T&P 70340 hauling paper.

T&P series 70300-70499 were steel "single sheathed" automobile
box cars with 12 foot door openings built in 1929. I am pretty
sure we have discussed them before...

What are the best trucks in HO (manufacturer and part # please )to simulate the ones on this prototype listed below. By the way the last passenger train to stop in Scottsville VA in 1956 only had two parcels of freight and one passenger board the combine car of the same batch as the one in the prototype photo.

http://piedmontsub.com/graphics/PassCombine409.jpg


Sincerely ,

Tyler Turpin


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There is a 1950 photo of CX #50240, and a 1936 photo of CX #50131,
in the BRHS Burlington Bulletin #12. There were 159 cars listed in
the 1950 ORER, 143 in the 1953 ORER, but only 2 (with reporting
marks changed to C&S) in 1959. Maybe someone with other ORER data
could pin down the date when the CX marks changed to C&S.

Just a warning to others, I tried to use Blacken-it on my Proto
wheelsets, because they were too shiny. It IS possible to leave them
in too long, resulting in stripping some of the bright coating off.
This was more than I intended. I had thought that painting was turing
out to be more trouble than it was worth, and I wanted a darker finish
than rust (these represent plain bearings, after all, which would sling
a lot of oil...) Looks like I will go back to painting, or at least
watch much more closely in the future! It appears as if they will
still roll OK, but the finish has a greenish-blue tinge to it, perhaps
Proto wheels have brass or copper centers.
Another note especially helpful to those at the early end of the groups
time frame: Craig Bisgeier on the EarlyRail Yahoo group informs that
Tichy has released queenposts in HO and O, and a sprue of early door
hardware detail parts. Go to tichytraingroup.com and click on "What's
New". This has got me to wondering whether he is going to combine the
two and come up with a kit to model early wood box cars. How long has
it been since he has come out with a new rolling stock kit?
Dean Payne

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Bill, the PSC 16,000 gal ICC-103 tank car represents fuel oil/lube oil
cars built in the 1950's. NP and SP had them for example, as did other
owners. These were simply the 70 ton successors to the even more
common 12,000 gal ICC-103's built for the same type of cargo since
the 1920's or earlier.

I picked up two of these 16K cars (I think they were under PSC's "Iron
Horse" label) at the Ontario, California brass show many years ago. They
both came with CONOCO oil company decals, but I have yet to come up with
evidence that Conoco had any of these on their roster.

Shawn Beckert

Bill, the PSC 16,000 gal ICC-103 tank car represents fuel oil/lube oil
cars built in the 1950's. NP and SP had them for example, as did other
owners. These were simply the 70 ton successors to the even more
common 12,000 gal ICC-103's built for the same type of cargo since
the 1920's or earlier.

The Lambert 103W with a large dome is NOT for ammonia, which I
think requires an insulated, pressurized ICC-105 tank. It is the sort
of car used for oil products, or lye (caustic soda), or tallow, etc.

The PSC 10k/11k/12k are all ICC-105 designs and all of those sizes
did exist for chlorine, LPG, and urea (anhydrous ammonia) but as you
point out the models are not great and I think every paint scheme
PSC applied was bogus.

The PSC 8k is my favorite of the bunch since it's an 8,000 gal ICC-103W
which no one else has done as far as I recall...

Overland produced a number of far more detailed tank cars, but it's
just as hard trying to pin down the exact prototypes Tom Marsh used
for those models, if in fact he followed a prototype at all. Of those that
I have figured out, there are few/no decals for most of them.

Tim O.

Gents,

Can you help me with information on the CMStP&P 93007-93206 steel GS gondolas with 1998 cu.ft. capacity built in 1949? Builder, manufacturing plant, etc.? Any photos of these cars?

A representative car (93038) is shown in a builder's photo on the NEB&W guide to freight cars site at:
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/gons/GS-gons/Gons-GS-Milw-1949.jpg

Thank you,
Andy Laurent


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I have the below listed brass tank cars I've accumulated over the
past few years. The Lambert 103W Acid car has benn discussed with a
prototype number GATX 34674 has been identified.

This leaves the other Lambert car and the Precision cars I need to
get identified before starting work. The precision tanks, with the
exception of the 16000 gallon tank, are all insulated. The paint and
decals are poor and almost certainly not prototypical. The underbody
detail is a total loss. I have ordered the ACF book which I hope
will cover some of these cars but any help from the group will be
appreciated.

Precision Tank Car, 8M Gal., Large Dome w/ platform
WRSX 875 Painted Mobilgas , red, bad paint and details

Precision Tank Car, 10M Gal., Insulated UNDEC
Stripped, Needs brake detail

Precision Tank Car, 12M Gal., Insulated UNDEC
GATX6115 Painted Shamrock Oil, white, bad paint and
details

Precision Tank Car, 16M Gal., Large dome UNDEC
Stripped, Needs brake detail and minor frame repair

Lambert Tank Car, ICC 103 BW, 8M Gal currently Dupont
small dome with walkway, H2SO4 Tank, black. Make
GATX 34674

Lambert Tank Car, ICC 103 W, 10M Gal currently Dupont
Large dome with walkway. Silver, Anhydros Ammonia

Bill McCoy
Jax

richtownsend@netscape.net wrote:

How about C&S (the Colorado & Southern). I don't have a ORER from back then, but my October 1952 edition shows reefers in the 50050 to 50249 series. I'm not sure when the C&S reefers began to use CX reporting marks (they weren't in 1952 as far as I can tell).

Rich,

Bingo! Well almost. In both the 1/1938 and 1/1943 ORER's, the CX had reefers in the #50050-50249 series.

Tom Baker,

Is the car number #50270 a good one? Is it possible that the number is something like #50220?

Tim Gilbert

How about C&S (the Colorado & Southern). I don't have a ORER from back then, but my October 1952 edition shows reefers in the 50050 to 50249 series. I'm not sure when the C&S reefers began to use CX reporting marks (they weren't in 1952 as far as I can tell).


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Lincoln City, Oregon

That still leaves the mysterious CLE refrigerator car. �The first letter is clearly a "C" and the last letter an "E". �An "L" appears to be the middle letter, but I cannot be sure. �

Any help again? �

Tom

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Thomas Baker wrote:

I want to thank the two people who responded with suggestions about the three mystery cars. I say "mystery" because the conductor's handwriting is difficult to dicipher at times. I had two cars listed as L&R, but no such line existed at the time in question. Looking at the sheet again, I wonder could the cars be T&P? That would make for the following:

T&P 80059 a box hauling flour
T&P 70340 hauling paper. The conductor's indication of the type of car is hard to determine. A car hauling paper probably ought to be a box car or a refrigerator car, but the initial "B" for box has been erased and some other letter written over it.
That still leaves the mysterious CLE refrigerator car. The first letter is clearly a "C" and the last letter an "E". An "L" appears to be the middle letter, but I cannot be sure.

Only Private Owners having reporting marks C?E are CCEX, the Chipman Chemical Corp of Bound Bound Brook NJ, and CWEX, the Commonwealth Edison Co.. Chipman had tank cars, and Commonwealth Edison had depressed flats numbered #1001 and #1003.

Possible RR's include CTSE, the Chicago, Terre Haute & Eastern, a MILW sub., but neither the CTSE nor the MILW had a #50270 in either the 1/1938 or the 1/1943 ORER's. Other possibilities include C&EI and CIL, but neither had a #50270.

Tim Gilbert

I want to thank the two people who responded with suggestions about the three mystery cars. I say "mystery" because the conductor's handwriting is difficult to dicipher at times. I had two cars listed as L&R, but no such line existed at the time in question. Looking at the sheet again, I wonder could the cars be T&P? That would make for the following:

T&P 80059 a box hauling flour
T&P 70340 hauling paper. The conductor's indication of the type of car is hard to determine. A car hauling paper probably ought to be a box car or a refrigerator car, but the initial "B" for box has been erased and some other letter written over it.

That still leaves the mysterious CLE refrigerator car. The first letter is clearly a "C" and the last letter an "E". An "L" appears to be the middle letter, but I cannot be sure.

Any help again?

Tom

Garth Groff wrote:

Tim and Tom,

How about Louisiana & Arkansas, L&A?

The L&A's highest car number in the 1/38 ORER was #15150.

Tim Gilbert

Tim and Tom,

How about Louisiana & Arkansas, L&A?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Tim Gilbert wrote:

Normally I don't exchange postings on computer viruses
(perhaps from the arrogance gained from owning a Mac),
though Dan did tell me his problems, and it was a
suggestion from me that this was a virus. He explained
a reply off-list about the slides from a STMFC member
had an attachment, which when Dan opened it, the
trouble cascaded into the problems that beset him. I
suspect the sender is himself possessing an infected
computer, and is unaware. Dan told me the member's
name, and it was not one that I recognized.

Best advice is still "don't open attachments from
strangers". Though that may not be enough.....

Poor Dan,
Just joined the computer age and the Steam era group-
hope this doesn't prompt a return to the trogs, Dan
has an awful lot to offer us.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
wrote:

Andy Carlson wrote:

Dan has called me to ask that I post to the STMFC

that

Dan has acquired a virus from a respondent on the
STMFC list. I advised him too late about not

opening

attachments from strangers, now he is fully aware

of

the dangers.

I thought Yahoo stripped off ALL attachments.
If Dan got the
virus from e-mail, I would think it was from someone
not contacting via
the list (though maybe a list MEMBER).

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Andy Carlson wrote:

Dan has called me to ask that I post to the STMFC that
Dan has acquired a virus from a respondent on the
STMFC list. I advised him too late about not opening
attachments from strangers, now he is fully aware of
the dangers.

I thought Yahoo stripped off ALL attachments. If Dan got the virus from e-mail, I would think it was from someone not contacting via the list (though maybe a list MEMBER).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

Thanks for the advice. I removed the old decal with MicroSol and a
cotton swab, cleaned the area of any residue, and used the other
PMcK&Y decal from the set. I was able to get the film to pretty much
dissapear. I don't know what the problem with the first try was, it
does not appear to be a bad batch.
Note the slight change in the subject line: I have another problem
with my Westerfield GN large, front facing goat decal. The large
herald has a wrinkle in it, this is a dual-layer black circle/goat-
and-lettering, and I don't know whether it was the black circle or
white 2nd layer. Anyhow, I pricked a bubble to get it to snug down,
but there appears to be a wrinkle where the bubble used to be. It
may not be worth messing with. It is an extremely large decal,
perhaps larger decals are prone to more problems like this.
Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@w...> wrote:

Dean Payne wrote:
"...I ran into an odd problem. In spite of a coat of Micro Gloss,
using Micro Set when applying the decal, this particular decal is
not "disappearing" like the rest. Is this a bad batch, perhaps?
This is just the road name/number, the rest of the side is from the
previous decal set BUT applied at the same time, using the same
methods, same dish to soak the decals in, etc. There appears to be

a

tan/grey background, even though I applied two or three applications
of Micro Sol in the past few days. I tried pricking little holes to
let any Micro Sol behind the decal. Is this perhaps glue behind

the

decal? I also lettered two other cars the same day, and had no
similar problems. Should I try to remove the offending decal and
start over with the remaining road name/number from the set? Or, am
I likely to have the same problem?"

Try the following:

1. Using distlled water and a cotton swab, gently remove all glue
and decal setting solution residue from the model. (This probably
isn't the cause of your problem, but it's a good habit to acquire.)

2. Your problem is most likely "silvering", though it may have a
yellowish or brownish cast on some decals. This may occur even if
you applied a gloss clearcoat to the model before decaling, and

Micro

Sol is often too weak to deal with it. Prick holes in the decal

and

apply Champ Decal Set or Walthers Solvaset. CAUTION: DO NOT TOUCH
THE DECAL UNTIL DRY. DO NOT USE THESE STRONGER DECAL SOLUTIONS ON
THINFILM DECALS DURING FIRST APPLICATION. Repeat if necessary.


"How does one remove a decal without stripping the whole side?"

3. Apply Champ Decal Set or Walthers Solvaset to the decal.

Moisten

a cotton swab with the setting solution and gently scrub off the
offending decal.

4. If this doesnt work, apply a small amount of abrasive hand gel

to

the decal and gently scrub off. Take care not to scrub through the
paint.

5. If all else fails, rinse away any abrasive, setting solution,

and

decal residue, mask, and repaint.


Ben Hom

One more bit of info I neglected to pass on. Dan is
still receiving emails, just can't send any out, so
those who wish to contact Dan can still do so.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

There is a distinct inflectional difference between telling someone "Go look it up!"; and more kindly commenting that "this is a topic that has been discussed many times and you will find it helpful to search the archives". The first is arrogant, the second is instructive.

However, when the answer to the question is simple to begin with and is on the tip of tongue, why not just simply give the answer and move on?

Civil discourse is cheap.

Denny
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Sacramento, California

On Aug 29, 2005, at 5:52 PM, lnbill wrote:

Which version of this car has now been done in styrene? I have a photo
of MILW 6675 which two 6 foot doors, while MIKW 9440 has a 15 foot door
opening according the ORER.

Bill, according to the information in the kits plus the photos I have:

6500-6599 (100 cars) were built in 1942 with wood running boards and Universal hand brakes.

6600-6899 (300 cars) were built in 1943-44 with Apex steel running boards and Universal hand brakes.

6900-7099 (200 cars) were built in 1944 with Apex steel running boards and Miner hand brakes.

All the above had 12'5" or 12'6"door openings and are the prototype cars the kit represents.

9000-9499 (500 cars) were built in 1947 and had 15' doors and Evans auto racks.

Richard Hendrickson