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Private owner tank cars

Jack Priller <Gndlfstram@...>
 

I just bought a pair of Tichy 10,000 gallon tank car kits [USRA-ARA
class III] Mentioned of the instruction sheet is fact that while the
earlier cars were built with Andrews trucks, later ones had
Bettendorfs, which are supplied with the kit. As I have a few pairs
on the Andrews trucks in supply box, I would like to know which ones
would most likely be on a privately owned tank car around 1930. Or
were there some of each in that time frame? TIA

Jack Priller
"What we really are matters more than what other's
think of us." - Jawaharlal Nehru, Indian statesman (1889-1964).


Re: Fw: [L&N] WofA/A&WP Boxcar info

Richard Hendrickson
 

Warren, thanks for forwarding this - good information! I'm not heavily
into southeastern RRsd (since I model the Santa Fe in Southern California)
but I'll probably model at least one of these cars, so I appreciate having
good data on the paint and lettering.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Hart Selective Service ballast cars

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Dave Nelson writes:

As for the late steam era, the WP acquired another series of ballast cars
in
the 50's (too late for my interests) -- also rather short. I believe one
of
these cars is at the museum in Portola, CA. where, like everything else
there, one can crawl under, over, and into this car to your heart's
content.
Perhaps so...but one could easily die of hunger while traveling
there...given that the owners of that neat restaurant near Quincy have
chosen to camouflage their building to either the appearance of a service
station, post office or small zoo.

Mike Brock


Hart Selective Service ballast cars

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
The Western Pacific also had several groups of these, or similar cars. I
have long wanted several, and would be glad to help you or a
manufacturer with photos or other information. I could also use some SPs
as well.
The earliest WP cars having ballast drop doors were in the 10301-10600
series of cars and were shorties - a meer 30' 2" IL. Has luck has it these
cars are virtually identical to a SP series of cars (no doubt both were
acquired about the same time) in the 13088-13599 series (MWB-50-5?) so for
modeling purposes any photographic or dimensional evidence of one is
probably good for the other.

The WP called these 'coal cars' but I have no doubt they spent much, if not
all, of their existance hauling broken rock out of Oroville and/or smooth
gravel & sand out of the San Ramon valley, which, for the WP, were
significant sources of carloadings.

Some years ago I took a saw to the 40' MDC ballast hopper and sliced out 10'
and lowered the sides a few inches. The drop doors are wrong, the rivits
are grapefruit, and the slope sheet is too shallow (noticible by the too
great of a height of the end interior wall), but the length and height of
the finished model were very close to right and the side panel count was
right, so it's in the ballpark. For building a fleet of good-enuf cars, it
might serve (especially as the task was not that difficult), but it would
not stand up to the closer inspection one expects from this crowd.

As for the late steam era, the WP acquired another series of ballast cars in
the 50's (too late for my interests) -- also rather short. I believe one of
these cars is at the museum in Portola, CA. where, like everything else
there, one can crawl under, over, and into this car to your heart's content.

Dave Nelson


Marklin UP freight cars??

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

According to dunver@iname.com, Marklin will be producing some HO scale UP
freight cars. Does anyone have more info?

[QUOTE]

"The boxcars will be
released in ten numbers sporting 1940's-50's UP paint schemes, the
hoppers are an unusual outside braced design which is claimed to be a
UP prototype, and the CA3/CA4 caboose will be postwar yellow with a
3000-series number. Count on big bucks, but the models look very
good. More later."

[END QUOTE]

Regards,

-Jeff

--
Jeff Aley, Development Engineer jaley@pcocd2.intel.com
Graphics Components Division
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


Fw: [L&N] WofA/A&WP Boxcar info

ibs4421@...
 

Steam-Era Gize,
I didn't know if any of ya'll could make use of
this info. I think Andrew made a typo in that he meant a note on 5685 only
instead of 5686. If any of you are interested in these cars, enjoy!

Warren



Warren,

I have a paint/lettering diagram (1941) of these WofA/A&WP boxcars. It's
interesting to note that both aluminum and mineral red were in use from the
beginning. Here are the specifics:

Series # of boxcars Road Lot
17300-17359 60 WofA 5685
37300-37339 40 A&WP 5685
17400-17464 65 WofA 5717
37400-37459 60 A&WP 5717
19800-19899 100 GARR 5717

Note for Lot 5686 only:
"All letters & numerals to be 'Roman' except monogram. Letters & numbering
on sides to be black, and on ends to be white." [Ends and roof black; sides
aluminum]

Note for Lot 5717 only:
"All letters & numerals to be 'Roman' except monogram. Letters & numbers to
be white." [Entire car mineral red]

Andrew Waldo


Re: Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meets

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Sorry, it is March 4th. Was a typo on my part.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meets

Gail & Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Just in case anyone didn't get the mailer yet the meets are scheduled for;

Pleasanton, CA, Sunday March 11th, 10-6, $25 with free mini-kit
Monrovia, CA, Sunday March 14th, 10-6, $30 with free mini-kit (table
$30)


I really suspect the Monrovia meet is Sunday, March 4th, since it's the week
before Pleasanton.

Tom M.


Re: Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meets

Jay Styron <styronz@...>
 

March 14 is a Wednesday. When is this event really being held?
-Jay

Pleasanton, CA, Sunday March 11th, 10-6, $25 with free mini-kit
Monrovia, CA, Sunday March 14th, 10-6, $30 with free mini-kit


Re: Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meets

Gail & Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
So what is the mini-kit, and who's going to pick one up for me? ;o)
After Jon Miller had posted:
Pleasanton, CA, Sunday March 11th, 10-6, $25 with free mini-kit
Monrovia, CA, Sunday March 14th, 10-6, $30 with free mini-kit (table
$30)


Must be a 10-6, right???

Oh, this isn't the PCL?

Tom M.

"Ah say, that's a joke, son!"
Senator Claghorn, for those old enough to remember.
Foghorn Leghorn, for those who aren't.


Re: Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meets

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Send for registration to;

Sunshine Models
Box 4997
Springfield, MO 65808-4997

Tim,
It said on the sheet, "a free Sunshine Mini-Kit exclusively for
attendees".


Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meets

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

So what is the mini-kit, and who's going to pick one up for me? ;o)

At 04:28 PM 1/25/01 -0800, you wrote:
Just in case anyone didn't get the mailer yet the meets are scheduled for;

Pleasanton, CA, Sunday March 11th, 10-6, $25 with free mini-kit
Monrovia, CA, Sunday March 14th, 10-6, $30 with free mini-kit (table $30)
Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meets

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Just in case anyone didn't get the mailer yet the meets are scheduled for;

Pleasanton, CA, Sunday March 11th, 10-6, $25 with free mini-kit
Hey, I could do this one.... who gets the dough?

Dave Nelson


Re: Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meets

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Just in case anyone didn't get the mailer yet the meets are scheduled for;

Pleasanton, CA, Sunday March 11th, 10-6, $25 with free mini-kit
Monrovia, CA, Sunday March 14th, 10-6, $30 with free mini-kit (table $30)

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Coal Dispersal

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Ed,

By the time (1950) of the statistics in question, Bethlehem Steel was no
longer using coal at their Downey plant, which I assume is the one you
mean. I don't have my materials at hand, but IIRC the furnaces were
converted to gas and electric during WWII.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Ed Workman wrote:


... to Kaiser and Bethlehem in So Cal would have interchanged at Provo ....


Re: Coal Dispersal

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson [mailto:rhendrickson@opendoor.com]
For example, in 1950, tons of coal received from other roads:

D&RGW: 2200k tons
UP: 3300k tons
Much of the coal received by the D&RGW from UCR was handed off to the UP
for shipment to Kaiser's Fontana steel mill, so that doubtless
accounts for a sizeable part of the UP's tonnage.

Actually it's a bit more complex.... The Utah moved 1300k tons that year,
much of which was given to the D&RGW for delivery to the smelters north of
Provo (one of which owned the Utah) or off to the home heating suppliers in
Salt Lake City. Coal for the Fontana works came from the Kaiser owned
Sunnyside mine in Carbon county, which was originated by the Grande and
passed on the to UP. And of course mines served by the Utah did ship down
the LA&SL, but the UP received it directly from them at Provo -- and in
later years I understand this was considerable. What I don't know offhand
is whether, in 1950, the Carbon County was classified by the ICC as a
terminal service or class III road -- the difference being how the Grande
would report that tonnage: as originated tonnage if the CBC was a terminal
service or inbound if it was still a class III carrier. Either way, that
coal only got as far as the Geneva works.

All of which is to say it's unlikely we'll every get this *fully*
understood, but that it is clear there was a heck of a lot of coal tonnage
being moved as inbound or bridge and it stands to reason one should have
some doubt about that tonnage being moved exclusively in (recipent) home
road marked cars.

I wish I add the rest of the 1950 commodity data -- I'd like to see how much
inbound or bridge tonnage occurred on the southern roads....

Dave Nelson


Re: Coal Dispersal

Ed Workman <eworkman@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Brock <brockm@brevard.net>
To: STMFC@egroups.com <STMFC@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Coal Dispersal


UtahCoal Route,
to Kaiser and Bethlehem in So Cal would have interchanged at Provo from Utah
RY
US Steel owned mines off the DRGW to serve Geneva, connected by USS owned
Carbon County Ry


Re: Coal Dispersal

Richard Hendrickson
 

Mike Brock writes, in response to Dave Nelson:

For example, in 1950, tons of coal received from other roads:

D&RGW: 2200k tons
UP: 3300k tons
These two are rather interesting. Perhaps D&RGW figures are due to the Utah
Coal Route, but UP's is intriguing.
Much of the coal received by the D&RGW from UCR was handed off to the UP
for shipment to Kaiser's Fontana steel mill, so that doubtless accounts for
a sizeable part of the UP's tonnage.

And the large tonnage received by the N&W is a curiosity....
I'll dig that out in time.
Is that a pun? if not, how large a shovel do you have? That's a lot of
coal, even in 1/87 scale.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Photo Documentation (was War Emergency Hoppers)

Ted Culotta <ted@...>
 

Try http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsaquery.html

You can then choose either color or b&w or both. Then enter search words
like box car or yards, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Aley - GCD PE [mailto:jaley@pcocd2.intel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:52 PM
To: STMFC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Photo Documentation (was War Emergency Hoppers)


On Jan 24, 8:45pm, Ben Hom wrote:
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Photo Documentation (was War Emergency Hoppers)
I like to think of this as the "Christine Syndrome" - a hundred years
from now, researchers of the Rock Island will conclude that the RI
commuter power pool consisted of Christines and E6s based on the
number of photos in existence!
FYI: "Christine" was RI DL-109 #621. It was re-engined by EMD, so took on
a unique appearance. That's why everyone photographed it. "Christine"
refers to a famous person of the '50's who underwent a sex-change
operation.


My personal favorites are
Jack Delano's color photos for the Office of War Information during
WWII - whole yard photos in color documenting the variety of
equipment at that time and (more importantly for those who DON'T
model the 1940s) are a great reference for accurately weathering
steam-era equipment.
I was unable to find these at the Library of Congress website. (I did find
a bunch of Mr. Delano's photos, however). What search URL is best to use?

Thanks,

-Jeff

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Re: Coal Dispersal

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Dave Nelson writes:

For example, in 1950, tons of coal received from other roads:

D&RGW: 2200k tons
UP: 3300k tons
These two are rather interesting. Perhaps D&RGW figures are due to the Utah
Coal Route, but UP's is intriguing.

SP: 300k tons
MP: 1100k tons
NKP: 10900k tons (suggests why the NKP was bought by the NW, doesn't it?)
NW: 4900k tons
CBQ: 2400k tons
I certainly can understand the Q, given the diversity in Southern Illinois.

Yeah, mostly GS gons, not hoppers, but the point here is about coal
routings
and most of the data I have is western, but it does address the point.
Anyway, coal carloads averaged a bit more than 50 tons/car if one wants to
calculate carloadings. By this measure, the puny tonnage on the SP still
amounted to ~6000 cars in the year.

And the large tonnage received by the N&W is a curiosity....
I'll dig that out in time.

Mike Brock

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