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Re: loosing parts in thick carpets

jerryglow2
 

Unless you did something to cause it to "fall apart" sounds like a
missed opportunity for a lawsuit for enough to build a nice model RR.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote:

Denny's experience with loosing retainer valves reminds me of the
time
I tried to assemble Walthers sprung trucks (the ones made of
plastic)
in a Holiday Inn outside of Cleveland (early '80s?).

I lost the springs for 3 trucks in one sitting.

I also demolished one of the chairs at the table. It broke into
about
10 pieces when I sat on it. I glued it back together with Ambroid
cement and it looked good enough to fool the hotel management.

Ed


Re: inside view SAL autobox

Don Worthy
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Paul & Theri Koehler" <buygone@e...>
wrote:

Don:



I don't know what type of rack, but I think that the vehicle is a
light duty
International Harvester pickup.



Paul C. Koehler

Thanks Paul. I don't know my old vehicles as well as I should.
Don Worthy

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Behalf Of Don
Worthy
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:46 AM
To: STMFC Group
Subject: [STMFC] inside view SAL autobox



Hello group
I'm new to the group and have posted a photo in the photo section.
It's an
inside shot of a Seaboard Auto Boxcar. It shows one style of Auto
Rack (with
a car in place) installed.
I've wondered what brand of rack this is and for that matter what
model of
car it has on it. The photo was dated 1937.
If anyone could tell me something about these, I'd appreciate it.
Don Worthy (new guy)


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Re: HO retainer valves

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

As I gratefully read the many generous answers to my chronic problem of handling these tiny parts, I realize how much of the problem is quite personal- the sheer difficulty of having to deal with tiny details needing to be precisely placed, but having eyes that no longer have the ability or agility to make the necessary accommodations. I have three Optivisors (two, on the average, always misplaced), one of which has the leather headband completely worn through.

Over the years I have ramped up my workbench lighting to Klieg Light standards (using fluorescent lights only to avoid furnace conditions). Nevertheless, I still have problems with close-in three dimensional depth perception, and quite often with small parts, there is not enough shadowing to actually determine correct orientation. BTW, this is a very common condition for people my age. For me, then, under these circumstances, having simple indexing or locating pins, or cores for piping on tiny part such as retaining valves can be an absolute Godsend (kit and part manufacturers: are you listening??).

I do not at all object to the PSC $20.00 minimum for all of the reasons stated. I did jibe about all of the retainer valves that $20.00 might buy (PSC catalog price- 4/$1.75), and in the end that will not deter me. As to filling out the order from all the other things in the voluminous PSC catalogs-- well--- I already have a wall of L-hooks, an awful lot of the hooks already stacked and packed with PSC parts , a large number of which were enthusiastically purchased to fill out $20.00 orders!
("Now, just what am I going to do with all of these---
whaterever-they-are-- after your funeral??").

Denny
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Sacramento, California


Re: HO retainer valves

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

After reading this post a couple of hours later I'm not sure I saw
clear. I mount both the line (wire) and valve in holes drilled in the
car end.

Mont Switzer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Montford Switzer
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:15 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: HO retainer valves

Group and Denny,

Well, I hate to admit to faking it, but I do. I install either an .008
or .010 trainer line first securing the top in a small hole (usually
#78) drilled at about where the valve should be. I then cement the
valve so that the line appears to run into the bottom as intended.

I believe the PSC valves are made with a lug that you can push into a
small hole to make the attachment stronger. Testors for plastic to
plastic, ACC for other applications.

STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS used retainer valves.

Mont Switzer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Denny Anspach
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:11 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: HO retainer valves

I often finesse the modeling of retainer valves because of my common
personal inability to actually < < < see > and/or < orient > this
tiny detail part, or actually grasp the part with any tool so that
it does not sail off into the thick carpet pile sunset. If I have
survived so far, then I face actually mounting the valve reliably in
a correct position with correct orientation, and at last butting the
air line to the valve in some way that it too doesn't disappear into
the sunset the first time the car is handled.

Now, how do you other listers handle this problem? What valves are
the easiest to use and handle? Is there an indexing pin on the back,
and a hole for anchoring the .010" air line? Can they be purchased
in bulk, i.e. without purchasing an entire brake set, i.e. Tichy?

Mont Switzer has mentioned the PSC valves. The only problem there is
the $20.00 minimum (a LOT of valves).

Denny


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CGW X29 brakes

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Ben/Rob:

Ben said, "Photos of the CGW cars from Gene Green's CGW Color Guide clearly
show the brake reservoir mounted parallel and to the right of to the
center sill. The reservoir is mounted under the doors, offset towards the A
end of the car. (See photos on p 24 and 25.)"

Rob replied, "The CGW 87000-89998 series did have AB brakes as built (and
the arrangement differed from the Pennsy component standards), but the
earlier 1931-built CGW series, 85000-85998 (even), and 86000-89998 (even)
both had KC brakes."

The Red Caboose model I have is 85222. According to Rob's statement this ca
was originally built with KC brakes. My question to Ben is what number
series are the cars photo's you are describing. I'd like to locate the brake
components correctly.

Any sources for online photo's would be greatly appreciated The underframe
of the car in the April 1987 Model Railroading is in shadows. Maybe Richard
Hendrickson can make more out from the original photo.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: loosing parts in thick carpets

Brian Termunde
 

In a message dated 10/15/2005 12:26:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
wakeene@jps.net writes:

Ed,

The easiest way to find that lost part is to get up out of the chair to take
a relaxing walk to relieve the stress.

CRUNCH!!!


----> Even better...take off your shoes and socks...OUCH!!! <G> Don't ask me
how I know... ;>


Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District


Re: inside view SAL autobox

Paul & Theri Koehler <buygone@...>
 

Don:



I don't know what type of rack, but I think that the vehicle is a light duty
International Harvester pickup.



Paul C. Koehler



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Worthy
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:46 AM
To: STMFC Group
Subject: [STMFC] inside view SAL autobox



Hello group
I'm new to the group and have posted a photo in the photo section. It's an
inside shot of a Seaboard Auto Boxcar. It shows one style of Auto Rack (with
a car in place) installed.
I've wondered what brand of rack this is and for that matter what model of
car it has on it. The photo was dated 1937.
If anyone could tell me something about these, I'd appreciate it.
Don Worthy (new guy)


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Accurail coupers

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

I would like to offer my thanks to Dennis Storzek for his post regarding
his company's couplers. We all see lots of less than factual comments
on various products including some of my own that appear here and
elsewhere, so when ANY manufacturer shares detailed information about a
product available we all benefit. It would be beneficial if we had the
input of more manufacturers and it should be encouraged.



I use the Accurail close to scale couplers and I am delighted to have a
better understanding of their construction and capabilities. They work
pretty well with the many other couplers that I have installed over the
years. I hope to standardize at some point. I uncouple manually and
the Accurail couplers allow easy omission of the bottom "lever" or
whatever you call it. What got me interested in them was the close to
scale size of the coupler and pocket.



One previous comment made was regarding the durability of the resin
Accurail couplers vs. metal. Although I've not had it happen I'm sure
they WILL BREAK during rough handling on long trains. Isn't that
supposed to happen? We are modeling the real railroads, right?



Mont Switzer


Re: Van Dorn ends

Ed Mims
 

The Central of Georgia had 500 40-ton steel underframe box cars with
Van Dorn ends. They were in series 51001--51500, built by Standard
Steel Car in August 1912 at Hammond, Indiana. There is an article
with photos in the Central of Georgia Railway Historical Society's
October-December 2001 issue of THE RIGHT WAY.

Ed Mims
Jacksonville,FL


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, centga@a... wrote:

The C of Ga had a series of cars with Van Dorn ends. I don't have
my information with me at the moment but if anyone is interested I
can dig it out. Todd Horton

-----Original Message-----
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:18:25 -0500
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends


Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with
Van Dorn ends.
They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only
one road used
them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I
recall, 350 cars.
All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR
and 1 MILW.
I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual
meeting. - Al
Westerfield
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred in Vt.
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends


List,

Have the unusual Van Dorn patent car ends ever been made
available in
HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also,
when were
these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help.

Fred Freitas

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inside view SAL autobox

Don Worthy
 

Hello group
I'm new to the group and have posted a photo in the photo section. It's an inside shot of a Seaboard Auto Boxcar. It shows one style of Auto Rack (with a car in place) installed.
I've wondered what brand of rack this is and for that matter what model of car it has on it. The photo was dated 1937.
If anyone could tell me something about these, I'd appreciate it.
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Re: Van Dorn ends

centga@...
 

The C of Ga had a series of cars with Van Dorn ends. I don't have my information with me at the moment but if anyone is interested I can dig it out. Todd Horton

-----Original Message-----
From: Westerfield <westerfield@charter.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:18:25 -0500
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends


Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with Van Dorn ends.
They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only one road used
them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I recall, 350 cars.
All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW.
I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting. - Al
Westerfield
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred in Vt.
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends


List,

Have the unusual Van Dorn patent car ends ever been made available in
HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also, when were
these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help.

Fred Freitas





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Re: HO retainer valves

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Group and Denny,

Well, I hate to admit to faking it, but I do. I install either an .008
or .010 trainer line first securing the top in a small hole (usually
#78) drilled at about where the valve should be. I then cement the
valve so that the line appears to run into the bottom as intended.

I believe the PSC valves are made with a lug that you can push into a
small hole to make the attachment stronger. Testors for plastic to
plastic, ACC for other applications.

STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS used retainer valves.

Mont Switzer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Denny Anspach
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:11 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: HO retainer valves

I often finesse the modeling of retainer valves because of my common
personal inability to actually < < < see > and/or < orient > this
tiny detail part, or actually grasp the part with any tool so that
it does not sail off into the thick carpet pile sunset. If I have
survived so far, then I face actually mounting the valve reliably in
a correct position with correct orientation, and at last butting the
air line to the valve in some way that it too doesn't disappear into
the sunset the first time the car is handled.

Now, how do you other listers handle this problem? What valves are
the easiest to use and handle? Is there an indexing pin on the back,
and a hole for anchoring the .010" air line? Can they be purchased
in bulk, i.e. without purchasing an entire brake set, i.e. Tichy?

Mont Switzer has mentioned the PSC valves. The only problem there is
the $20.00 minimum (a LOT of valves).

Denny


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Re: reverse Murphy ends

Jeff English
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:


Richard Hendrickson wrote

The 1919 and 1922 Car Builder's Dictionaries show examples of
both ends, but no cars built after ca. 1918 had the inverse
corrugated design. Whether for new construction or the rebuilding
of older cars, its doubtful that inverse corrugated ends would have
been manufactured or applied as late as 1928.
Richard, according to my notes, MP 120000-121749 36' box cars were
built in 1926 with inverse Murphy ends, and UP 99500-99999 G-50-9
gondolas were built in 1925 with inverse Murphy ends. These are the
only two examples I found of cars built this late with such ends.
Also the following NYC Lots:

431-B, NOR S-3600 - S-3849, blt '22 (later NYC 275012 - 275750, mixed
with other cars)
485-B, Rutland 8000 - 8199, blt 7=9-24
486-B, Rutland 9000 - 9199, blt 9=10-24
487-B, NOR S-3850 - S-4349, blt '24 (later NYC 275751 - 276248)

AFAIK, none of these cars were ever rebuilt with all-steel
superstructures.

Jeff English
Troy, New York
America's largest center of cast-iron stove manufacturing in the 19th
century.


Re: HO retainer valves

Greg Martin
 

Chuck writes:

"Richard,
I fully understand the "just stock me up" situation. Fortunately we do a
lot of special orders and stock the shop like we are modelers, oh yeah, we
are!!! We also happen to have a lot of PSC and Cal Scale parts that we've had
for 20 years. We used to have 2 4 foot 3 shelve glass displays with nothing
but detail parts, now, it, down to a couple of whirly gigs standing on the
floor and a few boxes on a shelf. Seems that "modelers" around Central
Virginia are fairly happy with the detailed RTR stuff. Heck in the past year we've
only restocked clapboard siding twice, and all we sell is trains and
accessories.
Thanks for listening.
Chuck Hladik"


Chuck,


Sounds like a great shop... Now can I get driving directions from Salem,
OR... I'll be right over! 3^) Seriously, can you contact me offline with some
details of your shop like a website or at least address, etc.?


Greg Martin


Re: CGW ARA boxcars

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

All had vertical wheel hand brakes as follows:

CGW 85000-85998 - Ajax
CGW 86000-86998 - Superior
CGW 87000-87998 - order split between Ajax & Equipco

The correct Equipco 3160 is made by Red Caboose as a part of what kit I
don't remember. The Superior 566 available from the C&NWHS is a later
design. The early Superior is illustrated on page 25 of Morning Sun's
CGW Color Guide.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...>
wrote:

On Oct 14, 2005, at 5:40 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Did the CGW ARA boxcars have vertical hand brake or a horizontal
hand
brake?
I can't tell from the photo in the April 1987 issue of Model
Railroading.
Geared hand brakes. In the only two photos I have where the brake
wheel is visible, one appears to be an early Equipco and the other an
Ajax.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: DRGW 47 foot Gondolas with Wood Extensions on Great Northern Inside Gateway

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

gary laakso wrote:
P 344 of Vol.II of The Northwest's Own Railway features a picture of
a Great Northern 0-6 2-8-2 on the line between Klamath Falls and
Bend, Oregon with 4 DRGW 47 gondolas, two of which have side
extensions with gaps between the wood boards. The extensions appear
to be 4 feet high. Would these cars have been used for sugar beets?
The gaps are far too large to be for sawdust and problematic for
coal.
Utah coal traveled that route in DRGW gons for many years. The cars you
mention may be in coke service as coke is a lot lighter than coal.

Dave Nelson


Re: Van Dorn ends

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Come on, Thompson, get real. The SP had ONE B-50-4 with a Van Dorn end
which was almost certainly retired before or during World War II and
you want to model it to run on your layout? Not, of course, that I
want to deprive Al W. of a sale, but are you modeling the Southern
Pacific Coast Line ca. 1953 or becoming a freight car model collector?
The next thing we know, you'll be modeling N&W hopper cars.
Richard, Richard. Better cut back on the coffee <g>. Who said anything about running it on the layout? It's such a neat end, it will make a nice addition to my display case (a use you certainly understand for freight cars <bigger G>).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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The upcoming Athearn 65' mill gon

Garrett W. Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>
 

All:

First off, sorry if this has been covered in the past, I have been
away from this list for several months and searching the archive
turned up nothing...

Anyhow, my friend James Bilbrey was nice enough to send me the
following links of photos of the upcoming Athearn gons:

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/50563722

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/50563723

Now, looking at the photos above and photos of the PSC built mill
gons (NC&StL, L&N, and SAL cars to be exact) it appears that the
Athearan cars are close from what I can see (19 ribs, 10 pairs of
stake pockets, the end sill) but I have a few questions for anyone
that was at this show or has seen these (Athearn) cars up close
elsewhere.

1) Is this in fact a match for the PSC built 65' mill gons

2) The ribs all look "fat" almost like a welded rib on a PRR G32 or
the like, not the thin "T" style.

3) Are these prototypes or is the finished product near, the end
post/body joints are a bit odd (the end post should stick out further
than the side, look at the CB&Q car if this is in fact a PSC car and
there is a gap on the Sante Fe car in this area.

Any other info would be appreciated also.

Thanks-

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN


Re: HO retainer valves

Rob Adams
 

Denny;

Depending on the type of retainer valve you need, most of the Westerfield kits include extras. Since I have a large number of Al's kits, both built and not, I've not found it necessary to buy retainers to this point. They do not typically have indexing pins or a hole for anchoring the line, however. Some of my Sunshine kits include extras also. So, your parts drawer may already be more thoroughly stocked than you realize.

Regards, Rob Adams



Denny Anspach wrote:

I often finesse the modeling of retainer valves because of my common
personal inability to actually < < < see > and/or < orient > this
tiny detail part, or actually grasp the part with any tool so that
it does not sail off into the thick carpet pile sunset. If I have
survived so far, then I face actually mounting the valve reliably in
a correct position with correct orientation, and at last butting the
air line to the valve in some way that it too doesn't disappear into
the sunset the first time the car is handled.

Now, how do you other listers handle this problem? What valves are
the easiest to use and handle? Is there an indexing pin on the back,
and a hole for anchoring the .010" air line? Can they be purchased
in bulk, i.e. without purchasing an entire brake set, i.e. Tichy?

Mont Switzer has mentioned the PSC valves. The only problem there is
the $20.00 minimum (a LOT of valves).

Denny


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loosing parts in thick carpets

ed_mines
 

Denny's experience with loosing retainer valves reminds me of the time
I tried to assemble Walthers sprung trucks (the ones made of plastic)
in a Holiday Inn outside of Cleveland (early '80s?).

I lost the springs for 3 trucks in one sitting.

I also demolished one of the chairs at the table. It broke into about
10 pieces when I sat on it. I glued it back together with Ambroid
cement and it looked good enough to fool the hotel management.

Ed

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