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Re: MDC OT tank car frame, was new products (was BLI vs. Walthers ...): Now Champ Decals

ajfergusonca <ajferguson@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Paul LaCiura" <paul.jeseng@s...> wrote:
Champ
intentionally making very slight changes (not noticeable to most
consumers)
to their decal artwork in the past so that they could see if
someone were
"pirating" their artwork downstream.
I don't think so. The made enough compromises due to the technology
of limited "fonts"(RR roman , RR gothic)they wouldn't have to do that
and it would be inadvisable to copy their sets. This is not meant to
be a criticism, its just that we all have limitations and make
mistakes. Also a "pirate" probably couldn't produce the decals for
less than Champ as he wouldn't have the volume.(what is YOUR time
worth?) The trick is to do better than the last guy and in the last
few years in the hobby that has been happening IHC being the
exception to prove the rule.
To get back to the tank car I would think the problem with a plastic
frame and puting all the weight in the tank is the model would be top
heavy (but so was the prototype). Also how many gallons is the MDC
tank anyway? I have seen photos of Type X that looked way longer.
Allen Ferguson


Re: Details of Erie 1958 cu ft covered hoppers

Scott Pitzer
 

The side view shows
RPKD GSC CO
GV 4-1-46

which means repacked (or would that be "packed" in this case?) by Greenville Steel Car Co. at Greenville

Scott Pitzer
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Heiden <mark_heiden@...>
Side: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie21100bdb.jpg

Finally, does
anyone know who built the prototypes? I don't see a builder's
stencil in any of the photos.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden






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Re: MDC OT tank car frame, was new products (was BLI vs. Walthers ...): Now Champ Decals

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 27, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Paul LaCiura wrote:

The subject came up on the Espee group regarding the possibility of Champ
intentionally making very slight changes (not noticeable to most consumers)
to their decal artwork in the past so that they could see if someone were
"pirating" their artwork downstream.

I know the subject seems petty but I am wondering if there is any truth to
that rumor?
I've also heard that rumor, but I've never seen any evidence to confirm it. Seems pointless, anyway, as "pirating" would be very difficult to establish - after all, the designs of the heralds, slogans, etc. were the property of the prototype RRs, not of Champ or any other decal maker - and legal action against offenders would have cost far more than any amount of damages it would have been possible to recover.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Details of Erie 1958 cu ft covered hoppers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 27, 2005, at 4:02 PM, Mark Heiden wrote:

.... Any suggestions for the
trucks? I understand they are Barber Stabilized trucks, but Kato ASF-
3 trucks look close to me.
Branchline makes HO scale Barber S-2 Stabilized trucks. Kato's trucks represent ASF A-3s, which had a visibly different arrangement of built-in snubbers.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: ATSF Covered Hopper

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 27, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Bruce Brantner wrote:

I am having a problem determining exactly where the
end of car data would go on a ATSF covered hopper. I
did several Ga-52 covered hoppers. I have photos
showing the data on the sides of the car; but nothing
that showed the ends.

I am primarily concerned with the ATSF initials and
the road number. I think that they would be placed at
the top of the slope sheet, to the right (as you look
at the end). Is this correct?
Yes - on the shallow vertical plates that were just below the roof at
the top of the slope sheets.

On Ga-58s and Ga-65s, 2" RR Roman

1W WROT
STL WHLS

was stenciled on the sloping part of the slope sheets just below the
reporting marks and numbers. The photos I have of G-52s don't show
this, however, probably because they retained their original cast steel
wheels, but in later years some of them were probably retro-fitted with
wrought steel wheels and they would then have had the same stenciling
in the same location.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: ATSF Covered Hopper

Gregg Mahlkov <mahlkov@...>
 

Bruce,

This is not the same car, but is a clear view of ATSF end reporting marks on an ATSF covered hopper - the clearest one I could find on the George Elwood's site. Hope it helps:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf306894akg.jpg

Gregg Mahlkov

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Brantner" <sfcoyote_2000@...>
To: <stmfc@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF Covered Hopper


I am having a problem determining exactly where the
end of car data would go on a ATSF covered hopper. I
did several Ga-52 covered hoppers. I have photos
showing the data on the sides of the car; but nothing
that showed the ends.

I am primarily concerned with the ATSF initials and
the road number. I think that they would be placed at
the top of the slope sheet, to the right (as you look
at the end). Is this correct?

Bruce

Bruce R. Brantner, Sr.
Coyote Trails RR
Coyote Div. of SF RR



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Re: NYC modeling

William Bryk <wmbryk@...>
 

Stauffer's New York Central Power vol 2 has several photographs of NYC articulated locomotives hauling coal trains and the like.

William Bryk

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Gilbert
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NYC modeling


timboconnor@... wrote:

> There's only one possible explanation for the lack of interest
> in New York Central freight operations: they didn't own any
> articulated steam locomotives! :-)
>
Tim,

Incorrect - The B&A had in total of fourteen 2-6-6-2 Mallets built
between 1910 and 1916 by Alco. One was transferred to the NYC&HR in 1911
while the others were retired by the B&A in 1930-1932 after the Berks
arrived.

The NYC had one 0-6-6-0 built in 1913 & retired in 1932.

The NYC also had sixty 2-6-6-2's (plus the ex-B&A one) built by Alco in
four orders between 1911 and 1921. Sixteen survived WW II with the last
retired in November 1952.

They also owned nine 0-8-8-0's used for hump service. these were built
by Alco in two orders 1915 & 1921 of which eight survived WW II barely -
all eight retired in May 1947.

Tim Gilbert



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Re: Barrett car

gary laakso
 

When W&R imported the 10,000 gallon ACF high walkway tankcar, Micorscale
did a set of silver decals for the Barrett car, MC-4213.


Re: MDC OT tank car frame, was new products (was BLI vs. Walthers ...): Now Champ Decals

Paul LaCiura <paul.jeseng@...>
 

Richard,

Not to diverge from the current thread but...................

The subject came up on the Espee group regarding the possibility of Champ
intentionally making very slight changes (not noticeable to most consumers)
to their decal artwork in the past so that they could see if someone were
"pirating" their artwork downstream.

I know the subject seems petty but I am wondering if there is any truth to
that rumor? Not trying to create any trouble but I am interested. I have
quite a few sets and the thought has occurred to me when I browse through my
collection of Champ freight car decals, particularly SP freight and
passenger car decals.

Paul LaCiura
San Francisco, CA
Spdaylight.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:40 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: MDC OT tank car frame, was new products (was BLI
vs. Walthers ...)

On Sep 27, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Dean Payne wrote:

.... There was a Sunset 3-dome tank in
a garish paint scheme on ebay, it is gone now. Were all the Type
11's 3-dome?
No. As Bruce Smith posted, most were single compartment 8K and 10K
gal. cars (the Sunset models were 8K).

Assuming one could find one "cheap", how could one re-
letter one, besides the PRR? Microscale has nothing, Champ makes a D-
X gasoline set (but I don't know what era it is from). I don't see
Associated or Mid-Continent (two petroleum shippers that had them
in "large numbers", as stated in an earlier post.)
The Champ Mid-Continent D-X set is good for the late steam era. Other
owners included Gulf Oil, Interstate Tank Car Co., Keith Tank LIne,
Lion Oil Co., Mobilgas, National Oil Co., Oil States Tank Car Corp. (a
subsidiary of Mid-Continent D-X), Sinclair, Sun Oil, Texaco (whose cars
eventually went into the General American fleet), and Union Oil of
Calif. Lots of possibilities there, especially since many were black
cars lettered only with reporting marks, numbers, and data.

What does it take
to "rework"?
In addition to the modifications listed by Elden Gatwood, I've replaced
the flimsy, oversize stamped brass sill steps with flat wire steps.
Also, depending on the era you model, you may want to change the air
brakes to KC and replace the trucks (most of the prototype cars came
with Andrews or had their original arch bars changed to Andrews before
ca. 1940). The necessary mods can be carried out by anyone who can
solder, especially if you a have a resistance soldering tool.

Richard Hendrickson





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ATSF Covered Hopper

Bruce
 

I am having a problem determining exactly where the
end of car data would go on a ATSF covered hopper. I
did several Ga-52 covered hoppers. I have photos
showing the data on the sides of the car; but nothing
that showed the ends.

I am primarily concerned with the ATSF initials and
the road number. I think that they would be placed at
the top of the slope sheet, to the right (as you look
at the end). Is this correct?

Bruce

Bruce R. Brantner, Sr.
Coyote Trails RR
Coyote Div. of SF RR



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Re: Barrett car

Richard Townsend
 

It's what amounts to a covered hopper, converted from a tank car by adding slope sheets internally, bottom discharge gates, and hatches on top. Used for hauling roofing gravel. I have a copy of a Railway Age (I think) article about them at home. I'll try to get to it when I can.

--
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

"hoghead32" <buckfiveoh@...> wrote:

I just posted a picture of a Barrett tankcar taken in 1961. It surely
is an odd duck. This crop of a larger photo is the best I can do at
present. Would anyone out there have any information on this car. The
Md. and Pa RR at this time was hauling slate granules; could this be a
covered hopper?

It is the last photo in the Photo File. Thanks for any info!

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Details of Erie 1958 cu ft covered hoppers

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm making a shopping list of detail parts to model a pair of Erie
1958 cu ft covered hoppers, using Bowser 55600 kits as the basis.
From what I can tell, these cars were part of series 21100-21199,
built in 1946. Prototype photos are on Fallen Flags at:

B-end: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie21100adb.jpg
Side: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie21100bdb.jpg
3/4 side: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie21100cdb.jpg

The brakewheel is a Universal type (there's a photo and story on
page 14 of the September 1996 issue of RMJ)that I've never seen
before. Is there a part available for this? The running boards are
by Gypsum, and Plano 090 seems to be a match. This part is made for
the MDC car; will it fit the Bowser model? Any suggestions for the
trucks? I understand they are Barber Stabilized trucks, but Kato ASF-
3 trucks look close to me. For decals I am thinking of Champ HC-
72. Are these correct for this series of cars? Finally, does
anyone know who built the prototypes? I don't see a builder's
stencil in any of the photos.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: MDC OT tank car frame, was new products (was BLI vs. Walthers ...)

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 27, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Dean Payne wrote:

.... There was a Sunset 3-dome tank in
a garish paint scheme on ebay, it is gone now. Were all the Type
11's 3-dome?
No. As Bruce Smith posted, most were single compartment 8K and 10K gal. cars (the Sunset models were 8K).

Assuming one could find one "cheap", how could one re-
letter one, besides the PRR? Microscale has nothing, Champ makes a D-
X gasoline set (but I don't know what era it is from). I don't see
Associated or Mid-Continent (two petroleum shippers that had them
in "large numbers", as stated in an earlier post.)
The Champ Mid-Continent D-X set is good for the late steam era. Other owners included Gulf Oil, Interstate Tank Car Co., Keith Tank LIne, Lion Oil Co., Mobilgas, National Oil Co., Oil States Tank Car Corp. (a subsidiary of Mid-Continent D-X), Sinclair, Sun Oil, Texaco (whose cars eventually went into the General American fleet), and Union Oil of Calif. Lots of possibilities there, especially since many were black cars lettered only with reporting marks, numbers, and data.

What does it take
to "rework"?
In addition to the modifications listed by Elden Gatwood, I've replaced the flimsy, oversize stamped brass sill steps with flat wire steps. Also, depending on the era you model, you may want to change the air brakes to KC and replace the trucks (most of the prototype cars came with Andrews or had their original arch bars changed to Andrews before ca. 1940). The necessary mods can be carried out by anyone who can solder, especially if you a have a resistance soldering tool.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: NYC modeling

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

timboconnor@... wrote:

There's only one possible explanation for the lack of interest
in New York Central freight operations: they didn't own any
articulated steam locomotives! :-)
Tim,

Incorrect - The B&A had in total of fourteen 2-6-6-2 Mallets built between 1910 and 1916 by Alco. One was transferred to the NYC&HR in 1911 while the others were retired by the B&A in 1930-1932 after the Berks arrived.

The NYC had one 0-6-6-0 built in 1913 & retired in 1932.

The NYC also had sixty 2-6-6-2's (plus the ex-B&A one) built by Alco in four orders between 1911 and 1921. Sixteen survived WW II with the last retired in November 1952.

They also owned nine 0-8-8-0's used for hump service. these were built by Alco in two orders 1915 & 1921 of which eight survived WW II barely - all eight retired in May 1947.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Naperville Price

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Dave,
I think you're to use his PO box with your entry fee. I do beleive
you can pay at the door.
Clark propst


--- In STMFC@..., "Dave Nelson" <muskoka@c...> wrote:
What does Martin charge for attending? And does he use his usual
address
for taking such paymnets or does this one get a special PO box? Oh,
and is
it safe to assume one can still gain admission? I want to take care
of
everything today.

Dave Nelson


Re: MILW 40' combo door PS-1

SamClarke
 

Hello Mr. McCoy,

From the few photos we have on this MILW series of PS-1s here is a little
more information.
MILW series 29000-29499 is a 500 car order from PS lot 8449. The cars
from 29000 to 29399 came with Camel Youngtown sliding doors and cars from
29400 to 29499 had Superior doors. Our photos does not show the running
board very clear but what we see it looks like an Apex type of pattern. The
hand brake, direct side view, looks like an Equipco E-989. The trucks are
Barber S-2-A. The cars had nailable steel floors and were plywood lined. The
rivet pattern along the side sill should tell you where the larger cross
beams were located for the underframe and since this was a later production
car, more than likely there were three floor runners running the full length
of the floor on each side of the centerbeam but without the particular
underframe drawings there is no way to tell.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill McCoy" <bugsy451@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:22 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: MILW 40' combo door PS-1


Ben, Thanks, I plan to use only the McKean underbody platform sans
bolsters and coupler pockets. It does have 3 longitudinal stringers
on each side which I think is right for the PS-1 which I will try to
save or replace with Evergreen strips. I've completed the side sill
modifications and they look pretty good. It really changes the car.
I had planned to use the Intermountain 40' PS-1 frame and some IM
details and kadee #78 couplers, ladders and roofwalk.

Bill McCoy
Jax

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@w...> wrote:
Bill McCoy asked:
"A couple of months ago the group helped me identify a prototype
for
my McKean 40' combo plug/8' sliding door PS-1 box car (MILW 29000 -
29499). The biggest change to be made are to the side sills. I've
completed that. <<snip>> The builders photo leaves some questions
I
need to get answers for.
<<snip>>
2. Would the crossbearers have been relocated or does the side
sill
fishbelly take care of this?"

Depends on how much work you want to put into the car, as the side
sill
will hide much of the detail. Be advised that McKean reused the
underframe from their GN double door boxcar for their PS-1 models,
so
what you have may need to be reworked if you want to make it
correct
for a PS-1.


Ben Hom





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1944 AAR box car kits for sale

eabracher@...
 

i have three C&BT Shops D&RGW 40' box car kits for sale.

$30 for the lot includes shipping to US address.
Contact me OFF list if interested.

eabracher@...


Re: Barrett car

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

I've seen another photo somewhere of a Barret tank with two different
size domes. We used to refer to it as the dome and half tank car. I
kitbashed a crude model of it many, many years ago.

I believe that Barret was a major supplier of tar for the paving
asphalt industry. Their product name, on the side of the cars, was
"Barret Tarvia".

Champ made decals for this car in HO. I don't know if they are still
available, but their plan book provides details on what the decals
looked like.

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
hoghead32
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Barrett car

I just posted a picture of a Barrett tankcar taken in 1961. It surely
is an odd duck. This crop of a larger photo is the best I can do at
present. Would anyone out there have any information on this car. The
Md. and Pa RR at this time was hauling slate granules; could this be a
covered hopper?

It is the last photo in the Photo File. Thanks for any info!


Barrett again

hoghead32 <buckfiveoh@...>
 

I posted a second picture of the car in question. And the photo was in
fact made in April, 1960.


Barrett car

hoghead32 <buckfiveoh@...>
 

I just posted a picture of a Barrett tankcar taken in 1961. It surely
is an odd duck. This crop of a larger photo is the best I can do at
present. Would anyone out there have any information on this car. The
Md. and Pa RR at this time was hauling slate granules; could this be a
covered hopper?

It is the last photo in the Photo File. Thanks for any info!

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