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Re: Call for slides

Paul LaCiura <paul.jeseng@...>
 

Gene,

Why do they have to demount the slides?

I use a Minolta Dimage scanner that loads 4-5 at a time in their mounts.

I am just curious as to why they do this. It seems unnecessary.

Paul

Paul LaCiura
San Francisco, CA
spdaylight.com

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bierglaeser
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:55 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Call for slides

I am working on the C&NW color guide for Morning Sun. I envision a
two-volume set with 250 to 350 images in each. In addition to the
freight and passenger cars, maintenance-of-way equipment and cabooses
of the C&NW and Omaha Road, the books will also include quite a nice
selection of images of M&StL, Litchfield & Madison, Des Moines &
Central Iowa and FtDDM&S freight cars and MOW equipment.

Coverage of plain old flat cars and wooden cabooses is lacking. Also
lacking are slides of CNW or CMO box cars with slogans such as "Route
of the Streamliners," etc.

If anyone has slides they would like to loan for the book please
contact me directly at bierglaeser@.... That is bierglaeser at
yahoo dot com.

Slides from the 1940s, 1950s and early 1960s are almost certain to be
used unless they are very poorly exposed or composed. Slides from
the 1970s and 1980s will be used only if they fill a real gap.
Slides from the 1990s are undesireable although a few will likely
appear in the book.

The Morning Sun "deal" is this; loan some slides that we use and get
a free copy of the book they are used in.

CAUTION: Your slide mounts will be opened and the film removed for
scanning. Sorry, but that's how Morning Sun does it nowadays. If
you don't want your slides opened, don't submit them. I understand.
Having my slides opened bothers me but having the images preserved
forever and available to all is more important to me.

Gene Green
Out in the West Texas Town of El Paso







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Re: C&NW color guide for Morning Sun

Thomas Baker
 

In regard to color guides, well, a C&NW color guide would be invaluable. I have long wondered whether those who do such research have really uncovered all that is out there. I suppose that's an unanswerable question. Whether some early railfan photographer experimented with in the late Forties or early Fifties with color film, I can't say. I am convinced, however, that more in black and white is out there. It seems that Bob has a wealth of negatives. John Gruber purchased the Martarano collection, so I have heard, and Mr. Martarano once told me that he had many more negatives than he ever printed up. I noticed on one occasion that he had a repertoire of refrigerator car photos. All black and white of course, but at least they provide a guide.

Tom

________________________________


Re: Call for slides

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

I may have some and will look thru my collection.
--
Thanks!


Brian Ehni

From: bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:54:39 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Call for slides

I am working on the C&NW color guide for Morning Sun. I envision a
two-volume set with 250 to 350 images in each. In addition to the
freight and passenger cars, maintenance-of-way equipment and cabooses
of the C&NW and Omaha Road, the books will also include quite a nice
selection of images of M&StL, Litchfield & Madison, Des Moines &
Central Iowa and FtDDM&S freight cars and MOW equipment.

Coverage of plain old flat cars and wooden cabooses is lacking. Also
lacking are slides of CNW or CMO box cars with slogans such as "Route
of the Streamliners," etc.

If anyone has slides they would like to loan for the book please
contact me directly at bierglaeser@.... That is bierglaeser at
yahoo dot com.

Slides from the 1940s, 1950s and early 1960s are almost certain to be
used unless they are very poorly exposed or composed. Slides from
the 1970s and 1980s will be used only if they fill a real gap.
Slides from the 1990s are undesireable although a few will likely
appear in the book.

The Morning Sun "deal" is this; loan some slides that we use and get
a free copy of the book they are used in.

CAUTION: Your slide mounts will be opened and the film removed for
scanning. Sorry, but that's how Morning Sun does it nowadays. If
you don't want your slides opened, don't submit them. I understand.
Having my slides opened bothers me but having the images preserved
forever and available to all is more important to me.

Gene Green
Out in the West Texas Town of El Paso







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Call for slides

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

I am working on the C&NW color guide for Morning Sun. I envision a
two-volume set with 250 to 350 images in each. In addition to the
freight and passenger cars, maintenance-of-way equipment and cabooses
of the C&NW and Omaha Road, the books will also include quite a nice
selection of images of M&StL, Litchfield & Madison, Des Moines &
Central Iowa and FtDDM&S freight cars and MOW equipment.

Coverage of plain old flat cars and wooden cabooses is lacking. Also
lacking are slides of CNW or CMO box cars with slogans such as "Route
of the Streamliners," etc.

If anyone has slides they would like to loan for the book please
contact me directly at bierglaeser@.... That is bierglaeser at
yahoo dot com.

Slides from the 1940s, 1950s and early 1960s are almost certain to be
used unless they are very poorly exposed or composed. Slides from
the 1970s and 1980s will be used only if they fill a real gap.
Slides from the 1990s are undesireable although a few will likely
appear in the book.

The Morning Sun "deal" is this; loan some slides that we use and get
a free copy of the book they are used in.

CAUTION: Your slide mounts will be opened and the film removed for
scanning. Sorry, but that's how Morning Sun does it nowadays. If
you don't want your slides opened, don't submit them. I understand.
Having my slides opened bothers me but having the images preserved
forever and available to all is more important to me.

Gene Green
Out in the West Texas Town of El Paso


Re: C&NW color guide for Morning Sun

Tim O'Connor
 

Gene, I was just looking at my Color Guide collection the other day
and thinking "Why the heck hasn't anyone done a C&NW book?" :-)

Most of the books contain a wealth of photos from the 1960's and
1970's, and not a few from the 1950's. I have a couple hundred
color slides of freight cars from the 1950's I got from Dan Smith so
I know they exist. Richard is mostly concerned with the pre-1950
era so in his case, color shots are hard to find.

I think the books are an invaluable record and in 20 years it won't
be possible to produce them with the same quality because a lot
of experience and knowledge will have been lost forever.

Anyway, I will reply: old faded cars are fine. Most important to me
is the quality and clarity of the photo. And I'm happy with shots of
cars in MofW service if that was their fate and no other shots are
available. Best of all is an original photo and a repaint photo, to
chronicle the changes the car went through. And yes, plenty of
people model the era after 1960 (at least occasionally), including
many people on this list.

With regard to second-hand cars, especially CGW and M&StL -- I
would check back in those volumes first, and if the same car appears
in those books, then a C&NW repaint would just go into a lower
priority pile... then it would be used only if needed to illustrate a
point, or because it was an exceptionally good photo, or if it were
a very common car in later years.

And keep in mind that some cars have been covered very well in
other places -- like C&NW billboard box cars by Jeff Koehler, for
example. (At one point he was talking about doing a multi-volume
C&NW book series.) So a dozen color photos of those cars might
be less important to a reader than other stuff.

Clear as mud?

Tim O'Connor

Let's take a poll. Well, it would probably be more accurate to
say, "I'd like some feedback."

I am working on the C&NW color guide for Morning Sun. I envision a
two-volume set with 250 to 350 images in each. Richard Hendrickson
recently, and correctly, observed that the color guides aren't of
much use to this group because the use of color slides wasn't
sufficiently widespread before 1960.


SFRD reefers sold to PRR

SUVCWORR@...
 

The PRR acquired at least one former SFRD reefer (not sure of the class) for
ice service at I believe it was Trenton. (A photo of this car has been
published in several books.) This reefer was used to store ice for passenger car air
conditioning. I am seeking answers to several questions about these cars.

How many did the PRR acquire?

When were they acquired?

To which passenger terminals were they assigned?

What was the SFRD class of this/these reefers?

TIA

Rich Orr


C&NW color guide for Morning Sun

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

Let's take a poll. Well, it would probably be more accurate to
say, "I'd like some feedback."

I am working on the C&NW color guide for Morning Sun. I envision a
two-volume set with 250 to 350 images in each. Richard Hendrickson
recently, and correctly, observed that the color guides aren't of
much use to this group because the use of color slides wasn't
sufficiently widespread before 1960.

While I have some material from the 1950s, I expect most of the
material to be from slides exposed in the 1970s and 1980s. The
object is to find those slides taken later than we would wish but
that show cars in their condition and paint as they must have been in
the 1950s or, dare we hope, even earlier.

Here's where I would like some feedback.
If you could only see one slide would you prefer an old faded car
with original paint or a fresh repaint?

Would you want an image of an older car in MOW service if no other
image of that car series was available?

How do you feel about cars from acquired roads painted in the parent
road's colors?

Do any of you model such cars?

I expect most modelers would be interested, to some extent or
another, in the freight cars of the C&NW but not the cabooses,
passenger equipment or maintenance-of-way equipment. If I packed all
the freight car material in one volume and all the rest in the other
would that increase your interest in purchasing the freight car
volume even though you don't model the C&NW directly?

Thank you for any comments you care to make. I suppose it would be
best if you contacted me directly at bierglaeser at yahoo dot com.

Gene Green
Out in the West Texas Town of El Paso


Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car

SamClarke
 

Hello Mark,

Glad to be of help. We have a nice close up slide of car #27471 from
Michael Bradley that shows the left side gusset.
The gussets look similar to some that are used on the later 50 foot
PS-1s. They are riveted, however, the top portion looks as though it is
under the side panel where no distinct seam appears but just a fold and
rivets. This is the way the drawings indicate on some of the 50 foot cars.
If you contact me directly off list I'll try and get some dimensions for
you.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:27 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car


Hello Sam and Ed,

Thanks for the information; this was exactly what I was looking
for! Do either of you know of any good pictures showing the door
gussets? I found a photo of RI 27560 on Fallen Flags, but it is
difficult to make out the shape of the gussets and whether they are
welded or riveted in place (although it does appear that the gusset
to the right of the door has rivets along the sloped edge).

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


--- In STMFC@..., <mail@k...> wrote:

In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of our
diagram
books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times so
some of the
road numbers are hard to read.

Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of the
door
openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot body
styles.

The doors are as Ed mentioned.

Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all others
have Apex.

Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco
27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing
28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax
29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon
Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels were
the generic
modern styles (each make has their own little differences but
generally look
similar) but the housings are not generic looking..

Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A
27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3
27750-27849, and others National C-1

The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainly
black and the
running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more than
likely
black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@s...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car



On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time
period.
I'm
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with
regard to
this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to
others.
Thanks.
Mark,
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built
circa
October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois
Railway
Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this
time
period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored
in an
express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to
gain
access.

The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars
came
with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-
panel
Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the
hand
brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are
dated
1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red
sides,
and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears
to be
Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The
roofs may
have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I
don't have
conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often
the
case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.

A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber
Stabilized
trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997
Railmodel
Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control
trucks.
I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was
published
January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still
applied
to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets,
which
give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated
entirely
with black car cement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins









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Re: NATX-4753 2 Compartment Tank Car - Steamtown

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

List,

Thank you to all of you who have responded to my query regarding this car. This car is a very good example as to how complex the identification of private owner tank cars can be due to the multitude of varying specifications for each owner for the type of commodity that needs to be transported.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car

Mark Heiden
 

Hello Sam and Ed,

Thanks for the information; this was exactly what I was looking
for! Do either of you know of any good pictures showing the door
gussets? I found a photo of RI 27560 on Fallen Flags, but it is
difficult to make out the shape of the gussets and whether they are
welded or riveted in place (although it does appear that the gusset
to the right of the door has rivets along the sloped edge).

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


--- In STMFC@..., <mail@k...> wrote:

In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of our
diagram
books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times so
some of the
road numbers are hard to read.

Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of the
door
openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot body
styles.

The doors are as Ed mentioned.

Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all others
have Apex.

Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco
27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing
28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax
29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon
Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels were
the generic
modern styles (each make has their own little differences but
generally look
similar) but the housings are not generic looking..

Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A
27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3
27750-27849, and others National C-1

The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainly
black and the
running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more than
likely
black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@s...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car



On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time
period.
I'm
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with
regard to
this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to
others.
Thanks.
Mark,
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built
circa
October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois
Railway
Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this
time
period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored
in an
express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to
gain
access.

The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars
came
with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-
panel
Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the
hand
brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are
dated
1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red
sides,
and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears
to be
Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The
roofs may
have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I
don't have
conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often
the
case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.

A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber
Stabilized
trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997
Railmodel
Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control
trucks.
I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was
published
January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still
applied
to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets,
which
give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated
entirely
with black car cement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



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Re: Tank Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Gatwood, Elden wrote:
The single safety valves on each dome are interesting, as are the
unexplained rivets on the tank. I suspect this tank was created for
some odd commodity that is not that volatile, like ink, special
lubricating oil, or something like that. Lessors sometimes dictated the
nature of equipment like heating coils, vents and valves, or insulation.
The transverse mounting of the reservoir is also interesting.
Buyers of tank cars did indeed choose many external features of cars, but safety valves were not among those; the rules called for one safety valve for up to 6000 gallons of many commodities (thus the need for two such valves on 12,500 gallon cars). Of course heating coils, insulation, and a variety of loading and unloading fixtures were specified by the buyer, but certain combinations thereof were required for certain commodities. There is an informative table on this topic in the back of Kaminski's book on AC&F tank cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car

Ed Hawkins
 

On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time period.
I'm
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with regard to
this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to others.
Thanks.
Mark,
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built circa
October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois Railway
Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this time
period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored in an
express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to gain
access.

The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars came
with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-panel
Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the hand
brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are dated
1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red sides,
and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears to be
Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The roofs may
have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I don't have
conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often the
case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.

A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber Stabilized
trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997 Railmodel
Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control trucks.
I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was published
January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still applied
to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets, which
give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated entirely
with black car cement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: New HO Dalman two-level trucks

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I really wish these trucks were available _without_ wheelsets. As I
will use either IM or Reboxx .088 the wheelsets come at added throwaway cost
to me. I would suggest that trucks _without_ wheelsets be sold in [say] 100
set (or more) packaging however. This make it easier (and less costly) for
you and we who want them that way can arrange to divide them ourselves.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
I would second Jon's wish in spades. It is increasingly evident to me that critical freight car modelers are choosing the semi-scale wheels as their standards.

It is very painful to purchase fine trucks (designed for and aimed at this customer-base), and then have to discard the fine *expensive* wide metal wheels that are included. I will be selling a pile of these discarded wheels this weekend, not for profit (Ha!), but just to get rid of them. I would urge that either inexpensive but serviceable plastic wheel sets be included instead, or that the truck frames be sold independently.

I would also second Dennis Storzek and urge that your truck bolster be made to the industry standard. Attempting to lower bolsters that are too high is a true pain.

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: placing rivets

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Jim Betz wrote:

Ted,
Wouldn't it make more sense to have some "rivet spacing templates"
with different spacings of the line of holes on them. And have them
created on a CNC machine. And you lay them over the car side and
put the small drill thru. This should be a piece of cake for any one
with a CNC mill to create because the programming is very simple.
I have a client who "owes me some favors" who has all of the
equipment to do this ... what I don't know is "how big you want the
template to be". What I'm talking about is the physical size of
the template itself in terms of width, lenght, and thickness. You
want these out of brass or some other material? (Yes, I'm saying
I might have more than just one done. (We've met and I live in
San Jose.)
Hello Jim:

The issue with a template for what I am thinking of is that the layout and spacing of rivets varies from prototype to prototype. Also, you then impart the dreaded hand drilling element which results in repetitive stress disorders and more broken drill bits. Also, I am looking at this for very specific applications as I am firmly on the stereolithography bandwagon.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: placing rivets

Jim Betz
 

Ted,
Wouldn't it make more sense to have some "rivet spacing templates"
with different spacings of the line of holes on them. And have them
created on a CNC machine. And you lay them over the car side and
put the small drill thru. This should be a piece of cake for any one
with a CNC mill to create because the programming is very simple.
I have a client who "owes me some favors" who has all of the
equipment to do this ... what I don't know is "how big you want the
template to be". What I'm talking about is the physical size of
the template itself in terms of width, lenght, and thickness. You
want these out of brass or some other material? (Yes, I'm saying
I might have more than just one done. (We've met and I live in
San Jose.)


Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car

SamClarke
 

In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of our diagram
books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times so some of the
road numbers are hard to read.

Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of the door
openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot body styles.

The doors are as Ed mentioned.

Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all others have Apex.

Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco
27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing
28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax
29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon
Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels were the generic
modern styles (each make has their own little differences but generally look
similar) but the housings are not generic looking..

Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A
27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3
27750-27849, and others National C-1

The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainly black and the
running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more than likely
black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car



On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time period.
I'm
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with regard to
this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to others.
Thanks.
Mark,
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built circa
October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois Railway
Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this time
period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored in an
express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to gain
access.

The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars came
with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-panel
Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the hand
brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are dated
1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red sides,
and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears to be
Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The roofs may
have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I don't have
conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often the
case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.

A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber Stabilized
trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997 Railmodel
Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control trucks.
I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was published
January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still applied
to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets, which
give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated entirely
with black car cement.
Regards,
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SP Tank Car Dome Measurements

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

After yesterday's thread on the DA tank car dome and its uses,
I went home and dug out the partial diagrams I have for three
classes of Southern Pacific tank cars, one of which (O-50-13)
can be modeled using the Athearn 42' tank car kit. The results
are interesting; in the three classes are two different width
(or diameter) domes, with two classes having the same gallonage.

Class Drawing Date Gal. Dome Hgt Dome Dia.(int)
------- ------------ ------ --------- --------------
O-50-12 11-9-28 12,500 24" 54"

O-50-13 6-26-43 12,500 22" 61 1/2"

O-50-14 7-31-43 8,000 19" 54"

Note that the height measurements are taken from the top of the
tank to the top of the rivet band around the dome, NOT the very
top of the dome itself.

Also, the drawings confirm what has been mentioned here before,
namely that the dome platform on all three classes is on one side
only, the left side as you look at the B-end of the car.

Shawn Beckert


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Re: Placing rivets

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

This is the address to see a fantastic rivet embossing machine.
http://www.galtran.com/PRR_L2_Construction_Information/Rivet%20Machine/computer_controlled_rivet_emboss.htm
Marcelo Lordeiro

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Placing rivets


--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@s...> wrote:

I would bet that the best tool for the brass rivets on posts that you
and Dennis have referred to would be a good milling machine with an
Albrecht keyless chuck for the very small drills. A digital readout
would make this almost obscenely easy except for the cost of the
rivets. I am going to inquire about a large scale purchase as these
things are perfect for some applications.

Regards,
Ted Culotta
Her's a source for the drill:

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1686302&PMT4NO=2590521

I also might note that Creative Model Associates (Tichy) has .008
diameter phosphor bronze wire, Walthers number 363-1100. The cut end
of spring wire can make a decent drill for resin and plastic, and is
less likely to break with hand use. I'd rather have steel, but this
phosphor bronze may hard enough to do the trick, and a lot cheaper
than the above drills.

Dennis Storzek








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