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Re: DRGW 47 foot Gondolas with Wood Extensions on Great Northern Inside Gateway

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

gary laakso wrote:
P 344 of Vol.II of The Northwest's Own Railway features a picture of
a Great Northern 0-6 2-8-2 on the line between Klamath Falls and
Bend, Oregon with 4 DRGW 47 gondolas, two of which have side
extensions with gaps between the wood boards. The extensions appear
to be 4 feet high. Would these cars have been used for sugar beets?
The gaps are far too large to be for sawdust and problematic for
coal.
Utah coal traveled that route in DRGW gons for many years. The cars you
mention may be in coke service as coke is a lot lighter than coal.

Dave Nelson


Re: Van Dorn ends

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Come on, Thompson, get real. The SP had ONE B-50-4 with a Van Dorn end
which was almost certainly retired before or during World War II and
you want to model it to run on your layout? Not, of course, that I
want to deprive Al W. of a sale, but are you modeling the Southern
Pacific Coast Line ca. 1953 or becoming a freight car model collector?
The next thing we know, you'll be modeling N&W hopper cars.
Richard, Richard. Better cut back on the coffee <g>. Who said anything about running it on the layout? It's such a neat end, it will make a nice addition to my display case (a use you certainly understand for freight cars <bigger G>).

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The upcoming Athearn 65' mill gon

Garrett W. Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>
 

All:

First off, sorry if this has been covered in the past, I have been
away from this list for several months and searching the archive
turned up nothing...

Anyhow, my friend James Bilbrey was nice enough to send me the
following links of photos of the upcoming Athearn gons:

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/50563722

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/50563723

Now, looking at the photos above and photos of the PSC built mill
gons (NC&StL, L&N, and SAL cars to be exact) it appears that the
Athearan cars are close from what I can see (19 ribs, 10 pairs of
stake pockets, the end sill) but I have a few questions for anyone
that was at this show or has seen these (Athearn) cars up close
elsewhere.

1) Is this in fact a match for the PSC built 65' mill gons

2) The ribs all look "fat" almost like a welded rib on a PRR G32 or
the like, not the thin "T" style.

3) Are these prototypes or is the finished product near, the end
post/body joints are a bit odd (the end post should stick out further
than the side, look at the CB&Q car if this is in fact a PSC car and
there is a gap on the Sante Fe car in this area.

Any other info would be appreciated also.

Thanks-

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN


Re: HO retainer valves

Rob Adams
 

Denny;

Depending on the type of retainer valve you need, most of the Westerfield kits include extras. Since I have a large number of Al's kits, both built and not, I've not found it necessary to buy retainers to this point. They do not typically have indexing pins or a hole for anchoring the line, however. Some of my Sunshine kits include extras also. So, your parts drawer may already be more thoroughly stocked than you realize.

Regards, Rob Adams



Denny Anspach wrote:

I often finesse the modeling of retainer valves because of my common
personal inability to actually < < < see > and/or < orient > this
tiny detail part, or actually grasp the part with any tool so that
it does not sail off into the thick carpet pile sunset. If I have
survived so far, then I face actually mounting the valve reliably in
a correct position with correct orientation, and at last butting the
air line to the valve in some way that it too doesn't disappear into
the sunset the first time the car is handled.

Now, how do you other listers handle this problem? What valves are
the easiest to use and handle? Is there an indexing pin on the back,
and a hole for anchoring the .010" air line? Can they be purchased
in bulk, i.e. without purchasing an entire brake set, i.e. Tichy?

Mont Switzer has mentioned the PSC valves. The only problem there is
the $20.00 minimum (a LOT of valves).

Denny


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loosing parts in thick carpets

ed_mines
 

Denny's experience with loosing retainer valves reminds me of the time
I tried to assemble Walthers sprung trucks (the ones made of plastic)
in a Holiday Inn outside of Cleveland (early '80s?).

I lost the springs for 3 trucks in one sitting.

I also demolished one of the chairs at the table. It broke into about
10 pieces when I sat on it. I glued it back together with Ambroid
cement and it looked good enough to fool the hotel management.

Ed


Re: Van Dorn ends

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 14, 2005, at 8:43 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Al Westerfield wrote:
Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with Van
Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but
only one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car
with, as I recall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1
B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by
next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting.
If you do the B-50-4 version, Al, I'll buy one.
Come on, Thompson, get real. The SP had ONE B-50-4 with a Van Dorn end which was almost certainly retired before or during World War II and you want to model it to run on your layout? Not, of course, that I want to deprive Al W. of a sale, but are you modeling the Southern Pacific Coast Line ca. 1953 or becoming a freight car model collector? The next thing we know, you'll be modeling N&W hopper cars.

Richard Hendrickson


reverse Murphy ends

ed_mines
 

One of the most interesting uses of reverse Murphy ends was on RDG
hoppers with 9 ribs. (John LaRue has a good photo of one of these).

I don't know if this was original or a replacement.

There was an article in "Flags, Diamons & Statues" (the magazine from
the anthracite society) on refurbishing these hoppers which shows
these panels as replacements in the slope sheets. I don't recall the
date.

Ed


Re: CGW ARA boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 14, 2005, at 5:40 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Did the CGW ARA boxcars have vertical hand brake or a horizontal hand brake?
I can't tell from the photo in the April 1987 issue of Model Railroading.
Geared hand brakes. In the only two photos I have where the brake wheel is visible, one appears to be an early Equipco and the other an Ajax.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Van Dorn ends

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Westerfield wrote:
Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I recall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting.
If you do the B-50-4 version, Al, I'll buy one.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: HO retainer valves

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 14, 2005, at 6:49 PM, RUTLANDRS@aol.com wrote:

Denny,
Your local hobby shop also needs the $20.00 PSC minimum and most need
just that one more customer so they too can get their order placed for you and
all the other guys waiting.
Chuck Hladik
Though doubtless well meant, that's a counsel of perfection if I ever saw one. Your advice is fine if your local hobby shop happens to be Des Plaines, Caboose Hobbies, or The Whistle Stop. However, most local hobby shops don't even know how to order from PSC and many can't be bothered to find out; they'd rather just let the distributors stock their stores with train set junk. Many of us on this list have learned that it's often easier and quicker to order direct from suppliers like PSC. Bear in mind, also, that when you do so, PSC doesn't have to sell at a discount, so that helps to keep them in business.

Personal disclaimer: I do a lot of business with a friend of mine who runs a first-rate retail model railroad shop. However, that also requires phone or e-mail orders, as he's located in Ohio and I'm in Southern Oregon. The local hobby shop (14 miles away) isn't bad, as most hobby shops go, but stocks only the most basic things I need, so it isn't worth my time to go there and back (not to mention burning a gallon or so of $3+ gasoline) just to confirm that they don't have what I want. The alternative is to spend five minutes placing an e-mail order and receive what I order via UPS or USPS in a few days.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: PFE R-40-10 in original colours

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

David Ball said:
This has made me think of another question though; would cars painted before
the introduction of the repack stencil have had it added by this date?
Once introduced, it would have been painted on any reweighed car, AFAIK. Don't think of it as part of a "paint scheme," think of it as a "feature."

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: CGW ARA boxcars

Rob Adams
 

Brian;

I don't have the 4/87 issue of MRG, so don't know which series of car you are looking at, but the Summer 1992 issue of Northwestern Lines has several photos of various cars. From what I can determine, the 1931-built 85000-85998, 86000-86998 series (even #'s) and the 11/1933-built 87000-87998 series all had geared power hand brakes with vertically mounted wheel, rather than a vertical staff with horiztontal wheel. The hand brake wheels used seemed to vary, with Ajax and early Universal being common, depending upon the series. I used Ajax hand brake gear on the one 86000-series car I've built from a modified Red Caboose kit.

Best regards, Rob Adams

Brian J Carlson wrote:

Did the CGW ARA boxcars have vertical hand brake or a horizontal hand brake?
I can't tell from the photo in the April 1987 issue of Model Railroading.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


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Naperville

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

We will be at both the Naperville RPM and Howard Zane's Orlando show the following week. If anyone wants us to bring a specific older kit, let me know by the 19th.

We will be launching 1921 NYC stock cars with DS ends and SFRD RR.S/T/U/V reefers with modern lettering at Naperville. These are now on our web site at www.westerfield.biz. - Al Westerfield


Re: Van Dorn ends

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I recall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting. - Al Westerfield

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List,

Have the unusual Van Dorn patent car ends ever been made available in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also, when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help.

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Re: reverse Murphy ends

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 14, 2005, at 5:38 PM, James D Thompson wrote:

The 1919 and 1922 Car Builder's Dictionaries show examples of both ends,
but no cars built after ca. 1918 had the inverse corrugated design.
That's a bit premature. C&O was still using inverse corrugated ends
through the mid-1920s, and there are other occasional examples.
My post, I now realize, was ambiguous. I meant to say that none of the cars shown with inverse corrugated ends in the 1919 and 1922 CBCycs were built after ca. 1918. No argument that some cars were built in the early to mid-1920s with inverse corrugated ends (I'm tempted to say they were ordered that way by backward RR mechanical departments, but I won't) .

Richard Hendrickson


Van Dorn ends

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

List,

Have the unusual Van Dorn patent car ends ever been made available in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also, when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help.

Fred Freitas


Re: PFE R-40-10 in original colours

David Ball
 

Thanks Tony

I wasn't looking for any great precision, just to figure out the reasonable
probability of them showing up, at what levels

"Many" of a fleet the size of the R-40-10's is good enough for me to be
happy with a couple floating around (in an area of a high concentration of
PFE cars)

This has made me think of another question though; would cars painted before
the introduction of the repack stencil have had it added by this date?

Cheers

David Ball
Currently planning his fleet PFE fleet - Brace yourself for more question



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Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2005 11:53 a.m.
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] PFE R-40-10 in original colours


David Ball wrote:
Does anyone know approximately what proportion of the PFE R-40-10
fleet was
still in their original paint in the summer of 1948?
To be certain of this would require going through all 4700 car
cards, not all of which survive; but the cars were just coming due for
what PFE believed was the proper interval for repainting steel cars.
Moreover, the PFE shops were extremely busy in 1946-1952, repairing
war-worn cars, rebuilding, and modernizing much of the fleet. Shop
statistics also show very large numbers of cars repainted in this
period. Thus although I'm sure many R-40-10 cars retained original
paint in the summer of 1948, I'm also sure that many were repainted.
In 1950, a general repair program for all the -10 cars was
begun, adding fans and steel running boards. In that day, cars would
have been repainted after such work, though of course this was after
1948.

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Re: SP Overnight and 4/6/6 doors jpgs - Large image please!

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

Should have been off list... sorry.

Regards,
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On Oct 14, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

I have received some large file (1.2MB) close-ups of
Dan Smith's new doors. Ask for which image you want in
the subject line, and I will send a copy. Looks real
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Rutland Fallen flags / Naperville / Keith Sirman

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

When I last had a message from Keith a few months back, he indicated that he would not be coming to Naperville (which I frankly found quite disappointing given his great collection of steam era photographs). I hope that conditions have changed enough to allow his coming, but I wouldn't expect it.

I know Bob will likely be there, I am fairly sure Big Four will be there, likely both Grubers, and possibly others.

This should also be the time that you make a call to Bob (and it wouldn't be remiss to contact others) if you want to see something. For instance, if you are interested in seeing something like GN Diesels or something he normally might not bring. If you call him, he may be able to fit it in now. No use going to see that he and others don't have what you want only to be told "Oh yeah, got a whole binder of those back home, should have called me, would have brought them with me - what? naw, don't do email, don't have time, tool of the devil, hey did you see those two..." Well, those who have been there before can fill in the rest.

At 08:37 PM 10/14/2005, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:25:20 -0000
From: "englishintroy" <englij@rpi.edu>
Subject: Re: Rutland Fallen Flags/Lubliner

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Kahn" <harumd@h...> wrote:
Any leads from the list for other views of Rutland #4000 gondolas?
Bob's Photos has several, and he will likely be at Naperville in a
couple of weeks. Also, IIRC Keith Sirman has some 4000-series gon
photos, and he, too, will likely be at Naperville.
Bob Webber

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