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Re: Soo Line SS Boxcar

soolinehistory <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jerry" <jrs060@m...> wrote:

Say Dennis I wonder if you could clear up some misinformation
on the painting of the cars. When did the Soo Line stop
painting the black herald backround on the "Dollar Sign" logo?
I'm thinkin it was in the late 1940's, just before the change
to that awful large "SOO LINE" logo on the steel house cars?
Many ex-Soo Liner's hated the large lettering as I do myself,
but you know we all loved the old "Dollar Sign".
Jerry,

It's hard to say with any authority, as the General Mechanical Office
files that would have the information seem to no longer exist, so all
I can cite is photos, and it is sometimes hard to distinguish the
black from the FCR car.

Builder's photos of the cars show black backgrounds, at least through
1926, and I don't see any reason that there'd be a change before the
beginning of the Great Depression. I have a copy of a nice photo of
one of the 1913 built cars with the new data arrangement and a 1933
scale date, and it has a black background, so repaints done during the
period must have also been done this way.

During the late thirties and through WWII, the railroad was in the
throes of an austerity program, as both the Soo Line and leased
subsidiary Wisconsin Central were in bankruptcy. Use of the "$" herald
with an "open" (car color) background on cabooses is well documented,
but harder to do so on freight cars. It may well be that they just
weren't repainting many freight cars. However, builders photos of all
the new steel AAR boxcars that came from Pullman during the late
thirties and early forties definitely show black backgrounds in the
heralds. This may reflect the lack of any incremental cost difference
on new cars, compared to the more closely accounted for costs in
their own shops.

After WWII, when the Soo began assembling their own cars at the WC
shops in North Fond du Lac, the original run of cars built in 1949 had
heralds without any black. This continued with the "sawtooth" cars
rebuilt with new roofs and underframes in 1950, when the Korean
conflict put the crimp on steel supplies for building new cars, and
again when new car construction resumed in 1951. Midway through the
1951 production is when the first "boxcar block" lettering was
introduced; the lettering wandering around the car side a bit until
they settled on the placement they wanted, and this was the effective
end of the use of the "$" herald on new cars, although it re-appeared
with a black background on cabooses about this same time.

Based on this, I'd say that the majority of "sawtooth" cars seen after
WWII would not have black in the heralds; only old cars not repainted
since the early thirties still having black heralds. However, I can't
discount the fact that one of the smaller car shops was still using
black, since it was still in use on cabooses, and certainly enough
steel cars were coming in with black heralds. Photos taken in the
fifties show most wood cars with "open" heralds.

Hope this helps.

Dennis Storzek


Re: N'ville Aftermath

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

I wonder why isn't the ACTUAL time the room will open advertised?
I would guess that Martin opens the sales room when the room is ready and
everything is set up. The stated opening time may be his deadline for being
ready. I was a little surprised myself this year when I wandered in about
2:30 for a preview and found them making sales.

I worked in a hobby shop for a while and I unlocked the doors a little early
if I was ready and there was a customer waiting. I wish more stores worked
that way. I hate arriving at 9:57 and waiting for the clock watching staff
to unlock the door at official opening time.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: Gluing Kadee running boards.

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

"Clark Propst" <cepropst@...> writes-

Has anyone tried this stuff? I friend has had good luck fastening Kadee running boards with it.
Clark Propst
http://wwwtapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=286

This URL does not work for me.

However, I have had excellent luck with the Kadee boards with Barge Cement. A tiny drop on each support, and then just press it on, position it well, clamp it sufficiently that it will not move, let it set for about an hour, and wait 12 hours to handle. If you do it right, you will not visually be aware of the cement at all.

As it sets, I surmise that as the glue slowly sets up, fingers of this fine contact cement are actually being able to mechanically and securely grab some of the fine structural elements of this slippery structure. Surmise, not science, however.

BTW, Barge Cement is NOT Goo; although with a very fresh tube of Goo, the careful modeler may possibly be able to use it in the same way.

Denny

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Sacramento, California


Re: Greenville gondolas (was matches for Champ HG-105)

Larry Kline
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
Has anyone compiled a roster of original owners of the Proto 2000
gondolas?

Ed Hawkins replied: Tim, Try RP CYC #3.

Also, there is a Pullman PS-5 article with a roster by Jim Kinkaid in
Rail Model Journal, Sept-99, pp 21-27. There is very little ovrlap
between these two rosters.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: Greenville gondolas (was matches for Champ HG-105)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, ERIE, for one (and first).

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:11 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Greenville gondolas (was matches for
Champ HG-105)


Both NYC and P&LE owned Greenville drop-end gondolas... which
leads me to ask, has anyone compiled a roster of original
owners of the Proto 2000 gondolas? I can't find one in my
email archives...

Tim O'Connor



I'm working on a model of a New York Central 52ft AAR
gondola, series
712500-713099, built 1949, using the Proto 2000 kit. I'd
like to paint
and letter it for a car that was shopped and repainted in the mid to
late 1950s.



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Re: Greenville gondolas (was matches for Champ HG-105)

Tim O'Connor
 

Both NYC and P&LE owned Greenville drop-end gondolas... which leads
me to ask, has anyone compiled a roster of original owners of the
Proto 2000 gondolas? I can't find one in my email archives...

Tim O'Connor

I'm working on a model of a New York Central 52ft AAR gondola, series
712500-713099, built 1949, using the Proto 2000 kit. I'd like to
paint and letter it for a car that was shopped and repainted in the
mid to late 1950s.


Re: P2K 50' SSW 20000 - 20094 series paint match

Bruce Smith
 

On Sun, November 6, 2005 7:12 am, armand premo wrote:
How much of a job would it be to have companies add "matching paint" to
the information supplied with a model?Armand Premo
Armand,

Almost impossible, as has been noted here before. Manufacturers generally
do NOT use hobbiest paints and in many cases use special mixes made up for
a specific project. Therefore, there ain't no stinkin match!

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Coupler gearbox.

Bruce Smith
 

On Sun, November 6, 2005 6:28 am, Arnold wrote:
Sirs,

What is the prototypically correct coupler gearbox for the ARA X-29,
1924 X-29, and 1937 AAR boxcar?
Kadee #78 perhaps?

Regards,
Arnold
Let me beat Ben to the punch <G> - no dashes in PRR classes (eg. X29)

As noted, the Accurail box will work. You can also use the Kadee #78 if
you remove the Red Caboose box. Finally, if you wish to leave the Red
Caboose box intact, you can use #58 couplers which are a "drop in" fit,
but that does not give scale width.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: P2K 50' SSW 20000 - 20094 series paint match

jerryglow2
 

Unfortunately, not easy. Most of the manufacturers use commercial
formulations not available to or compatible with hobbiests application
equipment.

Jerry

--- In STMFC@..., "armand premo" <armprem@s...> wrote:

How much of a job would it be to have companies add "matching paint"
to the
information supplied with a model?Armand Premo


Prototype matches for Champ HG-105 NYC gondola decals

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm working on a model of a New York Central 52ft AAR gondola, series
712500-713099, built 1949, using the Proto 2000 kit. I'd like to
paint and letter it for a car that was shopped and repainted in the
mid to late 1950s. Would the Champ HG-105 decal set be appropriate?
The description for this set states that it includes P&LE reporting
marks. Are these in addition to the NYC reporting marks, or does it
come with only P&LE marks?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: Coupler gearbox.

Tim O'Connor
 

The Accurail scale coupler box is your best choice for those.

At 07:28 AM 11/6/2005, you wrote:
Sirs,

What is the prototypically correct coupler gearbox for the ARA X-29,
1924 X-29, and 1937 AAR boxcar?
Kadee #78 perhaps?

Regards,
Arnold
Netherlands.


Re: P2K 50' SSW 20000 - 20094 series decals

Tim O'Connor
 

Rob, don't forget CDS Dry Transfers -- he did -5- different SSW
Blue Streak sets: 179, 180, 609, 610, 686. They range from 1941
to 1957. I'm sure you'll be wanting to measure those too! :-)

Tim O'Connor

Here is another way of expressing my question regarding the decals that
might be used to model this series of 50' single door cars: does anyone
have a set of the microscale 87-38 50' double door box car SSW decal set?
Likewise the 87-219 assorted freight cars from the 70's SSW set?

Or how about the Champ SSW boxcar decal, SHS-216?

Or the Herald King Cotton Belt sets: B-570, B-571, B-572 or B-573

If so, and if the car numbers are in white, can you please measure the
height and width of the car number decals.

Rob Kirkham


GATX Insulated Tank Cars

Roger Robar <rrobar@...>
 

When where the GATX [#37,000 series] 10,000 Gallon Insulated tank cars
built? They are listed in my 1949 and 1954 ORER's. The Proto 2000 models
look very nice and I assume are very accurate renditions of the prototype.
Thanks in advance for your comments.

Roger Robar


Re: P2K 50' SSW 20000 - 20094 series paint match

armprem
 

How much of a job would it be to have companies add "matching paint" to the
information supplied with a model?Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "bierglaeser" <bierglaeser@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: P2K 50' SSW 20000 - 20094 series paint match


Two good question. I'd like to know, too.

This post brought a question to my mind. A few times I have gone to
the paint store to get paint matched for some project around the
ranch. I was always told they needed a sample at least the size of a
quarter for their computerized paint matching gizmotron. I was
always satisfied with their matches. Better than have 'new' paint,
they matched the existing paint in its faded, aged or dirty
condition. Very helpful for patching.

Has such a machine every been used to solve exactly the sort of
problem Rob has? I realize that paint store paint won't work on a
model but ...

Gene Green
Out in the West Texas Town of El Paso

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@s...> wrote:

I've been working at adding a pile of ACR rivets to a P2K 50' car
to model
SSW 20067 as seen in Vancouver in 1946. So far I have managed to
save the
paint/lettering. It was a bit mind numbing, but over a month or
so it was
do-able, and I'll consider trying it again some time.

After completing the rivets, I noticed the deaper side sill beneath
the
doors in some of the photos that members of this list kindly
provided last
January, and added a strip of bright white styrene to the bottom
edge of the
car sides. Not very nice to look at!

So two questions:

1) what colour/brand of paint is a decent match to the P2K model?
It looks
like a kind of brownish tuscan red, more than an oxide or mineral
red colour
to my eyes. I'd prefer an acrylic, but will live with anything
that is a
good match. (By the time the car is well weathered like SSW 20067,
exactness isn't required anyway, but I thought I'd ask in case
someone has
taken this path before.)

2) are there decals that will allow me to remove the last two
digits of the
model car number, and re-decal in a style and size that matches, or
is this
a hopeless plan? If so, what decal set would be a good replacement
for the
whole number?

Thanks in advance

Rob Kirkham








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Re: N'ville Aftermath

blair kooistra <bkooistra@...>
 

Clark wrote:
"I was just scanning through the latest message list at YAhoo groups. I see lots of messages about Martin's stuff, but little about the rest of the meet. I'm curious as to what people thought of the 'vendors day' this year. I picked up Gene's new reefer book (which is well worth the discounted price) I also got some of Ted's stuff. Has anyone tried his decals yet? I didn't get a chance to ask if you could order the new resin kits there."

Since you asked. . .

I thought the vendors day was GREAT. It was a super opportunity to see products discussed on this and other lists that really have no chance of making it into my local hobby retailer's store. I loaded up on Modelers Choice stuff and appreciated seeing the Southern Car & Foundry Harriman cars.

The only nit I had to pick: I realize schedules change due to unforseen circumstances, but Thursday we busted our humps to get back from picking a member of the group up from O-Hare in time to be back for the advertised 4pm opening of the Sunshine room. . . we got there at 4:05, and discovered that it'd been open for a couple of hours already, and at least a couple of the cars I'd really wanted to purchase had already been sold out. I was later told by a veteran Naperville attendee that it is "normal" for Martin to open up the room earlier than advertised. I guess if that's "normal", then I wonder why isn't the ACTUAL time the room will open advertised? Or does that just give me a leg up on next year's first-time attendees in getting Sunshine cars in 2006??

Other than that, really enjoyed the weekend. Some AWESOME modeling, and I'm certainly motivated to work harder on my own projects!

--blair kooistra
fort worth, TX


Coupler gearbox.

Arnold van Heyst
 

Sirs,

What is the prototypically correct coupler gearbox for the ARA X-29,
1924 X-29, and 1937 AAR boxcar?
Kadee #78 perhaps?

Regards,
Arnold
Netherlands.


Re: Prototype matches for Champ HG-105 NYC gondola decals

Captain Dudley
 

Mark:
I have several of those sets and they do include the NYC reporting marks as
well as the P&LE.


Mike Dudley


Re: Intermountain stock car trucks

Victor Rance
 

Hi Steve,

I had problems with mine initially (one in particular) and found that on one
truck the wheels were out of round and not square to the axle. It would not
stay on the track.

Changed the wheels/axles on that truck for a pair of P2K's and no further
problems. Also ran "The Tool" reamer in all bearing holes on all cars to
clean them up (I do this as a matter of course with all new rolling stock).

As usual ymmv.

Regards,

Victor Rance, Adelaide, South Australia

Modeling the Santa Fe Howard, KS, Branch

-----Original Message-----

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Steve Sandifer

Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2005 11:56 AM

To: STMFC@...

Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain stock car trucks





I have had a lot of problems keeping my ATSF Intermountain stock cars on the
track. I have loosened the truck screws but that has not corrected the
problem. Anyone else have that problem. What trucks are a good replacement?
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P2K 50' SSW 20000 - 20094 series decals

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Here is another way of expressing my question regarding the decals that might be used to model this series of 50' single door cars: does anyone have a set of the microscale 87-38 50' double door box car SSW decal set? Likewise the 87-219 assorted freight cars from the 70's SSW set?

Or how about the Champ SSW boxcar decal, SHS-216?

Or the Herald King Cotton Belt sets: B-570, B-571, B-572 or B-573

If so, and if the car numbers are in white, can you please measure the height and width of the car number decals.

Rob Kirkham


Re: Railroad magazines, journals: Free.

George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
 

Denny,

Several years worth of magazines can be fit into one of the Priority Flat Rate boxes and be shipped for $7.70, beats media mail even! I shipped 17-18 pounds this way once.

Denny Anspach <danspach@...> wrote:
Pardon the multiple postings:

I am significantly reducing inventory and will be getting rid of the following:

TRAINS magazines, c. 1970-1999. Most years are complete.
LOCOMOTIVE & RAILWAY PRESERVATION #'s 1-54 (I think that all are
there), 1986-95.
RAILFAN & RAILROAD. 2000-2004.

These are all free as a group only at this time FOB Sacramento.

If there are no takers, all will be retired to the recycling bin.

Please Note: Shipping costs for bulk magazines can be expensive.

If interested, please contact me only off line.

Thanks!

Denny
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