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Re: loosing parts in thick carpets
jerryglow2
Unless you did something to cause it to "fall apart" sounds like a
missed opportunity for a lawsuit for enough to build a nice model RR. Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote: time I tried to assemble Walthers sprung trucks (the ones made ofplastic) in a Holiday Inn outside of Cleveland (early '80s?).about 10 pieces when I sat on it. I glued it back together with Ambroid
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Re: inside view SAL autobox
Don Worthy
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Paul & Theri Koehler" <buygone@e...>
wrote: light duty International Harvester pickup.Don Worthy Behalf Of Don WorthyIt's an inside shot of a Seaboard Auto Boxcar. It shows one style of AutoRack (with a car in place) installed.model of car it has on it. The photo was dated 1937.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC> " on the web.
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Re: HO retainer valves
Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
As I gratefully read the many generous answers to my chronic problem of handling these tiny parts, I realize how much of the problem is quite personal- the sheer difficulty of having to deal with tiny details needing to be precisely placed, but having eyes that no longer have the ability or agility to make the necessary accommodations. I have three Optivisors (two, on the average, always misplaced), one of which has the leather headband completely worn through.
Over the years I have ramped up my workbench lighting to Klieg Light standards (using fluorescent lights only to avoid furnace conditions). Nevertheless, I still have problems with close-in three dimensional depth perception, and quite often with small parts, there is not enough shadowing to actually determine correct orientation. BTW, this is a very common condition for people my age. For me, then, under these circumstances, having simple indexing or locating pins, or cores for piping on tiny part such as retaining valves can be an absolute Godsend (kit and part manufacturers: are you listening??). I do not at all object to the PSC $20.00 minimum for all of the reasons stated. I did jibe about all of the retainer valves that $20.00 might buy (PSC catalog price- 4/$1.75), and in the end that will not deter me. As to filling out the order from all the other things in the voluminous PSC catalogs-- well--- I already have a wall of L-hooks, an awful lot of the hooks already stacked and packed with PSC parts , a large number of which were enthusiastically purchased to fill out $20.00 orders! ("Now, just what am I going to do with all of these--- whaterever-they-are-- after your funeral??"). Denny -- Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento, California
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Re: HO retainer valves
Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
After reading this post a couple of hours later I'm not sure I saw
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clear. I mount both the line (wire) and valve in holes drilled in the car end. Mont Switzer
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Montford Switzer Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:15 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: HO retainer valves Group and Denny, Well, I hate to admit to faking it, but I do. I install either an .008 or .010 trainer line first securing the top in a small hole (usually #78) drilled at about where the valve should be. I then cement the valve so that the line appears to run into the bottom as intended. I believe the PSC valves are made with a lug that you can push into a small hole to make the attachment stronger. Testors for plastic to plastic, ACC for other applications. STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS used retainer valves. Mont Switzer -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:11 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: HO retainer valves I often finesse the modeling of retainer valves because of my common personal inability to actually < < < see > and/or < orient > this tiny detail part, or actually grasp the part with any tool so that it does not sail off into the thick carpet pile sunset. If I have survived so far, then I face actually mounting the valve reliably in a correct position with correct orientation, and at last butting the air line to the valve in some way that it too doesn't disappear into the sunset the first time the car is handled. Now, how do you other listers handle this problem? What valves are the easiest to use and handle? Is there an indexing pin on the back, and a hole for anchoring the .010" air line? Can they be purchased in bulk, i.e. without purchasing an entire brake set, i.e. Tichy? Mont Switzer has mentioned the PSC valves. The only problem there is the $20.00 minimum (a LOT of valves). Denny -- Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
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CGW X29 brakes
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Ben/Rob:
Ben said, "Photos of the CGW cars from Gene Green's CGW Color Guide clearly show the brake reservoir mounted parallel and to the right of to the center sill. The reservoir is mounted under the doors, offset towards the A end of the car. (See photos on p 24 and 25.)" Rob replied, "The CGW 87000-89998 series did have AB brakes as built (and the arrangement differed from the Pennsy component standards), but the earlier 1931-built CGW series, 85000-85998 (even), and 86000-89998 (even) both had KC brakes." The Red Caboose model I have is 85222. According to Rob's statement this ca was originally built with KC brakes. My question to Ben is what number series are the cars photo's you are describing. I'd like to locate the brake components correctly. Any sources for online photo's would be greatly appreciated The underframe of the car in the April 1987 Model Railroading is in shadows. Maybe Richard Hendrickson can make more out from the original photo. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: loosing parts in thick carpets
Brian Termunde
In a message dated 10/15/2005 12:26:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
wakeene@jps.net writes: Ed, The easiest way to find that lost part is to get up out of the chair to take a relaxing walk to relieve the stress. CRUNCH!!! ----> Even better...take off your shoes and socks...OUCH!!! <G> Don't ask me how I know... ;> Take Care! Brian R. Termunde West Jordan, Utah "Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!" Grand Canyon Railway Utah District
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Re: inside view SAL autobox
Paul & Theri Koehler <buygone@...>
Don:
I don't know what type of rack, but I think that the vehicle is a light duty International Harvester pickup. Paul C. Koehler _____ From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Worthy Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:46 AM To: STMFC Group Subject: [STMFC] inside view SAL autobox Hello group I'm new to the group and have posted a photo in the photo section. It's an inside shot of a Seaboard Auto Boxcar. It shows one style of Auto Rack (with a car in place) installed. I've wondered what brand of rack this is and for that matter what model of car it has on it. The photo was dated 1937. If anyone could tell me something about these, I'd appreciate it. Don Worthy (new guy) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "STMFC <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____
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Accurail coupers
Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
I would like to offer my thanks to Dennis Storzek for his post regarding
his company's couplers. We all see lots of less than factual comments on various products including some of my own that appear here and elsewhere, so when ANY manufacturer shares detailed information about a product available we all benefit. It would be beneficial if we had the input of more manufacturers and it should be encouraged. I use the Accurail close to scale couplers and I am delighted to have a better understanding of their construction and capabilities. They work pretty well with the many other couplers that I have installed over the years. I hope to standardize at some point. I uncouple manually and the Accurail couplers allow easy omission of the bottom "lever" or whatever you call it. What got me interested in them was the close to scale size of the coupler and pocket. One previous comment made was regarding the durability of the resin Accurail couplers vs. metal. Although I've not had it happen I'm sure they WILL BREAK during rough handling on long trains. Isn't that supposed to happen? We are modeling the real railroads, right? Mont Switzer
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Re: Van Dorn ends
Ed Mims
The Central of Georgia had 500 40-ton steel underframe box cars with
Van Dorn ends. They were in series 51001--51500, built by Standard Steel Car in August 1912 at Hammond, Indiana. There is an article with photos in the Central of Georgia Railway Historical Society's October-December 2001 issue of THE RIGHT WAY. Ed Mims Jacksonville,FL --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, centga@a... wrote: my information with me at the moment but if anyone is interested I can dig it out. Todd Horton Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but onlyone road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as Irecall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRRand 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annualmeeting. - Al Westerfieldavailable in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also,when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help.insurance International travel insuranceinsurance ----------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKSof Service. -----------
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inside view SAL autobox
Don Worthy
Hello group
I'm new to the group and have posted a photo in the photo section. It's an inside shot of a Seaboard Auto Boxcar. It shows one style of Auto Rack (with a car in place) installed. I've wondered what brand of rack this is and for that matter what model of car it has on it. The photo was dated 1937. If anyone could tell me something about these, I'd appreciate it. Don Worthy (new guy) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
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Re: Van Dorn ends
centga@...
The C of Ga had a series of cars with Van Dorn ends. I don't have my information with me at the moment but if anyone is interested I can dig it out. Todd Horton
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From: Westerfield <westerfield@charter.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:18:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I recall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting. - Al Westerfield ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred in Vt. To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends List, Have the unusual Van Dorn patent car ends ever been made available in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also, when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help. Fred Freitas SPONSORED LINKS Worldwide travel insurance Travel trailer insurance International travel insurance Travel insurance usa Travel medical insurance Csa travel insurance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: HO retainer valves
Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
Group and Denny,
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Well, I hate to admit to faking it, but I do. I install either an .008 or .010 trainer line first securing the top in a small hole (usually #78) drilled at about where the valve should be. I then cement the valve so that the line appears to run into the bottom as intended. I believe the PSC valves are made with a lug that you can push into a small hole to make the attachment stronger. Testors for plastic to plastic, ACC for other applications. STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS used retainer valves. Mont Switzer
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:11 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: HO retainer valves I often finesse the modeling of retainer valves because of my common personal inability to actually < < < see > and/or < orient > this tiny detail part, or actually grasp the part with any tool so that it does not sail off into the thick carpet pile sunset. If I have survived so far, then I face actually mounting the valve reliably in a correct position with correct orientation, and at last butting the air line to the valve in some way that it too doesn't disappear into the sunset the first time the car is handled. Now, how do you other listers handle this problem? What valves are the easiest to use and handle? Is there an indexing pin on the back, and a hole for anchoring the .010" air line? Can they be purchased in bulk, i.e. without purchasing an entire brake set, i.e. Tichy? Mont Switzer has mentioned the PSC valves. The only problem there is the $20.00 minimum (a LOT of valves). Denny -- Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: reverse Murphy ends
Jeff English
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:
Also the following NYC Lots: 431-B, NOR S-3600 - S-3849, blt '22 (later NYC 275012 - 275750, mixed with other cars) 485-B, Rutland 8000 - 8199, blt 7=9-24 486-B, Rutland 9000 - 9199, blt 9=10-24 487-B, NOR S-3850 - S-4349, blt '24 (later NYC 275751 - 276248) AFAIK, none of these cars were ever rebuilt with all-steel superstructures. Jeff English Troy, New York America's largest center of cast-iron stove manufacturing in the 19th century.
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Re: HO retainer valves
Greg Martin
Chuck writes:
"Richard, I fully understand the "just stock me up" situation. Fortunately we do a lot of special orders and stock the shop like we are modelers, oh yeah, we are!!! We also happen to have a lot of PSC and Cal Scale parts that we've had for 20 years. We used to have 2 4 foot 3 shelve glass displays with nothing but detail parts, now, it, down to a couple of whirly gigs standing on the floor and a few boxes on a shelf. Seems that "modelers" around Central Virginia are fairly happy with the detailed RTR stuff. Heck in the past year we've only restocked clapboard siding twice, and all we sell is trains and accessories. Thanks for listening. Chuck Hladik" Chuck, Sounds like a great shop... Now can I get driving directions from Salem, OR... I'll be right over! 3^) Seriously, can you contact me offline with some details of your shop like a website or at least address, etc.? Greg Martin
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Re: CGW ARA boxcars
bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
All had vertical wheel hand brakes as follows:
CGW 85000-85998 - Ajax CGW 86000-86998 - Superior CGW 87000-87998 - order split between Ajax & Equipco The correct Equipco 3160 is made by Red Caboose as a part of what kit I don't remember. The Superior 566 available from the C&NWHS is a later design. The early Superior is illustrated on page 25 of Morning Sun's CGW Color Guide. Gene Green --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...> wrote: hand brake?Geared hand brakes. In the only two photos I have where the brake
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Re: DRGW 47 foot Gondolas with Wood Extensions on Great Northern Inside Gateway
Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
gary laakso wrote:
P 344 of Vol.II of The Northwest's Own Railway features a picture ofUtah coal traveled that route in DRGW gons for many years. The cars you mention may be in coke service as coke is a lot lighter than coal. Dave Nelson
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Re: Van Dorn ends
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Come on, Thompson, get real. The SP had ONE B-50-4 with a Van Dorn endRichard, Richard. Better cut back on the coffee <g>. Who said anything about running it on the layout? It's such a neat end, it will make a nice addition to my display case (a use you certainly understand for freight cars <bigger G>). Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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The upcoming Athearn 65' mill gon
Garrett W. Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>
All:
First off, sorry if this has been covered in the past, I have been away from this list for several months and searching the archive turned up nothing... Anyhow, my friend James Bilbrey was nice enough to send me the following links of photos of the upcoming Athearn gons: http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/50563722 http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/50563723 Now, looking at the photos above and photos of the PSC built mill gons (NC&StL, L&N, and SAL cars to be exact) it appears that the Athearan cars are close from what I can see (19 ribs, 10 pairs of stake pockets, the end sill) but I have a few questions for anyone that was at this show or has seen these (Athearn) cars up close elsewhere. 1) Is this in fact a match for the PSC built 65' mill gons 2) The ribs all look "fat" almost like a welded rib on a PRR G32 or the like, not the thin "T" style. 3) Are these prototypes or is the finished product near, the end post/body joints are a bit odd (the end post should stick out further than the side, look at the CB&Q car if this is in fact a PSC car and there is a gap on the Sante Fe car in this area. Any other info would be appreciated also. Thanks- Garrett Rea Nashville, TN
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Re: HO retainer valves
Rob Adams
Denny;
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Depending on the type of retainer valve you need, most of the Westerfield kits include extras. Since I have a large number of Al's kits, both built and not, I've not found it necessary to buy retainers to this point. They do not typically have indexing pins or a hole for anchoring the line, however. Some of my Sunshine kits include extras also. So, your parts drawer may already be more thoroughly stocked than you realize. Regards, Rob Adams Denny Anspach wrote:
I often finesse the modeling of retainer valves because of my common --
Rob Adams Wellman, IA steamera@netins.net Modeling Keokuk, IA operations and the CB&Q's K&W branch, circa 1938 http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com
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loosing parts in thick carpets
ed_mines
Denny's experience with loosing retainer valves reminds me of the time
I tried to assemble Walthers sprung trucks (the ones made of plastic) in a Holiday Inn outside of Cleveland (early '80s?). I lost the springs for 3 trucks in one sitting. I also demolished one of the chairs at the table. It broke into about 10 pieces when I sat on it. I glued it back together with Ambroid cement and it looked good enough to fool the hotel management. Ed
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