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Re: Weevil-control lining in boxcars
Greg Martin
Mark,
The subject goes beyond the scope of this list, but there were such things in the fifties as well it was just a different type of packet that hung in the cars. Greg Martin
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C&NW PS-1 656-1655
Ed Hawkins
Mark,
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Referring to your original question about these cars, I received a note from Sam Clarke of Kadee, who put together the following information about the prototype cars. My earlier notes were taken from cars in which I had knowledge of, but the diagram specifies nearly all of what you are looking for. From what I can tell from photos, the majority of the 1,000 cars in lot 8177 came with Apex running boards. The Kadee models are accurate to the extent that the car body, appliances, and lettering are correct. For their car #1555, the trucks would require replacement (Branchline's Barber Stabilized trucks will work). Thanks goes to Sam! Regards, Ed Hawkins Begin forwarded message:
I have the C&NW equipment diagrams for these cars. The following is
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Re: Tank cars for molasses delivery
irv_thomae <ithomae@...>
I can answer a few of Lynn Finch's questions, but don't know of any
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photos. The "VT feed store" he has heard about was a "For-All Store", located in South Ryegate, in a dairy region on the Montpelier & Wells River some half-dozen miles west of the B&M/CP Connecticut River main line. A few years ago, as part of an oral history project, a friend and I interviewed "Andy", a now-retired farmer who worked there in the late 30's as a teenager. Andy told us that back then, feeds were quite commonly mixed to order, and molasses was a frequent component. Understandably, however, no Depression-era Vermonter would use store-bought feed when his own pastures were green, so most feed sales occurred during the winter months - when the overnight temperatures often reached -30 F. To keep the molasses manageably fluid, it was stored underground, in the recycled body of an 8,000-gallon tank car. (You probably couldn't do that today - I have no idea how they cleaned residual oil out of it before its first load of molasses.) When For-All needed more molasses, it came up from Boston via the Concord-Plymouth line. By the time it got to Woodsville, of course, it was pretty solid - so the tank car was spotted next to the Woodsville roundhouse for 24 hours or so, with its heating coils connected to a steam line. The next morning, the M&WR hauled it out to South Ryegate, where simple gravity was now sufficient to refill the store's tank. I don't know if portions of a single tankcar load were delivered to other customers, but I tend to doubt it would have been practical. After WWII, that feed store changed hands a few times. Eventually, the building was demolished, and its 8000-gallon tank was sold to a fuel-oil dealer, who returned it to its original use - sort of. They set the tank up on steel legs in Bradford, VT, and it was still there the last time I looked. I have no idea how much of this story can be generalized to NYO&W territory, but it may give some sense of what problems had to be dealt with - along with the unlikelihood that any two businesses solved them exactly the same way. If you do track down any photos, please let me know - So. Ryegate will be a major focus of my (HO) layout, so I really need at least one appropriately lettered tank car. Irv Thomae in Norwich, Vermont
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "loconut35" <lmfin@c...> wrote:
Looking for info on tank cars used to tranport molasses from 1940
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Re: RDG USRA gons (was Taylor trucks)
Larry Kline
Richard Townsend asked:
I wonder how accurate the p/l is on the Reading model (number aside). It matches the 1957 Col. Chet McCoid photo of RDG 24198 that Richard Hendrickson mentioned. Its also on sale. http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-7461 The Walthers photo shows a car numbered 23035 which is in a series of 21 cars (23015-23350) These were rebuilt in 1938 according to Eric Neubauer's RDG roster which also says that they ran until 1966. http://www.enter.net/~eaneubauer/rdg.htm The 10-56 ORER says that all 21 were still in service and that they are container gons. There are photos of 23019 and 23035 (with Taylor trucks) on Rich Yoder's web site. Rich imported very nice O scale USRA gon and USRA clone gon brass models. http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_fc_rdg_cont_gon.htm Larry Kline Pittsburgh, PA
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Re: Tank Car decals HELP
Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
Allen;
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Thanks very much for that info! Who are good purveyors of these decals? Have you done either the Norwest kit or the Tichy kitbash? How were they? Thanks again, Elden
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ajfergusonca Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:07 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tank Car decals HELP --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@h...> wrote: , are there any other decal sets available in HO that are appropriatefor the timeframe of this list?Most of Black Cat's decals are pre 1965 (and mosly Canadian) Scales other than HO are available as well: NSOX351 North Star Oil 8000 gal. Tank Car(start with Intermountan 8000)1930s -1971 BAOX #833 Tank car - bow tie Pre 1947 BAOX #358 Tank Car - Roundel 1947-1967 CGTX #1 703 war emergency tank car- 10,000 or 8000 Usgal (kitbash Tichy)pre 1960s GATX 20717 Tank car 1930s-1960s IOX 3248 Imperial Oil tank car(Norwest Kit #120 1930s- 1955 CIL #7011 Tank car 1940s -1970s MFLX #753 McColl Frontenac tank cars 1930s-1950s CN #990857 Tank car(Norwest Kit #120) 1930s-1960s CN #990925 Tank car(1943 war emergency)1940s-1960s CPR#415408 8 & 10,000 gal. Tank cars(Norwest #120 or Intermountain)pre 1967 Sinclair Billboard style silver on black Allen Ferguson Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Taylor trucks
Richard Townsend
Thanks. The Walthers cars are even on sale right now. I wonder how accurate the p/l is on the Reading model (number aside).
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Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com> wrote:
On Sep 1, 2005, at 8:02 PM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:Richard Townsend asked: --
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Re: Tank Car decals HELP
Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
Thanks for the clarification, Andy.
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I may buy a couple sets, just to see if there is useful data there. They may straddle eras, if I'm lucky. Take care, Elden
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miller,Andrew S. Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:54 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Tank Car decals HELP Eldon, Almost all of the ISP decals are contemporary. However, Bill Onorato, the owner, art department, production mgr and head of shipping ;-) has been doing this for over twenty years. So "contemporary" is relative. Bill once told me he would be happy to do steam era cars for me but has rarely seen good color photos of them. With contemporary cars he frequently can obtain the assistance of the car's owner- usually in exchange for a few finished decals. regards, Andy Miller -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:16 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Tank Car decals HELP Folks; Can anyone tell me what the approximate eras are for the Islington Station line of decals for tank cars? They have some interesting-looking sets, but I have no idea as to the appropriate dates they are good for. Aside from the Champ decal line, and the nice Microscale decal sets, are there any other decal sets available in HO that are appropriate for the timeframe of this list? And, speaking of the Microscale sets, are these all good for the pre-'60 timeframe, or are these later lettering schemes? Are there any tank car manufacturer logos for our era in any of these sets? Thanks! Elden Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Taylor trucks
Richard Townsend
Sorry. HO. Ben Hom and Richard Hendrickson guessed right. I should have made that clear at the outset.
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"Rich Yoder" <oscale48@comcast.net> wrote:
What scale do you model in? --
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resources wanted for gondola ends
Justin Turpin <birdbiz2003@...>
I am using the Atlas HO scale 8 panel gon . a photo of the prototype is at
http://forum.atlasrr.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13564 Sincerely Tyler Turpin Tyler Turpin asked: "does anyone know of photos or other sources of detailed info on the ends of the 8 panel gons rebuilt in 1953 for the C AND EI these were series 95300 to 95399. The photo online is good for the sides but not good enough to detail the ends for the members of this group. converting the kit to the prototype mainly means sanding off a lot of rivets, removing the left side of the ladder frame on the right hand side, and adding some grab irons and probably $5.00 worth of parts to the ends and some cutting on the ends may be required.the step plate is too high and has to go. A quick cheap kitbash that will produce a very accurate model from a car that can be picked up for under $7.00 at shows may be possible." 1. Do you have a URL for the "photo online"? 2. What model are you using for your starting point? Ben Hom --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
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Re: CNW 40ft PS-1 boxcar details
Mark Heiden
Hello Ed,
Thanks for the information. Are any of the photos you listed published, like in the Freight Cars of the Fifties series in Model Railroading magazine? Also, Kadee released two PS-1 models from this series, cars 664 and 1555. Are these accurate enough to use as a reference for painting and lettering? Thanks again, Mark Heiden --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote: Mark,Universal, however I don't know the exact car number assignments. Runningboards were either Apex or U.S. Gypsum. Photos show that most, if notall, cars had A-3 R.C. trucks. In addition to the Whittaker photo,there's a bunch of available photos of cars from this series, including fromWinters collection (1572), Joe Collias (1008/1588), Dick Kuelbs (691), andMike Gruber (664/838/1289 from the Tom Martorano collection). Hope this
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Re: CNW 40ft PS-1 boxcar details
Ed Hawkins
On Thursday, September 1, 2005, at 04:02 PM, Mark Heiden wrote:
I have some questions concerning the details of some Chicago & NorthMark, The first 800 cars had Youngstown doors and the last 200 cars had 5-panel Superior doors. Hand brakes were Miner, Ajax, and Universal, however I don't know the exact car number assignments. Running boards were either Apex or U.S. Gypsum. Photos show that most, if not all, cars had A-3 R.C. trucks. In addition to the Whittaker photo, there's a bunch of available photos of cars from this series, including from Richard Burg (664/1289), Bob's Photo (1219 in color), Charles Winters collection (1572), Joe Collias (1008/1588), Dick Kuelbs (691), and Mike Gruber (664/838/1289 from the Tom Martorano collection). Hope this helps. Regards, Ed Hawkins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Taylor trucks
Richard Hendrickson
On Sep 1, 2005, at 8:02 PM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:
Richard Townsend asked: "I'm looking for a good modeling candidate, which in my case is a carBen got so absorbed in the problems of modeling the Reading's box cars that he overlooked a much easier solution. One series of Reading GML USRA-design 70 ton mill gondolas had Taylor trucks, series 23500-24499 built in 1926. Those cars can be modeled with Westerfield resin kits or, if you're willing to fix some minor shortcomings, Walthers styrene models, and many of them were still in revenue service in 1958. In fact, I have a Col. Chet McCoid photo of RDG 24198 still going strong and in excellent condition in December, 1957. Of course, the Reading gons had 70 ton, not 50 ton, Taylor trucks, but since the journal boxes on most model trucks are oversize anyway, I'll bet the trucks Richard Townsend has would represent the gondola trucks quite convincingly. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: truck naming
Richard Hendrickson
On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Rob Kirkham wrote:All completely true, and clearly and concisely stated.Tony and Richard, thanks for these replies - I appreciate learning thatI can't speak for Richard, but I'd say you would prefer to have Richard Hendrickson
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Re: truck naming
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Rob Kirkham wrote:
Tony and Richard, thanks for these replies - I appreciate learning thatI can't speak for Richard, but I'd say you would prefer to have both. The photo is primary, because sideframe shapes did vary with time as well as with manufacturer, and you can always find the closest match possible in the limited universe of model trucks. "Closest," that is, for a given set of design aspects, such as spring planks, bolster snubbers, etc. The specs do help too but only to narrow down what you are looking at in the models. I once thought I could collect truck drawings and info from the Cycs and have a complete listing of what every mfgr. made. Wrong. They by no means always put all the product into a particular Cyc. And it isn't hard to find car photos with trucks which don't exactly match anything in a Cyc. Richard's article in RP CYC is a landmark in setting a framework for this topic, but there are many, many details he simply couldn't cover, as I'm sure he will be quick to say. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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truck naming
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Tony and Richard, thanks for these replies - I appreciate learning that things aren't as simple or straightforward as they once seemed. I take it then the old adage about using a photo is pretty much the starting point for picking/modelling a truck - the specs alone just won't do?
Rob Kirkham,
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Re: Taylor trucks
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Richard Townsend asked:
"I have come into possession of a pair of Taylor trucks. My understanding is that Taylors were used exclusively (or almost so) by the Reading. My question is this: what series of cars, if any, would have had Taylor trucks in 1958?" Page 68 of the Morning Sun Reading Color Guide shows RDG 102123 from RDG 101000-102999, Class XMu, 1910 cars remaining in January 1959. This car has Taylor trucks; photo taken at Shamokin, PA, October 14, 1962. Here's an earlier photo from Ted Culotta's website: http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/rdg102751main.html "I'm looking for a good modeling candidate, which in my case is a car that I can model with an available kit." Oy. From a modeling standpoint, Reading's pre-WWII boxcars are a pain in the ass. With the exception of their USRA SS boxcars, almost all classes are tantalizingly close to available kits, but have one or more significant differences that make building an accurate model difficult. At first glance, Class XMu looks like an X29 copy. However, even though this car has flat ends, it has 8-panel sides, a Hutchins roof, and an IH of 9 ft 3 in, 8 inches taller than the X29. The height difference is what makes this kitbash difficult - otherwise, you could use the ends from a Red Caboose kit, the sides from the Westerfield USRA-design steel boxcar (from the earlier flat kits), and a Hutchins roof cut from an Accurail SS boxcar. To get the correct height, you'll need to splice sides and ends. Red Caboose did offer the X29 as a Reading Class XMt boxcar, which was a 8 ft 7 in IH car with flat ends; however, it has 10 panel sides vs the 8 panel sides of the protoype, and I have not seen a photo of these cars with Taylor trucks (my Reading resources are admittedly thin). The bottom line - it depends on what compromises that you can live with. Ben Hom
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Re: Taylor trucks
What scale do you model in?
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From: <richtownsend@netscape.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:13 PM Subject: [STMFC] Taylor trucks I have come into possession of a pair of Taylor trucks. My understanding is that Taylors were used exclusively (or almost so) by the Reading. My question is this: what series of cars, if any, would have had Taylor trucks in 1958? I'm looking for a good modeling candidate, which in my case is a car that I can model with an available kit.
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Black Cat decalsRe: Tank Car decals HELP
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
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Re: C&EI 8 panel gondola
Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Tyler Turpin asked:
"does anyone know of photos or other sources of detailed info on the ends of the 8 panel gons rebuilt in 1953 for the C AND EI these were series 95300 to 95399. The photo online is good for the sides but not good enough to detail the ends for the members of this group. converting the kit to the prototype mainly means sanding off a lot of rivets, removing the left side of the ladder frame on the right hand side, and adding some grab irons and probably $5.00 worth of parts to the ends and some cutting on the ends may be required.the step plate is too high and has to go. A quick cheap kitbash that will produce a very accurate model from a car that can be picked up for under $7.00 at shows may be possible." 1. Do you have a URL for the "photo online"? 2. What model are you using for your starting point? Ben Hom
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c & ei 8 panel gongondola
birdbiz2003 <birdbiz2003@...>
does anyone know of photos or other sources of detailed info on the
ends of the 8 panel gons rebuilt in 1953 for the C AND EI these were series 95300 to 95399. The photo online is good for the sides but not good enough to detail the ends for the members of this group. converting the kit to the prototype mainly means sanding off a lot of rivets , removing the left side of the ladder frame on the right hand side, and adding some grab irons and probably $5.00 worth of parts to the ends and some cutting on the ends may be required.the step plate is too high and has to go. A quick cheap kitbash that will produce a very accurate model from a car that can be picked up for under $7.00 at shows may be possible. Sincerely , Tyler Turpin
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