellent builder
photos in the 1961 CBC, of Union Pacific 68100 (class O-50-7 built 1958,
without platform) and GATX 64641 (built 1961, an exact match for the
model).

Tim O'Connor

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