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Re: Ladders with attached stirrups

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Denny,

Tichy part # 1010

https://www.tichytraingroup.com/index.php?page=view_product.php&id=115&
category=Freight+Car+Parts


regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Denny Anspach
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:40 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Ladders with attached stirrups

Does anyone know who manufactures freight car side ladders with the
stirrups attached, if anyone? I seem to recall that these have been
produced in styrene or Delrin, but I cannot yet locate them in any of
the usual haunts.

Thanks!

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento





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Re: Ladders with attached stirrups

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Denny,

Tichy has some. You can also buy Intermountain parts separately, and their PS-1 ladders have attached steps.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Denny Anspach wrote:

Does anyone know who manufactures freight car side ladders with the stirrups attached, if anyone? I seem to recall that these have been produced in styrene or Delrin, but I cannot yet locate them in any of the usual haunts.

Thanks!

Denny


Re: Ladders with attached stirrups

Greg Martin
 

Denny,

I my memory serves me they were on the McKeen PS-1 box car kit. Their may have been others.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:40:03 -0700
Subject: [STMFC] Ladders with attached stirrups


Does anyone know who manufactures freight car side ladders with the
stirrups attached, if anyone? I seem to recall that these have been
produced in styrene or Delrin, but I cannot yet locate them in any of
the usual haunts.

Thanks!

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento




Yahoo! Groups Links


Ladders with attached stirrups

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Does anyone know who manufactures freight car side ladders with the stirrups attached, if anyone? I seem to recall that these have been produced in styrene or Delrin, but I cannot yet locate them in any of the usual haunts.

Thanks!

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: liquid chocolate cars - Milk Cars in the Southeast

Pieter Roos
 

Baker had both steel Pfaudler cars (I'm pretty sure they were the
40' versions) and the National Car milk containers on flats, all
with Baker lettering and graphics. Photos of the cars appeared in
the NHRHTA "Shoreliner", I'll have to look up the issue at home. I
don't know if they operated outside New England, but I'll see if the
article covers that information.

"Mars" and "Snickers" paint schemes appeared the 40' wood Pfaudler
cars, but in the late 1920's - 1930's period.

I suspect the "Eversweet" cars are your best bet, although there
have been threads about South Eastern rail milkservice on the Milk
Trains group. Particularly Seminole Dairy of Jacksonville, Fl. who
had at least one 40 ft wood Pfaudler car (late 1920's period).

Pieter Roos

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill McCoy" <bugsy451@c...> wrote:
I'll do it, Thanks.

Bill McCoy
Jax

--- In STMFC@..., Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@s...> wrote:
Bill McCoy wrote:

Tim, Were these the steel GAC - Pfaulder cars or the wood
cars.
Did
they keep their Hood lettering? Any idea where the chocolate
cars
operated?

There was a thread on the Milk trains group last July 24th
(look
under
Eversweet) about the announced Athearn Eversweet milk reefers
GACX 969
and 977 that were apparently in service between Frost Proof,
FL
and
Lyons, IL (Chicago). The consensus was real paint scheme but
mediocre
model. Wonder if Walthers will do this car? I model the SE
1949 -
1967
and want to justify a couple of milk reefers.
Bill,

Best check for answers with the Milk Trains Group for their
expertise.
My OJ-Hood info came from that group.

Tim Gilbert


Re: NKP Car Movements

Bill Darnaby
 

Thanks for the data, Bill!

Interesting; it appears that all of the cars of meal originated east of
Frankfort, and then headed back east. Not a single one of these cars is to
or from the west.

Ray Breyer
Since I posted the list I figured out more about the load origination, if you will. As I was speculating, the notation xtown referred to the local elevator the originated the raw beans. You will note that a couple of raw bean loads came from multiple elevators. Most of the meal loads without this notation had another notation that I had difficulty in deciphering so I didn't include it on the list. In hand written script it looked like Loctonnye...a town I'd never heard of...but I figured out it meant Loc tonnage for local tonnage or beans Swift had in their stockpile. I will include this notation in the future.

Most of the meal was shipped bagged. The facility and loaded cars can be seen on the cover and on page 103 of Nickel Plate Publicity Photos Vol 2. As noted in the list some meal was shipped bulk...apparently blown into the car. Sometimes the number of grain doors used was indicated. I am discovering that grain doors were a commodity. There were bought and paid for by the railroads and they kept track of them. I have records of otherwise empty boxcars with anywhere from a dozen to over 100 grain doors being returned to the VAN or CIL connection in Frankfort. These would have come to Swift with loads of raw beans and were collected after the cars were emptied.

Bill Darnaby


Re: NKP Car Movements

Ray Breyer <rbreyer@...>
 

Thanks for the data, Bill!

Interesting; it appears that all of the cars of meal originated east of
Frankfort, and then headed back east. Not a single one of these cars is to
or from the west.

Ray Breyer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
william darnaby
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:20 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] NKP Car Movements

Ok guys...here it is. I'm a little late because I was out of town. First,
a bit of explaination. This data was hand written on 5x7 note pad sheets by
somebody in the Swift & Co traffic dept and given to the NKP. Each sheet
has a stamp "received Nickel Plate Road, date, Frankfort, IND". I tried to
use the abbreviations used on the sheets. Where "VAN" appears it refers to
the PRR Vandalia lines with which the NKP had an interchange at the east end
of the yard. These cars were taken directly to the interchange. The
"xtown" indication refers, I believe, to where the load of raw beans
originated. The beans apparently arrived at Swift in Frankfort in other
cars and were processed into meal and sent on. All of the originating
locations were local elevators, some on the NKP, some not. I guess the
local elevator did not have milling capability and used Swift to sell bean
meal. After I got into these particular lists I noticed that there many
27000 series NKP cars. During this time the NKP was rebuilding double
sheathed cars into these cars at Frankfort so these loads were probably the
first loads for these cars. The next time I will pick a different time to
avoid this and get more interesting car numbers.


Re: Home Road Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim, I thought that was pretty much an established factoid -- on
railroad <fill-in-the-blank> the number of foreign box cars on line
exceeded the number of home road box cars on line.

The total home/foreign percentages are always distorted by lots
of home road cars that do less roaming -- like gondolas & hoppers.
And CB&Q had a lot of those. Photos that I've seen of CB&Q
"merchandise" trains usually show plenty of foreign cars.

I think 1958-1960 were major recession years, no? But why 1942
would have been such a year, I don't know. Contrary to what I'd
expect just based on rapidly rising traffic levels in 1942.

Tim O'Connor

Whoever you are, between 1940 and 1960, the percent of CB&Q-owned
freight cars at home as a percent of Total Freight Cars on Line was
above 50% in only six (1940-1942 & 1958-1960) of the 21 years. This
percentage is a total. The percentage of CB&Q-owned boxcars on home
rails as a percentage of total boxcars on the CB&Q was even less. Which
means that that more foreign road boxcars were on the CB&Q than CB&Q's
own boxcars.


Re: Illinois Central Quad Hoppers

Ray Breyer <rbreyer@...>
 

Did the Illinois Central operate any 40' quad hoppers during the steam
era? If so, what were their numbers, capacities, date of introduction etc?

Yep; lots of them. I have the following data on IC triples:

Diagram, 80000-80299 series cars, built 1927.
Diagram, 81000-81744 series cars, built 1929.
Diagram, 81734-81739 series cars, built 1930 (actually quad hoppers)
Diagram, 81790-81799 series cars, built 1947 (originally Peabody Coal,
bought by IC in 1957)
Builder's photo, 212799, new 11-27
In service photo, 82351, built 5-33
1950 ORER listing, 75000-78959, 80000-80298 and 81000-81744 series cars, all
41' IL.

What is the best starting point for a model?
Probably the Stewart or new Accurail triple offset hopper.

Hope this helps!

Ray Breyer


Re: Home Road Boxcars

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

estcbq@... wrote:

by all means--anything CBQ
Whoever you are, between 1940 and 1960, the percent of CB&Q-owned freight cars at home as a percent of Total Freight Cars on Line was above 50% in only six (1940-1942 & 1958-1960) of the 21 years. This percentage is a total. The percentage of CB&Q-owned boxcars on home rails as a percentage of total boxcars on the CB&Q was even less. Which means that that more foreign road boxcars were on the CB&Q than CB&Q's own boxcars.

Tim Gilbert


Re: liquid chocolate cars - Milk Cars in the Southeast

Bill McCoy <bugsy451@...>
 

I'll do it, Thanks.

Bill McCoy
Jax

--- In STMFC@..., Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@s...> wrote:
Bill McCoy wrote:

Tim, Were these the steel GAC - Pfaulder cars or the wood cars.
Did
they keep their Hood lettering? Any idea where the chocolate cars
operated?

There was a thread on the Milk trains group last July 24th (look
under
Eversweet) about the announced Athearn Eversweet milk reefers
GACX 969
and 977 that were apparently in service between Frost Proof, FL
and
Lyons, IL (Chicago). The consensus was real paint scheme but
mediocre
model. Wonder if Walthers will do this car? I model the SE 1949 -
1967
and want to justify a couple of milk reefers.
Bill,

Best check for answers with the Milk Trains Group for their
expertise.
My OJ-Hood info came from that group.

Tim Gilbert


Re: liquid chocolate cars - Milk Cars in the Southeast

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Bill McCoy wrote:

Tim, Were these the steel GAC - Pfaulder cars or the wood cars. Did
they keep their Hood lettering? Any idea where the chocolate cars
operated?

There was a thread on the Milk trains group last July 24th (look under
Eversweet) about the announced Athearn Eversweet milk reefers GACX 969
and 977 that were apparently in service between Frost Proof, FL and
Lyons, IL (Chicago). The consensus was real paint scheme but mediocre
model. Wonder if Walthers will do this car? I model the SE 1949 - 1967
and want to justify a couple of milk reefers.
Bill,

Best check for answers with the Milk Trains Group for their expertise. My OJ-Hood info came from that group.

Tim Gilbert


Re: liquid chocolate cars - Milk Cars in the Southeast

Bill McCoy <bugsy451@...>
 

Tim, Were these the steel GAC - Pfaulder cars or the wood cars. Did
they keep their Hood lettering? Any idea where the chocolate cars
operated?

There was a thread on the Milk trains group last July 24th (look under
Eversweet) about the announced Athearn Eversweet milk reefers GACX 969
and 977 that were apparently in service between Frost Proof, FL and
Lyons, IL (Chicago). The consensus was real paint scheme but mediocre
model. Wonder if Walthers will do this car? I model the SE 1949 - 1967
and want to justify a couple of milk reefers.

Bill McCoy
Jax

--- In STMFC@..., Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@s...> wrote:
up4479 wrote:

Well we know that wine cars roamed around the country far and
wide.
How about liquid chocolate cars as in Baker's Chocolate? They had
regular tank cars and also used Phaudler "milk" cars. Their plant
was
in Boston but do we know how far west or south they roamed?
As the milk business by rail declined in the 1950's, Hood leased
some
GPEX "milk tank cars" to carry orange juice from Dunedin FL to
Boston.

Tim Gilbert


Illinois Central Quad Hoppers

Richard White
 

Did the Illinois Central operate any 40' quad hoppers during the steam era?
If so, what were their numbers, capacities, date of introduction etc?
What is the best starting point for a model?
Thank you all in advance
Richard White



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Re: liquid chocolate cars - Milk Cars in the Southeast

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

up4479 wrote:

Well we know that wine cars roamed around the country far and wide. How about liquid chocolate cars as in Baker's Chocolate? They had
regular tank cars and also used Phaudler "milk" cars. Their plant was
in Boston but do we know how far west or south they roamed?
As the milk business by rail declined in the 1950's, Hood leased some GPEX "milk tank cars" to carry orange juice from Dunedin FL to Boston.

Tim Gilbert


liquid chocolate cars

up4479
 

Well we know that wine cars roamed around the country far and wide.
How about liquid chocolate cars as in Baker's Chocolate? They had
regular tank cars and also used Phaudler "milk" cars. Their plant was
in Boston but do we know how far west or south they roamed?
Steve Solombrino


NKP Car Movements

Bill Darnaby
 

Ok guys...here it is. I'm a little late because I was out of town. First, a bit of explaination. This data was hand written on 5x7 note pad sheets by somebody in the Swift & Co traffic dept and given to the NKP. Each sheet has a stamp "received Nickel Plate Road, date, Frankfort, IND". I tried to use the abbreviations used on the sheets. Where "VAN" appears it refers to the PRR Vandalia lines with which the NKP had an interchange at the east end of the yard. These cars were taken directly to the interchange. The "xtown" indication refers, I believe, to where the load of raw beans originated. The beans apparently arrived at Swift in Frankfort in other cars and were processed into meal and sent on. All of the originating locations were local elevators, some on the NKP, some not. I guess the local elevator did not have milling capability and used Swift to sell bean meal. After I got into these particular lists I noticed that there many 27000 series NKP cars. During this time the NKP was rebuilding double sheathed cars into these cars at Frankfort so these loads were probably the first loads for these cars. The next time I will pick a different time to avoid this and get more interesting car numbers. The list is best viewed on the full screen.


DATE CAR LOAD ROUTING

6-2-48 NKP 27736 bean meal VAN-Goodrich Bro,Winchester,IN via PRR

NKP 16779 bean meal VAN-H D Shaw, Cedar Springs, MI via PRR
xClayton, IN
MILW 70853 bean meal VAN-Urbana Mills, Urbana, OH via PRR
xManson, IN
PRR 104426 bean meal VAN-Buhner Co, Louisville via PRR-B4
xCamden, IN
SHPX 7828 bean oil E F Drew Co,Boonton, NJ via NKP/Buf-DLW

NATX 1227 bean oil Lever Bro, Edgewater, NJ via NKP/Buf-Erie-NYSW

NKP 27733 bean meal Gen Mills, Toledo, OH, via NKP-TT
xMichigantown, IN
6-3-48 GM&O 8468 bean meal VAN-Wooster Jct Mfg, Wooster, OH via PRR-B&O
xClayton, IN
NKP 27737 bean meal VAN-Urbana Mills, Urbana, OH via PRR
xManson
NKP 27738 bean meal VAN-Buhner Ferts, Seymour, IN via PRR-B&O
xFora, IN
SHPX 4021 bean oil E F Drew Co,Boonton, NJ via NKP/Buf-DLW

6-4-48 GATX 21852 bean oil Procter&Gamble, Ivorydale, OH NKP/Indpls-NYC

NKP 27742 bulk meal Parke-Pollard, Black Rock, NY NKP-NYC
xKokomo
NKP 27732 bulk meal Parke-Pollard, Black Rock, NY NKP-NYC
xKokomo

6-7-48 IC 18954 meal VAN-Jackson Cty Farm Bureau Coop, Seymour, IN PRR-B&O

NKP 27742 bulk meal Parke-Pollard, Black Rock, NY NKP-NYC
xMichigantown
IC 20295 meal Foster Canning Co, Napoleon, OH, NKP-DTI
xTab, IN
NKP 13301 meal Acme Evans Co, Indianapolis-NKP

SHPX 8974 bean oil E F Drew Co,Boonton, NJ via NKP/Buf-DLW

6-8-48 NKP 27740 meal VAN-Owasso Coal&Elevator, Owasso MI PRR-MC
xSummitville, IN stop off Jackson,MI,Mich Mills, GTW Dely Owasso
NKP 17659 meal Lafayette Co-op Elev, NKP
xAlexandria, IN
NKP 27745 meal Cooperative Mills, Buffalo, BC dely
xBennets-Noblesville-Cicero-Arcadia
NKP 27741 meal Blissfield Co-op, Blissfield, MI NKP-NYC

GATX 16139 bean oil Proctor&Gamble, Portsmouth, VA NKP/Indpls-B4-N&W

6-9-48 CN 522526 meal VAN-H Van Patten Co, Allen, MI PRR-NYC
xBrazil, IN
MKT 79005 meal VAN-Urbana Mills, Urbana, OH via PRR
xManson
SHPX 20647 bean oil E F Drew Co,Boonton, NJ via NKP/Buf-DLW

NKP 17310 meal Dayette Mills, Cooch, Del, NKP-PRR
xArcadia&Cicero
NKP 16920 meal United Gr. Co., Rossburg, OH NKP-NYC

6-10-48 IC 33626 meal VAN-Urbana Mills, Urbana, OH via PRR
xFlora, IN
KCS 18257 meal The Glidden Co, Indianapolis NKP

NKP 27752 meal R S Altman, Troy, OH NKP/Lima-B&O

NKP 13370 meal R S Altman, Troy, OH NKP/Lima-B&O

6-11-48 NH 34114 meal The Glidden Co, Indianapolis NKP

SHPX 8932 bean oil E F Drew Co,Boonton, NJ via NKP/Buf-DLW

GATX 22191 bean oil Lever Bro, Edgewater, NJ via NKP/Buf-Erie-NYSW

NKP 27746 meal P R Markley, Rohrestown, PA NKP-PRR
xCicero-Arcadia-Hobbs
NKP 27747 meal Elkhart Co Farm Bureau, Goshen, IN NKP-NYC

6-17-48 NKP 27760 bulk meal VAN-Hubbard Milling, Economy, PA via PRR
xCamden, IN 12 doors
SWTX 7790 bean oil VAN-Swift&Co Refinery, Port Newark, NJ via PRR

ISTX 701 XT Capitol City Prod Co, Columbus, OH NKP-B4

NKP 27765 ??? A K Zinn & Co, Battle Creek, MI NKP/MichCity-MC

6-22-48 GATX 13668 bean oil Proctor&Gamble, Portsmouth, VA NKP/Indpls-B4-N&W

GATX 29124 bean oil Proctor&Gamble, Portsmouth, VA NKP/Indpls-B4-N&W

NKP 27769 bulk meal Hidden ? Mills, Indianapolis NKP

NKP 27772 bulk meal Hidden ? Mills, Indianapolis NKP

NKP 27771 bulk meal Co-op Gr ? Mills, Buffalo, via NKP-BC dely


New Southern O scale kits now ready

Jim King <jimking3@...>
 

Both O scale Southern Railway kits that I described about 10 days ago
are now available for shipment. The web page has been updated with
model pix and prices. The link is below.

One kit is of the 41' flat car, the other is the composite gon made from
the flat. The flat ran in revenue service from 1925 into the mid-60s;
the gon from 1928 to the early 60s.

Please support your favorite dealer if he carries O scale or will
special order for you. Otherwise, order direct from us using PayPal,
Visa/MC, check or money order. Shipping is $8 per order via USPS
Priority.

Jim King
Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.
http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: X29 brakes

Rob Adams
 

Clark/Ben;

The CGW 87000-89998 series did have AB brakes as built (and the arrangement differed from the Pennsy component standards), but the earlier 1931-built CGW series, 85000-85998 (even), and 86000-89998 (even) both had KC brakes. If you have Mark Vandercook's book, "An American Journey", there are two good pics of CGW ARA box cars on pages 70 and 71. They were taken in Omaha, NE. (These photos are also on-line, and I imagine one of the more organized historians out there can supply the URL's). At any rate, the photos clearly show KC brakes on CGW 86050 and some of its mates.

I also have the Northwestern Lines article that Clark mentions, and while it contains a great deal of excellent information, there are some errors and inconsistencies in it. The most problematic is that the 89000-89998 series cars discussed in the article are really a variant of the 1932 ARA box car, and should not be considered as similar to the other CGW series mentioned above. As many of us know, the mere act of publishing something seems to ensure that even more/better information will become available, highlighting any errors in our original effort. To be sure, Mr. Follmar's article from the early 90's is still a valuable reference for those interested in the distinctive CGW cars and I remain appreciative of his effort.

Kind regards, Rob Adams



rockroll50401 wrote:

Another possible complication is the original K brake arrangement of
the CGW cars. Ben Hom
Ben,
It's possible all the CGW cars come with AB brakes. The CNWHS had an
article on these cars with a builders photo of a 87000 series car
stenciled "expreimental AB brake system" or something like that. But,
the 87s were the last series bought.
There was a CGW car at Corralville IA (Iowa City) on the Iowa
Interstate. It was in CNW MoW gray. I believe the car is now in
Dubuque? I took photos of it at CV for someone and they told me the
original number, but I don't remember anything, so why did I even type
this paragraph??
Thanks Ben,
Clark Propst
--
Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@...
Modeling Keokuk, IA operations and the CB&Q's K&W branch, circa 1938
http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com


Re: X29 brakes

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Another possible complication is the original K brake arrangement of
the CGW cars.
Ben Hom
Ben,
It's possible all the CGW cars come with AB brakes. The CNWHS had an
article on these cars with a builders photo of a 87000 series car
stenciled "expreimental AB brake system" or something like that. But,
the 87s were the last series bought.
There was a CGW car at Corralville IA (Iowa City) on the Iowa
Interstate. It was in CNW MoW gray. I believe the car is now in
Dubuque? I took photos of it at CV for someone and they told me the
original number, but I don't remember anything, so why did I even type
this paragraph??
Thanks Ben,
Clark Propst

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