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Re: PS -1 BOX Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

No vendor has researched the PS-1 more deeply than Kadee, and
their web site used to have quite a bit of detailed information on the
progression of features that were incorporated into PS box cars from
the late 40's through the early 60's. The info may still be there FAIK.

I am not aware of any "zits" that were affixed to any PS-1 design.
Most of the 1950 and later PS-1's had "dimples" (much cuter) on the
ends, and I think someone once explained their purpose, and so I
promptly forgot what it was.

Kadee basically makes two PS-1 40 foot cars -- the "1950-1953" and
the "post-1953". They include several door sizes, and a couple of end
differences. They make a bunch of 50 foot cars too. They've never done
the pre-1950 cars because are they are such a hodge-podge of sides,
doors, underframes and ends. A great resin candidate, IMO!

Tim O'Connor

Thus, most of the PS-1 models may not be appropriate for PS-1
boxcars built before 1951 as the "good ones" have the "zits."
Tim Gilbert


Re: Digest Number 2770

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

That would be Brian Leppert, and the truck looked terrific<
When will they be available?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: PS -1 BOX Cars

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tim,

Not quite. The reenforcing tabs were first applied in 1949. Cars built in 1947 and 1948 lack them. In 1950, Pullman added the extra stiffeners on the outermost roof panels.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Tim Gilbert wrote:

Ed Hawkins wrote in response to Matt Strickland:


Matt,
The first cars came in June 1947 for Lehigh Valley. Others receiving
PS-1s in 1947 were CGW, MEC, BM, ATSF, NH, and KCS. There's been
numerous articles and many photos published in RMJ over the past 15
years on the general subject of PS-1s, in particular during March 93 to
December 94 plus other small fillers since that time.
So far as I can determine, none of these early PS-1's had the "zits" (small stampings) in the apex of the cars' ends. These "zits," I believe, were not standard equipment until 1951.

Thus, most of the PS-1 models may not be appropriate for PS-1 Boxcars built before 1951 as the "good ones" have the "zits."

Tim Gilbert




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Re: Digest Number 2770

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I have been able to go to hardware stores with a paint sample and have
it mixed and matched.in small quantities.................<
There should be a very large (or small, grin) difference in hardware
stores paints vs model paints. The pigments in model paints should be very
much smaller. This is very noticeable in many cases.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: PS -1 BOX Cars

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Ed Hawkins wrote in response to Matt Strickland:



Matt,
The first cars came in June 1947 for Lehigh Valley. Others receiving
PS-1s in 1947 were CGW, MEC, BM, ATSF, NH, and KCS. There's been
numerous articles and many photos published in RMJ over the past 15
years on the general subject of PS-1s, in particular during March 93 to
December 94 plus other small fillers since that time.
So far as I can determine, none of these early PS-1's had the "zits" (small stampings) in the apex of the cars' ends. These "zits," I believe, were not standard equipment until 1951.

Thus, most of the PS-1 models may not be appropriate for PS-1 Boxcars built before 1951 as the "good ones" have the "zits."

Tim Gilbert


Re: P2K 50' SSW 20000 - 20094 series paint match

Greg Martin
 

Armand writes...


I have been able to go to hardware stores with a paint sample and have
it mixed and matched.in small quantities.................Not 50 gallons,but
enough to meet my needs.Why pay $3 plus for 2 ounces?I think we have become
accustomed to use only "hobby"paint.Armand Premo
I have as well, just recently I had to get my wife another quart can of Smoke Sage
(her favorite fashion color currently) to finish the dining room as a gallon would have been
too much but in my way of thinking she's in love with this color and a gallon would have
saved me another trip...
No, can I run down and get a pint of PRR Freight car color in a full oil based enamel, not likely and
then who wants to thin it down enough to get it throung my Badger airbrush...
Let be realistic... the soltion is to start with colors on this end that will match something we can
match in the future... Walthers has been good enough to listen...
Ratso


new business model for Bob

ed_mines
 

You guys who spend time with Bob (Bob's photos), why don't you get
him to start cataloging the prints as he has them made up and
selling them over the internet?

There are easy solutions to returns (men copying the prints and then
sending them back) - a policy of no returns. Almost anyone else
doing business with checks waits for them to clear too.

Bob's business model is different from most of the other guys
selling prints - he has multiple prints made up by a semiautomatic
machine and keeps them in inventory. He has a lot less of an
investment in each print, but traveling is a big expense most of the
others don't have. Sure they go to a few shows now and then, but he
goes almost every weekend and frequently travels for days each way
(Naperville must have been a 6 or 8 day excursion).

I've heard Bob wants to slow down and visit fewer shows; this would
be a good opportunity to cash in without going to the shows.

After each show someone fills up the books and must order additional
prints to replenish the supply.

I'm sure Bob could pick up additional sales if he hired a teenager
to catalog those prints and keep that catalog updated on the
internet. I'm sure after a year there would be 1000 plus prints on
the list.

Even guys who see Bob a couple of times a year would check the list.
Some of these new prints could be sold out by the time the get to go
through the books or the buyer could run out of money. How many of
you missed out on something you wanted at Naperville?

Bob's out of pocket expenses would be peanuts compared to the
lengthy trips. I'm sure a high schooler and whoever picks and packs
the orders would be happy with $10/hr.

Of course unscrupulous people could copy the prints, but they can do
that now if they go to a show and buy a print off the table.

Ed


Re: Rivet size

Bruce Smith
 

On Nov 7, 2005, at 1:41 PM, PBowers wrote:
Further to this, has any one used Tichy rivet heads? I would expect these
are "rivets on a pin" that you drill a hole for. Any info on these would
be appreciated!!

Peter Bowers
Peter,

I have used the tichy rivets and I think they work well, Yes, they are basically rivets on a pin. One challenge is to get the hole big enough for the pin yet smaller than the head, and another challenge is to drill the holes in a straight and even spaced line. You can also use the rivets without the stalk.


Regards
Bruce

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sawtooth car variations was Re: Soo Line SS Boxcar

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

Martin is going to issue the IGN & StLB&M versions. I have loaned him
my photos for the PDS. Frank Hodina is doing the patterns.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@c...> wrote:

Anyone know if there's a possibility he'll produce it as MP (actually
IGN & StLB&M) versions since he did a kitbash article in RMC years
ago
to do these cars using the then available Storzak kit?

Jerry Glow


Rivet size

PBowers <waiting@...>
 

Could any one tell me what the head size would be on rivets used on the side of cars? Would rivets on hoppers be bigger than those on box cars due to the load being directly against the outer steel? I don't have easy access to any rail cars except an old wood sheathed caboose and the frame rivets are about 1 1/8" on it.

Further to this, has any one used Tichy rivet heads? I would expect these are "rivets on a pin" that you drill a hole for. Any info on these would be appreciated!!

Peter Bowers


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Capeline Trucks

ed_mines
 

I think some of the trucks sold by Capeline have more recent tooling.
I bought a pair of the Erie caboose trucks from the E-L society and
they are certainly of recent design. Many of the old clunkers are from
the Red Ball line.

They are a little pricy, but that might have to do with the alloy that
thery cast them in which probably doesn't contain lead any more.

Ed


Re: ATSF Stock cars

Steve Sandifer <jssand@...>
 

Thanks for the link. This means that the S, T, and U are out with K brakes and early lettering. The S is the double deck version and in the photo you can see the chain lift mechanism for the second deck (though it looks distorted from shipping?). It could be used with the deck lowered for sheep, goats, and hogs and with the deck up for taller livestock. All are shown with vertical staff brakes.

All were converted to AB brakes I believe, so I will wait for that version. The reporting marks became A. T. S. F. in 1938 and ATSF in 1943.

I see where Sunshine has come out with SK-Z and SK-5 cars in resin. You can have quite an ATSF fleet now between Intermountain, Sunshine, and Westerfield.
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Did I miss something? What's with the yellow on the doors?

SGL



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Railmaster

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "armand premo" <armprem@s...> wrote:
There was another company,I believe the name was Railmaster,that made
a 65'gondola as well as some paneled hoppers.

Yes, I have 'em in my collection. They're cast in metal, similar to
the Ulrich cars. They made a USRA hopper too.

The rivets on the gon are pretty coarse, but these cars must be at
least 50 years old.

The corner posts on the hoppers are oversized.

My recollection is that sprung trucks were included in the kits.

Ed


Re: N'ville atfermath

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

As a first-time Naperville attendee, I can say it was an
interesting, and overall enjoyable experience - marred
only by the fire alarm at 5am Saturday morning. I was
told by the firemen that some poor unfortunate soul on the
7th floor tried to microwave their food and burned it, thus
causing all the commotion.

I spent the bulk of my time in Bob's suite going through
photo albums - talk about being in a candy store! What's
amazing is that he has some 30,000+ negatives (some recently
acquired) that he hasn't printed yet, in addition to the 700
albums that make up his printed inventory. At this rate he'll
need an 18-wheeler to haul everything to future shows.

The vendor sale on Saturday was indeed a feeding frenzy - I
regret that I somehow missed Gene Greene and Mark Vaugn's tables.
Chairs are a nice idea, but as crowded as that room was I think
they would probably cause a bigger problem than they might solve.

Of the few clinics I was able to attend, I have to say Bill McCoy's
on Central of Georgia boxcars was the most impressive. Thoroughly
researched and well presented - thank you Bill!

The only downside of the trip was Chicago itself - people there
drive worse than in LA (is that possible?).

And those toll roads have GOT to go...

Shawn Beckert


Re: Railshops Models

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

I believe I've heard references to Railshops on another list. They've made
several post-steam era freight car kits and this may be their first venture
into our era.


Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: Dalman trucks (was Eastern Car Works Trucks)

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Then you are in luck, Jon, because someone at Naperville was showing
off a beautiful newly tooled HO Dalman two-level delrin truck model, with
two styles of bolster end inserts, and properly located brake shoes/beams.
I forget his name (!) but he used to work for Model Die Casting and is
now setting out on his own.
That would be Brian Leppert, and the truck looked terrific.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


PS -1 BOX Cars

matt
 

Hi,

Can anyone tell me when PS-1 box cars were first used? and which
railroads were the first few to use them?

Thanks for your help

MATT


Re: Coupler Gear Box

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Arnold in the Netherlands asked: "Before I buy the Accumate Proto gearboxes,Can anyone tell me if it is possible to put the boxes underneath a Red Caboose (X-29?) boxcar and use a Kadee # 58 in it?"
Why not buy the Kadee no. 78 instead? It's a scale-size coupler like the 58 already assembled in a close-to-scale-width box. It can be installed on the floor of the Red Caboose X29 with a small screw - the hole in the coupler box is a clearance hole for a 0-80 machine screw - but it might require a shim to get the height exact.

good luck,

Andy

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Model Railroader magazine
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Fax: 262-796-1142
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Re: Eastern Car Works Trucks

Dave Owens
 

John Greene, aka Bethlehem Car Works, has the old Cape Line trucks line.

http://www.bethlehemcarworks.com/Products/Kit_Bits/index.html#Trucks

Dave Owens


Re: Dalman trucks (was Eastern Car Works Trucks)

Tim O'Connor
 

Then you are in luck, Jon, because someone at Naperville was showing
off a beautiful newly tooled HO Dalman two-level delrin truck model, with
two styles of bolster end inserts, and properly located brake shoes/beams.
I forget his name (!) but he used to work for Model Die Casting and is
now setting out on his own. He wants to sell them with .088 wheels but
I encouraged him to sell just the trucks in large quantities :-) I need at
least 25 pairs of 'em...

Tim O'Connor


Jon Miller wrote

I would like to get a bunch of Dalman two-level but have always felt that the
Red Ball (Cape Line) and Eastern Car Works trucks just didn't look very good.
I would like to see a plastic one piece truck at the level of Accurail or IM!

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