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Re: Bil Darnaby's List of 1949 Boxcar Movements from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Mike:

First, look as when the Monon bought steel boxcars. The second group of
steel cars (1 - 500) was coming on line at about the time of Bill's
data. That second group still made the total less than 1000. The wood
boxcar fleet was in bad shape and it is doubtful they ran far from home
in very large numbers.

I think your conductor logs are from Mr. Query whom I have met long ago.
Take into consideration the trains that he ran on. On the MONON I think
the train assignment would have a lot to do with what cars were seen.
Remember the through freight (I don't recall the number) that did not
handle open top cars?

As far as the dump cars go, I seem to recall Cookie or Ron Marquardt
talking about a steady move of some sort of rubble or stone byproduct
from around the quarries at Monon, IN shipped a couple of cars loads at
a time in dump cars.. I think they ended up on local trains and the
cars were dumped by the local crews as fill along the right of way or at
a construction site. A nice touch from an opertions standpoint. I need
to find my notes on that one.

You are right through, the MONON didn't have a lot of boxcars, but
surely some of them got to Frankfort on the NKP. That was the closest
point to return on the NKP from the east.

Mont Switzer

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from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Mont and all,

One thing I've noticed about the 1948 Monon
conductor's log I'm going through is the lack of Monon
boxcars in general. Plenty of gons and hoppers, but
boxcars are under represented as a proportion of the
Monon fleet: only 4 cars out of 52. Even Air Dump
cars show up more often! Maybe this goes to Tim's
theory on boxcar usage.

Mike

ps-if I can get my confounded webmail to work, I found
some interesting Canadian boxcar moves-maybe later
today.

--- Montford Switzer <ZOE@IQUEST.NET> wrote:

Responding to Tim Gilbert:

Tim,

Your points are well taken. Do we know who
determined what car was
loaded to what destination?

Note that there were no MONON cars loaded when I'm
sure they were around
being that close to home rails and all. My guess is
when the NKP got a
MONON car that close to home rails (MONON and NKP
both ran through
Frankfort and the NKP had 2 other interchanges with
the MONON within 30
miles) they returned it empty rather than pay
charges while the car sat
at Swift for loading.

Also, take a look at the routing on the NKP owned
cars. Those routings
look a lot cleaner to me, many totally on line or
with significant miles
on the NKP.

Then look at what the MONON got:

- SR, GM&O cars of a 20 mile on line haul
- RI car south on the PRR via Indinapaolis
- NH, IC car to southern Indiana on a MONON branch
-SOO car to an NYC destination in Michigan

Car selection seems to be random except for the NKP
cars/routings.

I would think that Bill's data has helped you with
boxcars and tank cars

carrying bean oil; the data has not shown the
distribution of owners
among hoppers, gons, reefers or tank cars carrying
different commodities

than bean meal.

Yes, but I have other sources for this. Also, the
MONON used a lot of
home road cars specially equipped for some of the
regular moves. As I
mentioned among them were TV cabinets, coke, foundry
sand and Indiana
coal on the Indianapolis line. I also need to work
on GTW boxcars for
inbound newsprint.

Tim Gilbert





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FGE flat top reefers

ed_mines
 

In the book "Eastern Steam Pictorial" by Bert Pennypacker there's a
photo of Lehigh Valley train with a solid block of what appears to
be identical reefers with no icing platforms or "ribs" on the roof.

Suncoast offered a model of a FGE car with these details in the '70s.

I've seen very few (if any) photos of these flat roofed FGE cars
although the Suncoast instructions indicate that the cars were part
of large series. They also offered similar WFE cars with a roof
similar to the "outside metal" roof on PFE cars.

Did these flat roofs ever show individual boards or were they
covered with something like tar paper?

Were these flat roof cars later rebuilt with a roofer similar to the
Accurail reefer? What's the name of that Accurail roof? That same
type of roof is on the old AHM double sheathed auto box car.

There are some locomotive drawings in the back of "Eastern Steam
Pictorial" from a young draftman named Lawrence Jackman. I've heard
that this is the same Lawrence Jackman who panned for gold in
Alaska, built the transcontinental railroad and made butter in Iowa.

Ed Mines


Re: Bil Darnaby's List of 1949 Boxcar Movements from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Michael Aufderheide
 

Tim,

Thanks for the information. I haven't done it, but it
will be interesting to see if the Monon boxcar
percentage in this log matched the national despite
being on the home road.

The log covers the middle division between Lafayette
and Bloomington. The first entry is from 8/21/48 and
the last I have input is 12/9/48. About a third of
the trains are locals, a third through-freights and a
third extras (likely through as well) This covers
about 23 trains and 690 cars. I have about half of
what I copied at the Monon Society put into excel.
Much of what remains are coal trains on the Midland
branch. If this is useful to anyone, I'd be happy to
post it.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

--- Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@sunlink.net> wrote:

Mike Aufderheide wrote:

One thing I've noticed about the 1948 Monon
conductor's log I'm going through is the lack of
Monon
boxcars in general. Plenty of gons and hoppers,
but
boxcars are under represented as a proportion of
the
Monon fleet: only 4 cars out of 52. Even Air
Dump
cars show up more often! Maybe this goes to
Tim's
theory on boxcar usage.
Mike,

Not so much theory because, in the 1948 PROCEEDINGS
OF THE AAR'S
SUPERINTENDENTS' CONVENTION which provided January 1
data for percent
home cars on line for both all types and boxcars. On
12/31/1947, there
were 1,999,441 cars owned by Class I RR's and
private car lines or
shippers in the US, but there were only 1,901,963
freight cars on line
in the US according to the ICC's 1947 ANNUAL REPORT
OF STATISTICS OF
RAILWAYS IN THE US. To keep things simple, I will
use the 1,999,443
total in the table below:

Home Foreign
Total % at Home
Total Freight Cars 799,776 1,199,665
1,999,441 40.0% Given
less: Privately Owned Cars - 265,250
265,250 0.0%
RR-Owned Cars 799,776 934,415
1,734,191 46.1%
Calculated
less: Boxcars 142,468 584,414
726,882 19.6% Given
All Other RR Car Types 657,308 350,001
1,007,309 65.3%
Calculated

Because the MONON was a short haul railroad, I
suspect that the
percentage of MONON Boxcars on the home line of
total boxcars on the
Monon was much less than the national 19.6% average.
4 MONON boxcars out
of a total of 52 cars could be extraordinarily high
once hoppers, gons,
MOW cars, etc. were eliminated to determine how many
boxcars there were
in your Conductor's Log - more so if the Log
recorded through freights.

Regarding your 1948 MONON Conductor's Log, can you
advise what
"division" of the MONON it covered? Were they
through or local freights?
Between what month and day did the Log begin and
end?

Thanks, Tim Gilbert



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Fallen Flags Website/Rutland

Justin Kahn
 

Is my mind already starting to go, or has George Elwood's website deleted views? I had gotten the idea of converting a Rutland #4000 series woodside gondola, using an extra 40' flat (from the CDS lettering for the same) and was sure I had found a nice scan of one on his website several months back. I just went to look again (now that I am about to start construction) and the Rutland selection is thin, indeed: very little rolling stock
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

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Re: 1930s GBW boxcar lettering

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

GBW #8020 is in the collection at North Freedom. This past
summer, you really couldn't see any herald on the doors, at least
enough to tell what color the heralds were. I was hoping to confirm
what a late paint job would have used. (It doesn't appear that the
car was repainted since it arrived at the museum.) Sounds like black
or red would be a coin toss for a mid-'50s era model. (?) If I used
the black herald, I'd probably want to weather the model quite a
bit.
Also, it was interesting that there are the remains of the
words "GREEN BAY AND WESTERN" to the right of the door on each side.
This lettering extends UNDER the ladder grabs. Was this a typical
scheme on wooden GBW cars? This lettering was in addition to the
heralds and the reporting marks.

Regards,
Phil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Mathu" <mark@m...> wrote:

Was that a red or black rectangle herald on the door?
That's another issue... it's black & white -- I believe -- based on
the tones of the photo. B&W images with a red herald seem to show
up
lighter in photos.

But I'm open for suggestions!


More importantly, when did each color of herald get used?
Red & white heralds were on steam engines by the 1930s. It seems
that
early (1930s) versions of freight cars had red & white heralds
also.
My guess (based on b&w photos only) is that only the GBW boxcars,
and
black gondolas and hoppers of the late steam period (post- 1935)
had
black & white heralds. Certainly by the time all-steel boxcars
arrived
in 1950 the heralds were red & white.
__________
Mark Mathu
Whitefish Bay, Wis.


Re: Bil Darnaby's List of 1949 Boxcar Movements from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Michael Aufderheide
 

Tim Gilbert asked:

What happened to boxcars carrying newsprint when
they were unloaded?
Were they returned to their owners empty, or were
they reloaded with
product, and routed wherever?
Tim,

From the 1948 Monon conductor's log I have the
following Canadian cars:

CN B 476658 XB Southbound to Limedale (PRR)
CN B 523832 XB Northbound to Laf. Jct. (NKP WAB NYC)
CN B 528176 CORN Southbound to Louisville
CN ? 464091 ? Southbound to Bloomington
CP B 246493 R WOOL Northbound to S. Hammond (Chicago)
CP ? 180528 RUBBER Northbound to Michigan City (CSSSB
PM NYC)
CP B 247203 PAPER Southbound to Bloomington

Any thoughts?

Regards,

Mike



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Re: Bil Darnaby's List of 1949 Boxcar Movements from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Mike Aufderheide wrote:

One thing I've noticed about the 1948 Monon
conductor's log I'm going through is the lack of Monon
boxcars in general. Plenty of gons and hoppers, but
boxcars are under represented as a proportion of the
Monon fleet: only 4 cars out of 52. Even Air Dump
cars show up more often! Maybe this goes to Tim's
theory on boxcar usage.
Mike,

Not so much theory because, in the 1948 PROCEEDINGS OF THE AAR'S SUPERINTENDENTS' CONVENTION which provided January 1 data for percent home cars on line for both all types and boxcars. On 12/31/1947, there were 1,999,441 cars owned by Class I RR's and private car lines or shippers in the US, but there were only 1,901,963 freight cars on line in the US according to the ICC's 1947 ANNUAL REPORT OF STATISTICS OF RAILWAYS IN THE US. To keep things simple, I will use the 1,999,443 total in the table below:

Home Foreign Total % at Home
Total Freight Cars 799,776 1,199,665 1,999,441 40.0% Given
less: Privately Owned Cars - 265,250 265,250 0.0%
RR-Owned Cars 799,776 934,415 1,734,191 46.1% Calculated
less: Boxcars 142,468 584,414 726,882 19.6% Given
All Other RR Car Types 657,308 350,001 1,007,309 65.3% Calculated

Because the MONON was a short haul railroad, I suspect that the percentage of MONON Boxcars on the home line of total boxcars on the Monon was much less than the national 19.6% average. 4 MONON boxcars out of a total of 52 cars could be extraordinarily high once hoppers, gons, MOW cars, etc. were eliminated to determine how many boxcars there were in your Conductor's Log - more so if the Log recorded through freights.

Regarding your 1948 MONON Conductor's Log, can you advise what "division" of the MONON it covered? Were they through or local freights? Between what month and day did the Log begin and end?

Thanks, Tim Gilbert


RP Cyc 12 - CB&Q auto cars

ed_mines
 

Sorry if I'm jumping the gun with copies of said book still in transit
but I have a tendency to forget questions.

Can anyone identify the roof on class XA-6 Q auro box cars like the
one shown on p. 54? Are those little gizmos seen at the roof line part
of a "rib-like" appliance? I've noticed these fixture on some Soo "saw
tooth" box cars.

Ed


FGE steel reefer - RP Cyc 12

ed_mines
 

There's a drawing of a steel FGE reefer on the last page of the RP Cyc.

Remember plastic models of those cars? (I think they were from AHM).

The detail was a little coarse (rivets about the same size the one's
on the Athearn 50'gon).

Ed


Re: RP CYC 12

George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
 

This is due to the fact that they are mailed "Parcel Post" which gets a very uneven distribution rate as it is a lower class of mail. I think, since there are no ads, they could be mailed "Media" mail which may be as cheap, with better service. I only know a little about this as my position with the Postal Service is as a maintenance tech, not as a clerk.

George Hollwedel

lnbill <bwelch@uucf.org> wrote:
A friend in Connecticut received their copy last week. I am in Northern
Virginia, and mine has not come yet.

Bill Welch
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
wrote:


On Behalf Of ed_mines

12 days from St. Louis to New York City area. That must be
some sort of a record.

Hmph! Another couple of days, probably make it to Boston . . .

SGL

George Hollwedel
Prototype N Scale Models
georgeloop@austin.rr.com
310 Loma Verde Street
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883

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Re: RP CYC 12

Storey Lindsay
 

Patience, patience, patience...

I got mine last week.

Storey Lindsay
Celje, Slovenia

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 16:16
Subject: [STMFC] Re: RP CYC 12


A friend in Connecticut received their copy last week. I am in Northern Virginia, and mine has not come yet.
Bill Welch
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

On Behalf Of ed_mines
12 days from St. Louis to New York City area. That must be some sort of a record.
Hmph! Another couple of days, probably make it to Boston . . .
SGL


Re: Bil Darnaby's List of 1949 Boxcar Movements from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Montford Switzer wrote:

Responding to Tim Gilbert:

Tim,
Your points are well taken. Do we know who determined what car was
loaded to what destination?
Mont,

I suppose the Swift's shipping foreman had the final say. I could not find an example from the Bill's Jan/Feb 1948 list showing this explicitly, but I think the Jan/Mar 1949 List has an example of loading a PRR car for a non-PRR routing while another owner's boxcar was routed on the PRR on the same day. There are all sorts of boxcars owned by western roads being reloaded and sent east - so much for the Car Service Rule to reload and route empties in the direction of the home road only.

I am in process of entering Bill's data onto a spreadsheet - I have completed the Jan/Feb 1948 List, and am about to start the June 1948 List and then the Jan/Mar 1949 List.


Note that there were no MONON cars loaded when I'm sure they were around
being that close to home rails and all. My guess is when the NKP got a
MONON car that close to home rails (MONON and NKP both ran through
Frankfort and the NKP had 2 other interchanges with the MONON within 30
miles) they returned it empty rather than pay charges while the car sat
at Swift for loading.
I would make the same argument for why there so few boxcars owned by railroads of the Great Lakes Region (NYC, WAB, ERIE, DL&W, etc.. The CIL was part of the Central East Region.). This works only if there was an ample supply of empty boxcars in Frankfort. If this supply was critically low, then empty boxcars of the Great Lakes Roads and the MONON would be hoarded. At Frankfort, the supply of empty boxcars were augmented by cars released from the NKP's Frankfort Car Shops.

Incidentally, MONON #1 was in Frankfort on January 10th, 1948 loaded with drugs loaded at Bloomfield NJ and routed ERIE-Lima-NKP-TRRA-SSW-Corsicana-T&NO-El Paso-SP-San Francisco.

Also, take a look at the routing on the NKP owned cars. Those routings
look a lot cleaner to me, many totally on line or with significant miles
on the NKP.

Then look at what the MONON got:

- SR, GM&O cars of a 20 mile on line haul
- RI car south on the PRR via Indinapaolis
- NH, IC car to southern Indiana on a MONON branch
-SOO car to an NYC destination in Michigan

Car selection seems to be random except for the NKP cars/routings.
I do not see any such "favoritism" in the Jan/Feb 1948 List. There were five boxcar terminations on the NKP, but only one was in an NKP car - the others were ERIE, GN, MILW and PRR. Meanwhile, nine NKP cars were loaded by Swift: - three each terminated on the PRR and Michigan Central, and one each on the NKP, C&O and Toledo Terminal.

I would think that Bill's data has helped you with boxcars and tank cars

carrying bean oil; the data has not shown the distribution of owners
among hoppers, gons, reefers or tank cars carrying different commodities

than bean meal.

Yes, but I have other sources for this. Also, the MONON used a lot of
home road cars specially equipped for some of the regular moves. As I
mentioned among them were TV cabinets, coke, foundry sand and Indiana
coal on the Indianapolis line. I also need to work on GTW boxcars for
inbound newsprint.
Coke and Coal, I assume, were carried in hoppers which had much lower percent loaded of total car miles than boxcars (55% vs. 76%) which greatly reduced the opportunities for reloading empties before they were returned to the mines or ovens; thus, the percent of hoppers on home road lines of total hoppers on the MONON was greater than for boxcars. I assume foundry sand was bagged and loaded into boxcars as were the TV Cabinets. Were some of these commodities terminated on other roads? If so, I would expect the MONON lost control of the routing of these boxcars when they were unloaded just as they lost control of CIL #1 once it was delivered to the L&N in Louisville on June 17th, 1947.

What happened to boxcars carrying newsprint when they were unloaded? Were they returned to their owners empty, or were they reloaded with product, and routed wherever? There were no guarantees that GTW boxcars would be returned to the GTW once the newsprint was unloaded particularly in times when there were boxcar shortages. If the GTW wanted newsprint cars to return, CN cars should be used - assuming that the newsprint came from Canada.

Hope this helps, Tim Gilbert


Re: Bil Darnaby's List of 1949 Boxcar Movements from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Michael Aufderheide
 

Mont and all,

One thing I've noticed about the 1948 Monon
conductor's log I'm going through is the lack of Monon
boxcars in general. Plenty of gons and hoppers, but
boxcars are under represented as a proportion of the
Monon fleet: only 4 cars out of 52. Even Air Dump
cars show up more often! Maybe this goes to Tim's
theory on boxcar usage.

Mike

ps-if I can get my confounded webmail to work, I found
some interesting Canadian boxcar moves-maybe later
today.

--- Montford Switzer <ZOE@IQUEST.NET> wrote:

Responding to Tim Gilbert:

Tim,

Your points are well taken. Do we know who
determined what car was
loaded to what destination?

Note that there were no MONON cars loaded when I'm
sure they were around
being that close to home rails and all. My guess is
when the NKP got a
MONON car that close to home rails (MONON and NKP
both ran through
Frankfort and the NKP had 2 other interchanges with
the MONON within 30
miles) they returned it empty rather than pay
charges while the car sat
at Swift for loading.

Also, take a look at the routing on the NKP owned
cars. Those routings
look a lot cleaner to me, many totally on line or
with significant miles
on the NKP.

Then look at what the MONON got:

- SR, GM&O cars of a 20 mile on line haul
- RI car south on the PRR via Indinapaolis
- NH, IC car to southern Indiana on a MONON branch
-SOO car to an NYC destination in Michigan

Car selection seems to be random except for the NKP
cars/routings.

I would think that Bill's data has helped you with
boxcars and tank cars

carrying bean oil; the data has not shown the
distribution of owners
among hoppers, gons, reefers or tank cars carrying
different commodities

than bean meal.

Yes, but I have other sources for this. Also, the
MONON used a lot of
home road cars specially equipped for some of the
regular moves. As I
mentioned among them were TV cabinets, coke, foundry
sand and Indiana
coal on the Indianapolis line. I also need to work
on GTW boxcars for
inbound newsprint.

Tim Gilbert





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Re: RP CYC 12

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

A friend in Connecticut received their copy last week. I am in Northern
Virginia, and mine has not come yet.

Bill Welch
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:


On Behalf Of ed_mines

12 days from St. Louis to New York City area. That must be
some sort of a record.

Hmph! Another couple of days, probably make it to Boston . . .

SGL


Re: Bil Darnaby's List of 1949 Boxcar Movements from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Responding to Tim Gilbert:

Tim,

Your points are well taken. Do we know who determined what car was
loaded to what destination?

Note that there were no MONON cars loaded when I'm sure they were around
being that close to home rails and all. My guess is when the NKP got a
MONON car that close to home rails (MONON and NKP both ran through
Frankfort and the NKP had 2 other interchanges with the MONON within 30
miles) they returned it empty rather than pay charges while the car sat
at Swift for loading.

Also, take a look at the routing on the NKP owned cars. Those routings
look a lot cleaner to me, many totally on line or with significant miles
on the NKP.

Then look at what the MONON got:

- SR, GM&O cars of a 20 mile on line haul
- RI car south on the PRR via Indinapaolis
- NH, IC car to southern Indiana on a MONON branch
-SOO car to an NYC destination in Michigan

Car selection seems to be random except for the NKP cars/routings.

I would think that Bill's data has helped you with boxcars and tank cars

carrying bean oil; the data has not shown the distribution of owners
among hoppers, gons, reefers or tank cars carrying different commodities

than bean meal.

Yes, but I have other sources for this. Also, the MONON used a lot of
home road cars specially equipped for some of the regular moves. As I
mentioned among them were TV cabinets, coke, foundry sand and Indiana
coal on the Indianapolis line. I also need to work on GTW boxcars for
inbound newsprint.

Tim Gilbert





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Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, etc.

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Doug Harding wrote: "Tim, if I recall correctly MR actually did the test you suggest. "

That's right, Doug. See "HO scale magnetic knuckle couplers," by Jim Hediger, in the July 2000 "Model Railroader," page 58.
So long,

Andy

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Fax: 262-796-1142
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Re: Sergent Couplers

Manfred Lorenz
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@U...> wrote:
I like the way they operate and how they look, but unfortunately
the
inability to reach across more than a foot of benchwork makes them
impracticable if you plan to do anything other than run around
without
doing anything. Now if you are into displays and/or contests at
train
shows and conventions, RPM meets, etc., then there is nothing that
can
beat them.

If someone can find a way to uncouple them remotely or in any other
fashion, then they will become workable in operating sessions.
I have designed a beta version of a Sergent remote uncoupler. Perhaps
with some refinements this can be worked into a solution to the
problem.

The file area has my idea under: http://tinyurl.com/dqt8z

Or if that does not work the file name is Sergent Uncoupler.doc

Any comments?

Manfred


Correct link to DVD

smason22000 <smason2@...>
 

Hi folks,

Several people have e-mailed me to let me know that they couldn't find
the location of my E-Bay store to order my new DVD, "Building
Craftsman Structure Kits. The correct link is:

http://stores.ebay.com/Model-Railroads-by-Scott-Mason

Sorry for the confusion.

Scott Mason


ASF A-3 Trucks -San Juan - Roll on!

Brett Whelan
 

Gene and AT,

San Juan is going to doing a roller bearing ASF A-3!!

Roll on I say!

Brett Whelan - P.48
Australia





Message: 18
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:53:28 -0000
From: "proto48er" <atkott@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: The Good Old Days

"O" scale again!

The plastic couplers made by San Juan Car Co. are
excellent in
appearance, and will mate with Clousers, and even
Kadees. I have an
easier time working with brass - just a personal
preference!

HOWEVER, I wish San Juan Car Co. would make a GOOD
PENNSY FREIGHT
TRUCK in "O" scale - something we have been waiting
MANY years for!
There is so much demand out there for a good plastic
Pennsy truck that
the SJCC owners could retire on that one product
alone! A. T. Kott







A.T.

San Juan will likely be able to retire off the ASF
A-3 that he is doing. He
is even thinking of a roller bearing version for
some odd reason.

Steve Grabowski has the 2D-F8 done but for some
reason has not released it.
I agree as to the need.

Gene Deimling
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Speaking of wine tank cars

Andy Carlson
 

This was posted on the freight car list (remember
them???) Check the link to 3 tank cars preserved.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- Lon Godshall <lon10@ptdprolog.net> wrote:


The New Hope and Ivyland RR has acquired some old
tank cars from a
nearby industry. They are now in Lansdale,PA on the
CSX awaiting the
move to NH&I if anybody is in the area.
Sorry, I am not an old tank car expert.


UTLX 3752 1930's

SHPX 6622 8-40 six dome leased to Bear Mtn Winery

SBIX 1606 2-48 Wooden barrel vinegar car, wood
has rotted away w/
only steel frame left.

link for pics:
http://www.trainweb.org/phillynrhs/RPOTD051012.html

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