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Re: ingoldsby cars

eabracher@...
 

In a message dated 9/17/05 9:52:14 PM, richtownsend@netscape.net writes:


Try this site: <http://nn.railfan.net/Ingoldsby/gold3.htm>

Roger Parry <uncleroger@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

I am not familiar with this type of car, what was it and what did it
look like???
On Sep 17, 2005, at 9:19 PM, richtownsend@netscape.net wrote:

I am interested.  My primary modeling interest is the Colorado &
Southern standard gauge, and they had these cars.
the cars I will be producing are the wood type built by AC&F.

eric/RGM


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Sunshine Naperville Clinic List

Michael Aufderheide
 

I've posted the clinic list for Naperville in the
'files' section of the STMFPH group. Thanks to Tom
Olson for sending this to me.

Regards,

Mike

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Re: Trucks On SP Gondolas

Jonathan MARCUS
 

Guys, many thanks for the prompt and authoritative assistance.
Pacific Limited sounds a great loss.
Regards
Jonathan Marcus
Apologies about not puting my full name.


Re: BLI vs. Walthers express reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Greg Martin wrote:
I am not sure what purpose it would serve to compare them together not knowing which is correct, do you? Why compare one that might be wrong to another that my be right? Shouldn't we first establish which one best represents the prototype per the original drawing or doesn't that matter????
Surely any sensible review would compare to the prototype, whether of one or two models.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: BLI vs. Walthers express reefers

Greg Martin
 

Dean,

I wrote...
I too would like to see a comparison, but not to each other,
rather both to an accurate set of plans. This is the only true
comparison.

Greg Martin
Then you wrote...

"Greg, I think you missed Bruce's point. What is desired is a
comparison of the two to see which better matches an "accurate set of
plans." A review of either vs. the plans would be nice, but it would
be nice to have a side-by-side comparo to know which is a closer
match to the prototype (vs. the competing product.) Since the
Broadway is available in an earlier paint scheme not available from
Walthers, that makes it a better choice for me, unless a review shows
some other problem.

We have the same need for a side-by-side comparison of the Funaro B&O
wagontop vs. the Model RR Warehouse. The Model RR Warehouse version
has been narrowed to correct the width, but we don't know whether it
builds into a better kit than the Funaro or vice versa. I'll bet one
is better in some places than the other and vice versa, neither being
perfect. Until someone knowlegable has both in hand, along with the
prototype plans, we may not know which to buy.
Dean Payne"

I am not sure what purpose it would serve to compare them together not knowing which is correct, do you? Why compare one that might be wrong to another that my be right? Shouldn't we first establish which one best represents the prototype per the original drawing or doesn't that matter????

In your words...

"We have the same need for a side-by-side comparison of the Funaro B&O
wagontop vs. the Model RR Warehouse. The Model RR Warehouse version
has been narrowed to correct the width, but we don't know whether it
builds into a better kit than the Funaro or vice versa."

I could personally care less if a B&O car is fatter to another unless we can clearly establish which on is correct... I just want the correct one or to know which one requires less work to make it so and I believe(correct me if I am wrong)the only way to that is from a correct set of plans... Otherwise what's the purpose of the comprison... The other mehtod is simple conjecture of "I sure like this one better..." Let's first establish which one it correct.

Greg Martin


Re: Trucks On SP Gondolas

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Arthur Marr wrote:
The Pacific Limited G-50-12s' do have the rivets so are correct for that
class. They also have the Dalman trucks. is also Pat is noted for doing
very good research and producing prototype models, witness his many
versions of the 1932 ARA or his multiple versions of the NYC USRA rebuilds.
I have one of the PL cars, but it is packed in an inaccessible way right now, so I couldn't check it directly. Obviously with the Dalmans the car should be in the second half of the -12 number series. (There is much more info on these cars in Volume 1 of the "SP Freight Cars" books.) I agree that Pat's research is usually impeccable and his O scale models uniformly impressive.

Too bad he is another victim of the times and we have probably seen the
last of his black boxes.
From what I've heard, " the times" have little to do with it. But that's not a topic for this list.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


SP black Overnight 40' boxcar

Andy Carlson
 

Hello folks,

I have not yet brought my slide scanner online since
my move last year, though I thought with the recent
interest in the Gerstley slide collection this would
be a good time to show one of the rarer images. Though
most of the Gerstley collection has sharp Kodachromes,
this one wasn't, so the color has shifted. But being a
Black Overnight car, I thought some STMFC'ers would
like a medium resolution (996K)sample of this car,
photographed in Taylor yard, So CA.

Anyone wanting a copy of this SP car, send me an email
(off-list <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>with SP car in the
subject line, and I will get it to you. Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Trucks On SP Gondolas

Arthur Marr <ab2lm@...>
 

Tony,
The Pacific Limited G-50-12s' do have the rivets so are correct for that
class. They also have the Dalman trucks. is also Pat is noted for doing
very good research and producing prototype models, witness his many
versions of the 1932 ARA or his multiple versions of the NYC USRA rebuilds.
Too bad he is another victim of the times and we have probably seen the
last of his black boxes.

Art Marr
Reno, NV

are distinguished by a row of rivets on the side sheets where they join
to the sloped part. IIRC the Pacific Limited cars don't have that and
are therefore G-50-9 or -10.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: Trucks On SP Gondolas

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jon (not signing his full name) wrote:
Can anyone tell me which trucks - Dalman or Bettendorf T-section - would be most
appropriate for the late 1940's, early 1950's time-frame? The prototype is the slope-sided
drop bottom gon as modelled by pacific Limited some years back.
That depends on which class you want to duplicate, Jon. The G-50-9, -10 and -11 classes all had T-section trucks from either ASF or Bettendorf, but the G-50-12 class of 1000 cars had half T-section (ASF) and half 2-level Dalman trucks from Bettendorf. Classes G-50-11 and -12 are distinguished by a row of rivets on the side sheets where they join to the sloped part. IIRC the Pacific Limited cars don't have that and are therefore G-50-9 or -10.
Those are the as-built trucks. In the 1950s, a number of cars received replacement AAR trucks, so that is a possibility too.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: NW & predecessor freight cars

armprem
 

Ray,I,for one, would like that information.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Breyer" <rbreyer@cesinfo.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NW & predecessor freight cars


Stephen,

I've got lots of data on the W&LE 78000-series cars. They went as a group
to
the NKP in 1949. I've got 17 in-service NKP photos, a copy of the original
1948 W&LE diagram sheet, a copy of the original 1950 NKP diagram sheet,
and
a copy of the 1960 NKP diagram sheet (the NKP was performing class
repairs),
all scanned and stored on my harddrive. Let me know what you want, and
I'll
email it to ya.

Ray Breyer

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stephenr37
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 1:52 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] NW & predecessor freight cars

Would anyone happen to have information about the any of the following
freight car series?

W&LE 78000-78999 Greenville 11-12/47 hoppers

Stephen Mayberry







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Trucks On SP Gondolas

Jonathan MARCUS
 

Can anyone tell me which trucks - Dalman or Bettendorf T-section - would be most
appropriate for the late 1940's, early 1950's time-frame? The prototype is the slope-sided
drop bottom gon as modelled by pacific Limited some years back.
Many thanks.
Jon


Re: BLI vs. Walthers express reefers

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, tgregmrtn@a... wrote:

Scott wrote:

Now that Broadway has released their GACX 53'6" express reefer,
why should we care? Is it a different prototype than the Walthers
model? They look almost identical. The Broadway version costs a
couple dollars more.<<

Bruce wrote:

Scott,
AFAIK, they are identical prototypes. I would LOVE to see an
unbiased side by side review of these cars.

Regards
Bruce<

I too would like to see a comparison, but not to each other,
rather both to an accurate set of plans. This is the only true
comparison.

Greg Martin
Greg, I think you missed Bruce's point. What is desired is a
comparison of the two to see which better matches an "accurate set of
plans." A review of either vs. the plans would be nice, but it would
be nice to have a side-by-side comparo to know which is a closer
match to the prototype (vs. the competing product.) Since the
Broadway is available in an earlier paint scheme not available from
Walthers, that makes it a better choice for me, unless a review shows
some other problem.

We have the same need for a side-by-side comparison of the Funaro B&O
wagontop vs. the Model RR Warehouse. The Model RR Warehouse version
has been narrowed to correct the width, but we don't know whether it
builds into a better kit than the Funaro or vice versa. I'll bet one
is better in some places than the other and vice versa, neither being
perfect. Until someone knowlegable has both in hand, along with the
prototype plans, we may not know which to buy.
Dean Payne


Re: Detail of AAR 1937 boxcar - Murphy and Hutchins Roofs

Manfred Lorenz
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

Manfred Lorenz:

Why did the manufacturers use small panels anyway? Why didn't
they simply cut a sheet of steel the length of the car roof
and weld it together? Why these individual panels with the
accompanying troubles of making all those seams? Same for the sides?
Expansion and contraction, a significant dimension over a 40' car, is
absorbed by the individual
panels. Yes, the entire car expands and contracts, but the joints
help deal with it.

SGL
Ships should do the same and have seem to have no problems. That is, if
they are not named Fitz.

As long as the materials have the same properties there should be not a
problem with temperatures I think.

Manfred


Re: NW & predecessor freight cars

Ray Breyer <rbreyer@...>
 

Stephen,

I've got lots of data on the W&LE 78000-series cars. They went as a group to
the NKP in 1949. I've got 17 in-service NKP photos, a copy of the original
1948 W&LE diagram sheet, a copy of the original 1950 NKP diagram sheet, and
a copy of the 1960 NKP diagram sheet (the NKP was performing class repairs),
all scanned and stored on my harddrive. Let me know what you want, and I'll
email it to ya.

Ray Breyer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
stephenr37
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 1:52 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] NW & predecessor freight cars

Would anyone happen to have information about the any of the following
freight car series?

W&LE 78000-78999 Greenville 11-12/47 hoppers

Stephen Mayberry


Re: Detail of AAR 1937 boxcar - Murphy and Hutchins Roofs

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Expansion and contraction, a significant dimension over a 40' car, is absorbed by the individual
panels. Yes, the entire car expands and contracts, but the joints help deal with it.
Schuyler is right, and the idea doesn't require separated panels; the segments and their ribs can all contribute to local expansion, even if the roof is welded. OTOH, stamping an entire roof is a pretty big die and a pretty big press, for no real gain that I can see.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Box car at "The Falls"

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@n...> wrote:
Guy, Oct 95 MLM magazine has a nice article on how to build one of
these cars. The auther states the cars were rebuilt at St Cloud MN
in 60-61. So your photo is correct :)

Chet, you read this? Guy thinks I'm you! I've finally made the big
time!!
Clark Propst
Not from Meaniesoda

Well, I have been called Clark a few times, so what does that make me?

Chet French
Dixon, Illinoise



<< No photos, but it is one of the GN 'Glacier Green' with the
standing
"happy" goat emblem rebuilts from the middle 50s. >>

Chet,

"Rocky" were renumbered into the 27000-27799 beginning in
December
of 1960. I have
a photo of 27086 stenciled 1-1960 proving only a small portion of
the "Rocky"


Re: Detail of AAR 1937 boxcar - Murphy and Hutchins Roofs

dehusman <dehusman@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:
Expansion and contraction, a significant dimension over a 40' car,
is absorbed by the individual
panels. Yes, the entire car expands and contracts, but the joints
help deal with it.
=======================
Aren't 86' boxcars welded though?

I would think that the reason was stamping a small piece of metal would
be much easier than trying to stamp an entire car roof as one piece.
They needed to be stamped as the corrugations give the panels strength.
By using smaller pieces you could sub contract the stamping out and
ship the roof sections to the car shop or rip track, with a one piece
roof that would be very cumbersome to ship. In addition if a roof was
damaged, you could replace one section as opposed to having to replace
and entire one piece roof.

Dave H.


Re: Detail of AAR 1937 boxcar - Murphy and Hutchins Roofs

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Manfred Lorenz:

Why did the manufacturers use small panels anyway? Why didn't
they simply cut a sheet of steel the length of the car roof
and weld it together? Why these individual panels with the
accompanying troubles of making all those seams? Same for the sides?
Expansion and contraction, a significant dimension over a 40' car, is absorbed by the individual
panels. Yes, the entire car expands and contracts, but the joints help deal with it.

SGL


Bad News

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I drove 180 miles (round trip) to Cabela's to buy my wife a new Walleye rod only to find they don't carry that model in the store anymore. Kind of like a 37 car with round versa square ends.

I stopped at the local Super Wally World on the way home to check out the latest Craftsman only to find Ted did and article on a passenger car!

They say bad things come in threes...Now I'll turn on the TV and find the Cowboys have won...

Clark Propst


Re: The future of RP and small Resin Manufacturers?

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

IF the pattern maker is a model railroader , is also the resin caster and was the freight car design mananger for a car builder , I'm sure you will get something outstanding.
Marcelo Lordeiro

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Chapman
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:09 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: The future of RP and small Resin Manufacturers?


>>> ... if you mean eventually it will come to pass that we
everyday modeler types will be able to create masters... <<<

> NO. That is not what I mean Brian. This thread began by talking
> about compensation for making masters, and it arose that there
> are pattern makers out there who can do custom work. The problem
> with this is that the TRANSLATION from a modeler's head to a
> pattern maker's head to a resin caster's head is going to be a
> risky, error prone path.

Ahh, OK, I do see what you're saying now, I believe. Generally, I read
this list via daily Digests, and I do believe I missed the
compensation discussion at the thread's beginning.

Even now, though, the cost of using the .002" resolution system for
proof of concept is darn expensive. However, if a modeler is
well-to-do or intends to cast a number of copies to amortize costs of
a production run, it makes more sense.

I think others were saying this earlier, but I seemed to have gone off
in another direction. <g

Thanks for clarifying what you meant so that I could finally "get it."

-Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


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