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Re: consist from 1938

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tim and Tom,

How about Louisiana & Arkansas, L&A?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Tim Gilbert wrote:

Tom,

Two way freight cars are interesting.

Regarding CLE and L&R, the January 1938 ORER lists neither reporting mark. The high numbers (CLE #50270) and (L&R #80059), however, may narrow down the options.

Was there any reefer having the number of #50270? From a brief scan of the private owner section of the 1/1938 ORER, only FGEX, PFE and URTX had 50270's. Maybe some RR owned a #50270 reefer.

Regarding boxcar L&R #80059, the only RR having marks starting with L&_ with as high a number as #80029 was the L&N, and their #80029 was a gondola.

Beyond that, I cannot narrow down the possibilities - it looks like you can chalk these up as "unknowns."

Tim Gilbert

Thomas Baker wrote:


This might interest someone. It is a freight train on the Chicago Great Western on March 15, 1938, operating from Rochester, Minnesota, to McIntire, Iowa, where the cars would be picked up by mainline CGW freights destined for Kansas City, Council Bluffs, or Chicago.

Engine # 602, a Consolidation with a road tender [most CGW Consols had clear-vision tenders]
Caboose # 63

road car number from station to station contents car type

CGW 24916 Goodhue Oelwein company materials box
ART 17887 Rochester K C empty refrig CGW 10685 Rochester Chicago cattle stock
CGW 10613 Rochester Chicago cattle stock
MILW 701499 Rochester way freight merchandise box
CGW 3763 Goodhue Ostrander company materials [unclear]
CLE 50270 Rochester Osage empty refrig [reporting marks unclear]
UTLX 22003 Winona Des Moines empty tank
DRX 6403 Winona KC empty tank C&NW 129124 Winona Ingalton flour box
L&R 80059 Winona Ingalton flour box
C&EI 64004 Winona Chicago barley box
SRLX 1631 Winona Chicago meat refrig
SRLX 18392 Winona Bellewood meat refrig
SRLX 19081 Winona Chicago meat refrig
C&NW 36488 Winona KC paper box
L&R 70340 Winona Omaha paper box
WRX 9232 Winona Omaha cheese refrig
WRX 10004 Winona Omaha canned goods refrig
PHD 1357 Bethany, MN Bellewood empty box
FGEX 34642 Winona Randolph, MN empty refrig
PM 89161 Winona St. Paul cement box
CGW 43048 Winona way frt merchandise box

The reporting marks, if I made them out correctly, L&R are unclear to me as are those of the refrigerator car CLE or whatever that is. Anyone have an idea?


Re: Dan Smith's offering of Gerstley Freight Car Slides

Andy Carlson
 

Normally I don't exchange postings on computer viruses
(perhaps from the arrogance gained from owning a Mac),
though Dan did tell me his problems, and it was a
suggestion from me that this was a virus. He explained
a reply off-list about the slides from a STMFC member
had an attachment, which when Dan opened it, the
trouble cascaded into the problems that beset him. I
suspect the sender is himself possessing an infected
computer, and is unaware. Dan told me the member's
name, and it was not one that I recognized.

Best advice is still "don't open attachments from
strangers". Though that may not be enough.....

Poor Dan,
Just joined the computer age and the Steam era group-
hope this doesn't prompt a return to the trogs, Dan
has an awful lot to offer us.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
wrote:

Andy Carlson wrote:
Dan has called me to ask that I post to the STMFC
that
Dan has acquired a virus from a respondent on the
STMFC list. I advised him too late about not
opening
attachments from strangers, now he is fully aware
of
the dangers.
I thought Yahoo stripped off ALL attachments.
If Dan got the
virus from e-mail, I would think it was from someone
not contacting via
the list (though maybe a list MEMBER).

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Re: Dan Smith's offering of Gerstley Freight Car Slides

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Andy Carlson wrote:
Dan has called me to ask that I post to the STMFC that
Dan has acquired a virus from a respondent on the
STMFC list. I advised him too late about not opening
attachments from strangers, now he is fully aware of
the dangers.
I thought Yahoo stripped off ALL attachments. If Dan got the virus from e-mail, I would think it was from someone not contacting via the list (though maybe a list MEMBER).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Decal mystery - RESOLVED- But another problem

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

Thanks for the advice. I removed the old decal with MicroSol and a
cotton swab, cleaned the area of any residue, and used the other
PMcK&Y decal from the set. I was able to get the film to pretty much
dissapear. I don't know what the problem with the first try was, it
does not appear to be a bad batch.
Note the slight change in the subject line: I have another problem
with my Westerfield GN large, front facing goat decal. The large
herald has a wrinkle in it, this is a dual-layer black circle/goat-
and-lettering, and I don't know whether it was the black circle or
white 2nd layer. Anyhow, I pricked a bubble to get it to snug down,
but there appears to be a wrinkle where the bubble used to be. It
may not be worth messing with. It is an extremely large decal,
perhaps larger decals are prone to more problems like this.
Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@w...> wrote:
Dean Payne wrote:
"...I ran into an odd problem. In spite of a coat of Micro Gloss,
using Micro Set when applying the decal, this particular decal is
not "disappearing" like the rest. Is this a bad batch, perhaps?
This is just the road name/number, the rest of the side is from the
previous decal set BUT applied at the same time, using the same
methods, same dish to soak the decals in, etc. There appears to be
a
tan/grey background, even though I applied two or three applications
of Micro Sol in the past few days. I tried pricking little holes to
let any Micro Sol behind the decal. Is this perhaps glue behind
the
decal? I also lettered two other cars the same day, and had no
similar problems. Should I try to remove the offending decal and
start over with the remaining road name/number from the set? Or, am
I likely to have the same problem?"

Try the following:

1. Using distlled water and a cotton swab, gently remove all glue
and decal setting solution residue from the model. (This probably
isn't the cause of your problem, but it's a good habit to acquire.)

2. Your problem is most likely "silvering", though it may have a
yellowish or brownish cast on some decals. This may occur even if
you applied a gloss clearcoat to the model before decaling, and
Micro
Sol is often too weak to deal with it. Prick holes in the decal
and
apply Champ Decal Set or Walthers Solvaset. CAUTION: DO NOT TOUCH
THE DECAL UNTIL DRY. DO NOT USE THESE STRONGER DECAL SOLUTIONS ON
THINFILM DECALS DURING FIRST APPLICATION. Repeat if necessary.


"How does one remove a decal without stripping the whole side?"

3. Apply Champ Decal Set or Walthers Solvaset to the decal.
Moisten
a cotton swab with the setting solution and gently scrub off the
offending decal.

4. If this doesnt work, apply a small amount of abrasive hand gel
to
the decal and gently scrub off. Take care not to scrub through the
paint.

5. If all else fails, rinse away any abrasive, setting solution,
and
decal residue, mask, and repaint.


Ben Hom


Re: Dan Smith's offering of Gerstley Freight Car Slides

Andy Carlson
 

One more bit of info I neglected to pass on. Dan is
still receiving emails, just can't send any out, so
those who wish to contact Dan can still do so.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Dan has called me to ask that I post to the STMFC
that
Dan has acquired a virus from a respondent on the
STMFC list. I advised him too late about not opening
attachments from strangers, now he is fully aware of
the dangers.

Dan has asked me to advise people who have sent him
quires about the slides to be patient, Dan hopes to
fix his computer very soon. He will then reply.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Repeated questions

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

There is a distinct inflectional difference between telling someone "Go look it up!"; and more kindly commenting that "this is a topic that has been discussed many times and you will find it helpful to search the archives". The first is arrogant, the second is instructive.

However, when the answer to the question is simple to begin with and is on the tip of tongue, why not just simply give the answer and move on?

Civil discourse is cheap.

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, California


Re: Milwaukee DD rib side auto cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 29, 2005, at 5:52 PM, lnbill wrote:

Which version of this car has now been done in styrene? I have a photo
of MILW 6675 which two 6 foot doors, while MIKW 9440 has a 15 foot door
opening according the ORER.
Bill, according to the information in the kits plus the photos I have:

6500-6599 (100 cars) were built in 1942 with wood running boards and Universal hand brakes.

6600-6899 (300 cars) were built in 1943-44 with Apex steel running boards and Universal hand brakes.

6900-7099 (200 cars) were built in 1944 with Apex steel running boards and Miner hand brakes.

All the above had 12'5" or 12'6"door openings and are the prototype cars the kit represents.

9000-9499 (500 cars) were built in 1947 and had 15' doors and Evans auto racks.

Richard Hendrickson


Dan Smith's offering of Gerstley Freight Car Slides

Andy Carlson
 

Dan has called me to ask that I post to the STMFC that
Dan has acquired a virus from a respondent on the
STMFC list. I advised him too late about not opening
attachments from strangers, now he is fully aware of
the dangers.

Dan has asked me to advise people who have sent him
quires about the slides to be patient, Dan hopes to
fix his computer very soon. He will then reply.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: PFE R-30-16

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Fred in Vt. wrote:
One more thing to add to the list. Suppose this will take at least 2 bottles of reefer orange before I'm tired of looking at them !! I believe now.
For PFE, that will be "Daylight Orange," a much lighter color . . . just FYI.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


photo to analyze

Justin Turpin <birdbiz2003@...>
 

About a week ago there was quite a thread generated by the analysis of a photo on the Library of Congress American Memory photo site. Here is another photo worthy of analysis by the car i.d experts and can help with traffic analysis and layout construction:

page 576 of 1931 National Georaphic has a picture of the huge chemical products from corn plant and plant's railyard for the plant in Pekin Illinois which may still exist. I see ATSF Boxcars, a KCS Reefer or box car pre USRA type , several Side Truss Boxcars, a B & O gon, more than one type of hopper and several Crystal Line tank cars with good modeling details highly visible.


Sincerely,

Tyler Turpin

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Milwaukee DD rib side auto cars

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

Which version of this car has now been done in styrene? I have a photo
of MILW 6675 which two 6 foot doors, while MIKW 9440 has a 15 foot door
opening according the ORER.

I looks like there were 500 cars originally in both series.

Bill Welch


Re: Freightcar List/Richard Hosker Gone?

hungry_valley
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Helm" <delta-p@w...> wrote:
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "hungry_valley" <hungry_valley@y...>
wrote:
I used to several years ago subscribe and access the Freightcars
list (snip)
There was a great deal of information in that list. I'd hate to
think
that it was gone forever.
(snip)


I just checked and the archive that Richard Hosker maintains for the
list is still up, with the last entries showing for August 27th.
This
archive also has a nice search feature.
Looks like the list was down for a while for maintenance. I'm sure
glad it hadn't gone away. I was looking at an item on Ebay and wanted
to search a question I had. No panic; just concern for an invaluable
resource.


Re: AC&Y YELLOW BOXCAR PAINT SCEME

Tim O'Connor
 

The 1963 PS-1 photo shows a USRE label on the car side. Whether
this was part of some sale/leaseback scheme I don't know, but I
think a lot of USRE cars were on lease.

Anyone know when USRE got into the business? I don't recall ever
seeing the logo on any car before 1960, but they were extremely
common soon after that.

The ACY was an interesting road. They leased a lot of used equipment
which seemed to turn over about every 5 years. Since they did little if
any painting of freight cars themselves, the constant turnover of
rolling stock was what kept the paint schemes up to date.

Thanks again,
Mont Switzer


Re: consist from 1938

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Tom,

Two way freight cars are interesting.

Regarding CLE and L&R, the January 1938 ORER lists neither reporting mark. The high numbers (CLE #50270) and (L&R #80059), however, may narrow down the options.

Was there any reefer having the number of #50270? From a brief scan of the private owner section of the 1/1938 ORER, only FGEX, PFE and URTX had 50270's. Maybe some RR owned a #50270 reefer.

Regarding boxcar L&R #80059, the only RR having marks starting with L&_ with as high a number as #80029 was the L&N, and their #80029 was a gondola.

Beyond that, I cannot narrow down the possibilities - it looks like you can chalk these up as "unknowns."

Tim Gilbert

Thomas Baker wrote:

This might interest someone. It is a freight train on the Chicago Great Western on March 15, 1938, operating from Rochester, Minnesota, to McIntire, Iowa, where the cars would be picked up by mainline CGW freights destined for Kansas City, Council Bluffs, or Chicago.

Engine # 602, a Consolidation with a road tender [most CGW Consols had clear-vision tenders]
Caboose # 63

road car number from station to station contents car type

CGW 24916 Goodhue Oelwein company materials box
ART 17887 Rochester K C empty refrig CGW 10685 Rochester Chicago cattle stock
CGW 10613 Rochester Chicago cattle stock
MILW 701499 Rochester way freight merchandise box
CGW 3763 Goodhue Ostrander company materials [unclear]
CLE 50270 Rochester Osage empty refrig [reporting marks unclear]
UTLX 22003 Winona Des Moines empty tank
DRX 6403 Winona KC empty tank C&NW 129124 Winona Ingalton flour box
L&R 80059 Winona Ingalton flour box
C&EI 64004 Winona Chicago barley box
SRLX 1631 Winona Chicago meat refrig
SRLX 18392 Winona Bellewood meat refrig
SRLX 19081 Winona Chicago meat refrig
C&NW 36488 Winona KC paper box
L&R 70340 Winona Omaha paper box
WRX 9232 Winona Omaha cheese refrig
WRX 10004 Winona Omaha canned goods refrig
PHD 1357 Bethany, MN Bellewood empty box
FGEX 34642 Winona Randolph, MN empty refrig
PM 89161 Winona St. Paul cement box
CGW 43048 Winona way frt merchandise box

The reporting marks, if I made them out correctly, L&R are unclear to me as are those of the refrigerator car CLE or whatever that is. Anyone have an idea?


Re: Freightcar List/Richard Hosker Gone?

Jeff Helm <delta-p@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "hungry_valley" <hungry_valley@y...>
wrote:
I used to several years ago subscribe and access the Freightcars
list (snip)
There was a great deal of information in that list. I'd hate to
think
that it was gone forever.
(snip)


I just checked and the archive that Richard Hosker maintains for the
list is still up, with the last entries showing for August 27th. This
archive also has a nice search feature.

The link is:
http://sunny16.photo.tntech.edu/~richard/Freightcars/archive/0508.html

Jeff Helm


Re: NH Flat Car, was: Re: Tank car search

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Aug 29, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Andreas Kühnpast wrote:

Charlie,

Which NH flat car will you be modeling?
We'll be doing the 17200 series which were built at Readville in 1937
using welded underframes from Bethlehem. They will be offered as FM
(std flat service) and with the TOFC ramps, tie downs, railings, etc.
The FM versions will be available by early November at the latest for
the NHRHTA annual meeting.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


consist from 1938

Thomas Baker
 

This might interest someone. It is a freight train on the Chicago Great Western on March 15, 1938, operating from Rochester, Minnesota, to McIntire, Iowa, where the cars would be picked up by mainline CGW freights destined for Kansas City, Council Bluffs, or Chicago.

Engine # 602, a Consolidation with a road tender [most CGW Consols had clear-vision tenders]
Caboose # 63

road car number from station to station contents car type

CGW 24916 Goodhue Oelwein company materials box
ART 17887 Rochester K C empty refrig
CGW 10685 Rochester Chicago cattle stock
CGW 10613 Rochester Chicago cattle stock
MILW 701499 Rochester way freight merchandise box
CGW 3763 Goodhue Ostrander company materials [unclear]
CLE 50270 Rochester Osage empty refrig [reporting marks unclear]
UTLX 22003 Winona Des Moines empty tank
DRX 6403 Winona KC empty tank
C&NW 129124 Winona Ingalton flour box
L&R 80059 Winona Ingalton flour box
C&EI 64004 Winona Chicago barley box
SRLX 1631 Winona Chicago meat refrig
SRLX 18392 Winona Bellewood meat refrig
SRLX 19081 Winona Chicago meat refrig
C&NW 36488 Winona KC paper box
L&R 70340 Winona Omaha paper box
WRX 9232 Winona Omaha cheese refrig
WRX 10004 Winona Omaha canned goods refrig
PHD 1357 Bethany, MN Bellewood empty box
FGEX 34642 Winona Randolph, MN empty refrig
PM 89161 Winona St. Paul cement box
CGW 43048 Winona way frt merchandise box

The reporting marks, if I made them out correctly, L&R are unclear to me as are those of the refrigerator car CLE or whatever that is. Anyone have an idea?

tom


Re: Wabash hoppers

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Eldon,

Was thinking along the lines of the 1909 GXL, PRR type with side doors. Have seen as old pix with 1/2 size doors on the side. Was curious if this was one of those, or a repair, which will look great on a model.

Fred Fritas

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers


Fred;
It looks like a hopper with two-piece sides, like the N&W H-2A hoppers
that were done up that way. The car appears to have been shoveled
partially out, perhaps to clear it for the re-railing/other operations
to come. You can see the centersill through the remaining load on the
floor.

Nevertheless, your comment about the door is still valid. I do not know
of any eastern gons that had these in the latter half of the 20th
century. All the ones I know of had doors in the floor, and most of
these were eliminated before WWII, probably as the reasons for their use
(customers with limited unloading means) went by the wayside.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Fred in Vt.
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:28 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers

Tim,

Might I try another question from this photo.
The car in the center, which I take to be a gondola
has some odd looking oblong cutouts / patches on the lower right side.
Are these in fact patch works, or some type of side door outline?
Have seen many types of gonds with small side doors on eastern
lines, and would like to model a few. This one in the photo intrigues
me.
Anyone care to venture an answer?

Fred Freitas
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Wabash hoppers



A wreck photo from Decatur IL in 1950, showing a panel-side
Wabash hopper. But look: it appears that the interior of the
car is made smooth by wood sheathing! Any seen this before or
have an explanation?

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/wab-decyd-ajg.jpg

Tim O'Connor




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Re: Pointless Hobby Item of the Day...

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Eric,

Have idea for corporate fulfillment. Please contact OFF list.

Fred Freitas
pennsy@sover.net

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pointless Hobby Item of the Day...


I'm looking for investors/partners to form a model railroad business to offer a kit for a kosher
pork and sausage manufacturing plant and billboard reefers to go with it. I haven't seen any models
for such kits out there, so the market's wide open. :-)


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Re: PFE R-30-16

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Schuyler,

Thanks for the insightful message.
One more thing to add to the list. Suppose this will take at least 2 bottles of reefer orange before I'm tired of looking at them !! I believe now.


Fred Freitas

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Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:41 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] PFE R-30-16


Fred, ever so innocently, asks:

You mention the PFE book, do I take it
> that my library needs an additon which will answer a lot more
> questions on this topic?

Oh, Fred, Tony's much too humble to let on . . .

http://www.signaturepress.com/pfe.html

http://www.signaturepress.com/pfe2.html

I think that will let you know.

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