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Re: Call for slides
Gene,
Only slides? No 35mm or 120 negs? Is that Morning Sun policy? Tim
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Re: Call for slides
Paul LaCiura <paul.jeseng@...>
Gene,
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Why do they have to demount the slides? I use a Minolta Dimage scanner that loads 4-5 at a time in their mounts. I am just curious as to why they do this. It seems unnecessary. Paul Paul LaCiura San Francisco, CA spdaylight.com
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of bierglaeser Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:55 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Call for slides I am working on the C&NW color guide for Morning Sun. I envision a two-volume set with 250 to 350 images in each. In addition to the freight and passenger cars, maintenance-of-way equipment and cabooses of the C&NW and Omaha Road, the books will also include quite a nice selection of images of M&StL, Litchfield & Madison, Des Moines & Central Iowa and FtDDM&S freight cars and MOW equipment. Coverage of plain old flat cars and wooden cabooses is lacking. Also lacking are slides of CNW or CMO box cars with slogans such as "Route of the Streamliners," etc. If anyone has slides they would like to loan for the book please contact me directly at bierglaeser@.... That is bierglaeser at yahoo dot com. Slides from the 1940s, 1950s and early 1960s are almost certain to be used unless they are very poorly exposed or composed. Slides from the 1970s and 1980s will be used only if they fill a real gap. Slides from the 1990s are undesireable although a few will likely appear in the book. The Morning Sun "deal" is this; loan some slides that we use and get a free copy of the book they are used in. CAUTION: Your slide mounts will be opened and the film removed for scanning. Sorry, but that's how Morning Sun does it nowadays. If you don't want your slides opened, don't submit them. I understand. Having my slides opened bothers me but having the images preserved forever and available to all is more important to me. Gene Green Out in the West Texas Town of El Paso Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/163 - Release Date: 11/8/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/163 - Release Date: 11/8/2005
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Re: C&NW color guide for Morning Sun
Thomas Baker
In regard to color guides, well, a C&NW color guide would be invaluable. I have long wondered whether those who do such research have really uncovered all that is out there. I suppose that's an unanswerable question. Whether some early railfan photographer experimented with in the late Forties or early Fifties with color film, I can't say. I am convinced, however, that more in black and white is out there. It seems that Bob has a wealth of negatives. John Gruber purchased the Martarano collection, so I have heard, and Mr. Martarano once told me that he had many more negatives than he ever printed up. I noticed on one occasion that he had a repertoire of refrigerator car photos. All black and white of course, but at least they provide a guide.
Tom ________________________________
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Re: Call for slides
Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
I may have some and will look thru my collection.
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-- Thanks! Brian Ehni
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Call for slides
bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
I am working on the C&NW color guide for Morning Sun. I envision a
two-volume set with 250 to 350 images in each. In addition to the freight and passenger cars, maintenance-of-way equipment and cabooses of the C&NW and Omaha Road, the books will also include quite a nice selection of images of M&StL, Litchfield & Madison, Des Moines & Central Iowa and FtDDM&S freight cars and MOW equipment. Coverage of plain old flat cars and wooden cabooses is lacking. Also lacking are slides of CNW or CMO box cars with slogans such as "Route of the Streamliners," etc. If anyone has slides they would like to loan for the book please contact me directly at bierglaeser@.... That is bierglaeser at yahoo dot com. Slides from the 1940s, 1950s and early 1960s are almost certain to be used unless they are very poorly exposed or composed. Slides from the 1970s and 1980s will be used only if they fill a real gap. Slides from the 1990s are undesireable although a few will likely appear in the book. The Morning Sun "deal" is this; loan some slides that we use and get a free copy of the book they are used in. CAUTION: Your slide mounts will be opened and the film removed for scanning. Sorry, but that's how Morning Sun does it nowadays. If you don't want your slides opened, don't submit them. I understand. Having my slides opened bothers me but having the images preserved forever and available to all is more important to me. Gene Green Out in the West Texas Town of El Paso
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Re: C&NW color guide for Morning Sun
Gene, I was just looking at my Color Guide collection the other day
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and thinking "Why the heck hasn't anyone done a C&NW book?" :-) Most of the books contain a wealth of photos from the 1960's and 1970's, and not a few from the 1950's. I have a couple hundred color slides of freight cars from the 1950's I got from Dan Smith so I know they exist. Richard is mostly concerned with the pre-1950 era so in his case, color shots are hard to find. I think the books are an invaluable record and in 20 years it won't be possible to produce them with the same quality because a lot of experience and knowledge will have been lost forever. Anyway, I will reply: old faded cars are fine. Most important to me is the quality and clarity of the photo. And I'm happy with shots of cars in MofW service if that was their fate and no other shots are available. Best of all is an original photo and a repaint photo, to chronicle the changes the car went through. And yes, plenty of people model the era after 1960 (at least occasionally), including many people on this list. With regard to second-hand cars, especially CGW and M&StL -- I would check back in those volumes first, and if the same car appears in those books, then a C&NW repaint would just go into a lower priority pile... then it would be used only if needed to illustrate a point, or because it was an exceptionally good photo, or if it were a very common car in later years. And keep in mind that some cars have been covered very well in other places -- like C&NW billboard box cars by Jeff Koehler, for example. (At one point he was talking about doing a multi-volume C&NW book series.) So a dozen color photos of those cars might be less important to a reader than other stuff. Clear as mud? Tim O'Connor
Let's take a poll. Well, it would probably be more accurate to
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SFRD reefers sold to PRR
SUVCWORR@...
The PRR acquired at least one former SFRD reefer (not sure of the class) for
ice service at I believe it was Trenton. (A photo of this car has been published in several books.) This reefer was used to store ice for passenger car air conditioning. I am seeking answers to several questions about these cars. How many did the PRR acquire? When were they acquired? To which passenger terminals were they assigned? What was the SFRD class of this/these reefers? TIA Rich Orr
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C&NW color guide for Morning Sun
bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
Let's take a poll. Well, it would probably be more accurate to
say, "I'd like some feedback." I am working on the C&NW color guide for Morning Sun. I envision a two-volume set with 250 to 350 images in each. Richard Hendrickson recently, and correctly, observed that the color guides aren't of much use to this group because the use of color slides wasn't sufficiently widespread before 1960. While I have some material from the 1950s, I expect most of the material to be from slides exposed in the 1970s and 1980s. The object is to find those slides taken later than we would wish but that show cars in their condition and paint as they must have been in the 1950s or, dare we hope, even earlier. Here's where I would like some feedback. If you could only see one slide would you prefer an old faded car with original paint or a fresh repaint? Would you want an image of an older car in MOW service if no other image of that car series was available? How do you feel about cars from acquired roads painted in the parent road's colors? Do any of you model such cars? I expect most modelers would be interested, to some extent or another, in the freight cars of the C&NW but not the cabooses, passenger equipment or maintenance-of-way equipment. If I packed all the freight car material in one volume and all the rest in the other would that increase your interest in purchasing the freight car volume even though you don't model the C&NW directly? Thank you for any comments you care to make. I suppose it would be best if you contacted me directly at bierglaeser at yahoo dot com. Gene Green Out in the West Texas Town of El Paso
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Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car
SamClarke
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Glad to be of help. We have a nice close up slide of car #27471 from Michael Bradley that shows the left side gusset. The gussets look similar to some that are used on the later 50 foot PS-1s. They are riveted, however, the top portion looks as though it is under the side panel where no distinct seam appears but just a fold and rivets. This is the way the drawings indicate on some of the 50 foot cars. If you contact me directly off list I'll try and get some dimensions for you. Sam Clarke Kadee Quality Products
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From: "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car Hello Sam and Ed,
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Re: NATX-4753 2 Compartment Tank Car - Steamtown
Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
List,
Thank you to all of you who have responded to my query regarding this car. This car is a very good example as to how complex the identification of private owner tank cars can be due to the multitude of varying specifications for each owner for the type of commodity that needs to be transported. Tom Olsen 7 Boundary Road, West Branch Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479 (302) 738-4292 tmolsen@...
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Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car
Mark Heiden
Hello Sam and Ed,
Thanks for the information; this was exactly what I was looking for! Do either of you know of any good pictures showing the door gussets? I found a photo of RI 27560 on Fallen Flags, but it is difficult to make out the shape of the gussets and whether they are welded or riveted in place (although it does appear that the gusset to the right of the door has rivets along the sloped edge). Thanks, Mark Heiden --- In STMFC@..., <mail@k...> wrote: diagram books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times sosome of the road numbers are hard to read.door openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot bodystyles. have Apex. the generic modern styles (each make has their own little differences butgenerally look similar) but the housings are not generic looking..black and the running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more thanlikely black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.period. regard toI'm others.this one circaThanks.Mark, RailwayOctober. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois timeMuseum has the correspondence files for cars built during this in anperiod. However, be advised the documents are currently stored gainexpress reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to cameaccess. panelwith Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6- handSuperior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the datedbrakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are sides,1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red to beand the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears roofs mayApex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The don't havehave been coated with black car cement when new, however, I theconclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be Stabilizedcase, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes. Railmodeltrucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997 trucks.Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control publishedI photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was appliedJanuary 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly whichto the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets, entirelygive me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated with black car cement.
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Re: Tank Cars
Tony Thompson
Gatwood, Elden wrote:
The single safety valves on each dome are interesting, as are theBuyers of tank cars did indeed choose many external features of cars, but safety valves were not among those; the rules called for one safety valve for up to 6000 gallons of many commodities (thus the need for two such valves on 12,500 gallon cars). Of course heating coils, insulation, and a variety of loading and unloading fixtures were specified by the buyer, but certain combinations thereof were required for certain commodities. There is an informative table on this topic in the back of Kaminski's book on AC&F tank cars. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car
Ed Hawkins
On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:
Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time period.Mark, The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built circa October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois Railway Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this time period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored in an express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to gain access. The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars came with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-panel Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the hand brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are dated 1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red sides, and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears to be Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The roofs may have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I don't have conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often the case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes. A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber Stabilized trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997 Railmodel Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control trucks. I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was published January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still applied to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets, which give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated entirely with black car cement. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: New HO Dalman two-level trucks
Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
I really wish these trucks were available _without_ wheelsets. As II would second Jon's wish in spades. It is increasingly evident to me that critical freight car modelers are choosing the semi-scale wheels as their standards. It is very painful to purchase fine trucks (designed for and aimed at this customer-base), and then have to discard the fine *expensive* wide metal wheels that are included. I will be selling a pile of these discarded wheels this weekend, not for profit (Ha!), but just to get rid of them. I would urge that either inexpensive but serviceable plastic wheel sets be included instead, or that the truck frames be sold independently. I would also second Dennis Storzek and urge that your truck bolster be made to the industry standard. Attempting to lower bolsters that are too high is a true pain. Denny -- Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento
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Re: placing rivets
Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Jim Betz wrote:
Ted,Hello Jim: The issue with a template for what I am thinking of is that the layout and spacing of rivets varies from prototype to prototype. Also, you then impart the dreaded hand drilling element which results in repetitive stress disorders and more broken drill bits. Also, I am looking at this for very specific applications as I am firmly on the stereolithography bandwagon. Regards, Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media 645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437 info@... www.speedwitch.com (650) 787-1912
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Re: placing rivets
Ted,
Wouldn't it make more sense to have some "rivet spacing templates" with different spacings of the line of holes on them. And have them created on a CNC machine. And you lay them over the car side and put the small drill thru. This should be a piece of cake for any one with a CNC mill to create because the programming is very simple. I have a client who "owes me some favors" who has all of the equipment to do this ... what I don't know is "how big you want the template to be". What I'm talking about is the physical size of the template itself in terms of width, lenght, and thickness. You want these out of brass or some other material? (Yes, I'm saying I might have more than just one done. (We've met and I live in San Jose.)
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Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car
SamClarke
In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of our diagram
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books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times so some of the road numbers are hard to read. Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of the door openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot body styles. The doors are as Ed mentioned. Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all others have Apex. Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco 27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing 28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax 29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels were the generic modern styles (each make has their own little differences but generally look similar) but the housings are not generic looking.. Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A 27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3 27750-27849, and others National C-1 The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainly black and the running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more than likely black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have. Sam Clarke Kadee Quality Products
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From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car
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SP Tank Car Dome Measurements
Shawn Beckert
List,
After yesterday's thread on the DA tank car dome and its uses, I went home and dug out the partial diagrams I have for three classes of Southern Pacific tank cars, one of which (O-50-13) can be modeled using the Athearn 42' tank car kit. The results are interesting; in the three classes are two different width (or diameter) domes, with two classes having the same gallonage. Class Drawing Date Gal. Dome Hgt Dome Dia.(int) ------- ------------ ------ --------- -------------- O-50-12 11-9-28 12,500 24" 54" O-50-13 6-26-43 12,500 22" 61 1/2" O-50-14 7-31-43 8,000 19" 54" Note that the height measurements are taken from the top of the tank to the top of the rivet band around the dome, NOT the very top of the dome itself. Also, the drawings confirm what has been mentioned here before, namely that the dome platform on all three classes is on one side only, the left side as you look at the B-end of the car. Shawn Beckert
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New file uploaded to STMFC
STMFC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /P1010018.jpg Uploaded by : losgatos48 <losgatos48@...> Description : A second shot of Chooch's #674 O scale kit. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/P1010018.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, losgatos48 <losgatos48@...>
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New file uploaded to STMFC
STMFC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /final%20b%20end.jpg Uploaded by : losgatos48 <losgatos48@...> Description : Chooch is releasing a new kit in their Ultra Scale II line of 1/48th scale kits. It is a 53' 6" AAR Recommend Practice flatcar. The kit is composed of a one-piece urethane body with a urethane deck. Details are styrene and brass. This is the pilot model that is nearly complete (needs air hoses and cut levers). The kit number is #674 and will be posted on their website soon. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/final%2520b%2520end.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, losgatos48 <losgatos48@...>
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