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Re: PS -1 Box cars in 1950

Ed Hawkins
 

On Tuesday, November 15, 2005, at 04:22 AM, matthewjstrickland wrote:

Do you know when the Western Railway of Alabama received their first
PS-1 box cars?
Matthew,
110 cars received 3-52, 18100-18209.
Ed Hawkins


Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Loading a reefer with mail was not unusual. Loading it in LA was.
That's fruit and vegetable country and reefers had better uses. I have
been told it was very common for reefers on the east coast to be sent
back to CA with all sorts of other loads, including mail. It beat
sending them back empty.

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:58 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Andy Sperandeo wrote:
Shawn Beckert refered a photo showing non-express boxcars being
loaded
with Christmas mail at Los Angeles in 1945.
Lest this be thought a WW II phenomenon, there is a photo of a
PFE reefer being loaded with mail at LA in the 2nd edition of the PFE
book, page 424. It's a Morris Abowitz photo from the 1960s.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
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Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

I remember working in to PO during Christmas break when I was home
from college. There were many unsealed Xmas cards and they frequently
jammed in the canceling machine. The machine had counter rotating
rubber wheels to peel of one envelope at a time from the stack. The
unsealed envelopes would often be shredded by the process.

Did you ever wonder why so many friends claimed you never sent a card?

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
Anyone else remember when you used to be able to
send Christmas cards for a lower rate if the envelope wasn't sealed?


Dennis Storzek


Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Sperandeo wrote:
Shawn Beckert refered a photo showing non-express boxcars being loaded with Christmas mail at Los Angeles in 1945.
Lest this be thought a WW II phenomenon, there is a photo of a PFE reefer being loaded with mail at LA in the 2nd edition of the PFE book, page 424. It's a Morris Abowitz photo from the 1960s.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Sperandeo" <asperandeo@m...> wrote:

Shawn Beckert refered a photo showing non-express boxcars being loaded
with Christmas mail at Los Angeles in 1945.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057025.jpg
Here -
http://users.snowcrest.net/photobob/sfr34.jpg
- is the Santa Fe doing the same thing with freight reefers at San Bernardino in December 1948. Prints of this photo from the Jack Whitmeyer collection are available from the Santa Fe historical society at atsfrr.net.

So long,

Andy
There has been a parallel discussion over on the PassengerCarList about the use of baggage cars and express cars for carrying mail. One point that was made was that First Class Mail went in 3/4 size pouches with provisions for locks, locked if they contained any Registered Mail or Special Delivery; second class and lower, including Parcel Post went in draw string bags. I'm not seeing any pouches in either if these photos, so I assume that this is all second and lower class mail, they kind that used to take more than a few days to be delivered. Anyone else remember when you used to be able to send Christmas cards for a lower rate if the envelope wasn't sealed?


Dennis Storzek


Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

I'm not sure how "plain" the plain boxcars are. Note the baggage car in line. If I'm not mistaken, this is one of the UP boxcars fitted for express service. If you look past the ERIE car, the next car looks awfully like a new paint job too. Were ERIE cars also fitted for express?

In any case, I wonder even if these cars would have been in passenger trains per se. My guess is that there would be solid blocks to terminals and be on secondary trains at best - meaning speed restrictions wouldn't be an issue.


At 05:44 AM 11/15/2005, you wrote:
I wonder if passenger trains handling these cars on the rear got a
speed restriction.

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@e...> wrote:

I can smell the paint on the UP cars... at least I can see the
guide lines for the lettering!

Scott Pitzer


-----Original Message-----
From: "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...>
Sent: Nov 14, 2005 3:24 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

List,

One of the latest images posted on the Los Angeles Public
Library web site shows ordinary boxcars being loaded with
Christmas mail on the Union Pacific in Los Angeles, headed
for the east coast. The picture is dated December 4, 1945:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057025.jpg

Obviously you couldn't get away with this on your layout in
everyday operations, but you could certainly do it during
the holidays, without getting nabbed by the Proto-Police...

Shawn Beckert









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Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Shawn Beckert refered a photo showing non-express boxcars being loaded with Christmas mail at Los Angeles in 1945. Here - http://users.snowcrest.net/photobob/sfr34.jpg - is the Santa Fe doing the same thing with freight reefers at San Bernardino in December 1948. Prints of this photo from the Jack Whitmeyer collection are available from the Santa Fe historical society at atsfrr.net.

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
Phone: 262-796-8776, ex. 461
Fax: 262-796-1142
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Re: DT&I leased X29 boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben

UP Historical Society "Streamliner", Volume 13, #2 p.14 there
is a photo showing the end and roof of DT&I #18147

Tim O'Connor

Unfortunately, no - and I've looked at a ton of X29 photos since
starting work on the TKM X29 series. If one turns up, I'd sure like
to know!

Ben Hom


Re: Corn (was:Napierville Aftermath)

skibbs4 <mmrace4@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Gerard J Fitzgerald <gjf@m...> wrote:

The sighting of diesel era models, many of which won prizes, was
to me the most
inriguing apsect of the meeting. I know this website deals with a
specific time
period but I suppose the meeting is about "prototype modeling"
which is a bit
larger chronological category. I am still thinking about the corn
modeled on
the N-scale module that took a prize. Great stuff and not I think
(?) the brass
corn you can purchase from Bernie K.

Gerry

Dr. Gerard J. Fitzgerald
Department of Histpry and Sociology of Science
University of Pennsylvania
Gerry-

The corn was cut from a natural straw broom and, as you suspected,
was not the etched variety. Here's the broom:
http://cgwrr.com/images/broom.jpg

I don't think Dave Hussey got a shot of it for his Naperville pbase
album, so here's an in progress shot:
http://cgwrr.com/images/Corn1.jpg

The material should work just as well in HO scale, if not better.

Mike Skibbe


Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

ljack70117@...
 

On Nov 15, 2005, at 6:44 AM, Bill McCoy wrote:

I wonder if passenger trains handling these cars on the rear got a
speed restriction.

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@e...> wrote:
Passenger trains operated with 110 pounds air pressure on the train line. That would have to be changed to 90 pounds for mixed train pressure. That would mean changing each car's air control valve. I do not remember the speed limit on mixed trains. At least that is the way the UPRR handled it in the 40's and 50's.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@adelphia.net
Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark.


PS -1 Box cars in 1950

matt
 

Hi there,

thanks for the replies re the above

Do you know when the Western Railway of Alabama received their first
PS-1 box cars?

thanks again

MATT


Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Bill McCoy <bugsy451@...>
 

I wonder if passenger trains handling these cars on the rear got a
speed restriction.

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@e...> wrote:

I can smell the paint on the UP cars... at least I can see the
guide lines for the lettering!

Scott Pitzer


-----Original Message-----
From: "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...>
Sent: Nov 14, 2005 3:24 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

List,

One of the latest images posted on the Los Angeles Public
Library web site shows ordinary boxcars being loaded with
Christmas mail on the Union Pacific in Los Angeles, headed
for the east coast. The picture is dated December 4, 1945:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057025.jpg

Obviously you couldn't get away with this on your layout in
everyday operations, but you could certainly do it during
the holidays, without getting nabbed by the Proto-Police...

Shawn Beckert









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A couple more LAPL

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

View of the Southern Pacific railroad yard located off North
Broadway, in Los Angeles. Downtown is seen in the background
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics25/00032338.jpg

Dock scene, Los Angeles Harbor showing S. P. Tracks, 1925.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033292.jpg

Panoramic view of early Van Nuys, showing the construction of Van
Nuys Boulevard and of the railroad station, next to the existing
railroad tracks.
http://catalog1.lapl.org/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?fullRecord+7783+968+29450+385+2




Bob Webber


More from LAPL

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

A view from the air of a row of buildings in the middle of which is
the Taylor Milling Co. In the lower left half of the picture are seen
tracks and railroad cars. On the right hand side in the row of
buildings is another industry building marked "Standard Frame MFG Co."
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048444.jpg

Description The livestock railroad loading dock at L.A. Union
Stockyards at 4500 Downey Road in Vernon on December 1, 1937.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics30/00049745.jpg

Exterior view of a portion of the Sperry Flour Co. located in the Los
Angeles central manufacturing district of Vernon. Two railroad cars
are parked in front. Picture taken 7/1/32.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048442.jpg

Exterior view of Sperry Flour Company. Two railroad cars are parked
in front of the building. Note the tall bins labelled: Drifted Snow;
La Pina; Wheat Hearts; Surelay and Suremilk.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048039.jpg

Stranded by a labor strike, a freight train occupies the Southern
Pacific Railroad mainline in Taylor Yard on San Fernando Road on
Monday, February 5, 1951. 90% of SP's 400 available switchmen refused
to report in during the crippling nationwide strike. However, Santa
Fe and Union Pacific Railroads reported switching operations were
nearly normal despite the wage-hour dispute.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics26/00047617.jpg

Flagman S. M. Austria passes the word that the Southern Pacific
Railroad strike is on, and hundreds of freight cars come to a halt on
May 24, 1946.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics26/00047602.jpg

Description The Southern Pacific's Cornfield Yard is jammed on May
24, 1946, by a labor strike. Across the yard is the freight house on
Spring Street.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics26/00047589.jpg

Union Pacific Engine 4230 travels between parked cars at Wilmington Harbor.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics42/00040555.jpg

One man brings a barrel of liquor as two men roll the barrel on a
railroad car. The liquor barrels are stacked into the railroad car
and later transported.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics42/00040602.jpg

Exterior view of Holly Sugar Plant in Huntington Beach. Railroad cars
are parked outside of the plant.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics36/00037514.jpg


Bob Webber


Re: Tank car questions

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@a...> wrote:
Hey, quite a night in Athens last night, eh? <war eagle!>

Bruce,
Football and other college sports and professional sports could
disappear from the face of the earth and I wouldn't notice.

Thanks for your insights about WWII traffic patterns.

Jared


Re: Tank car questions

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@a...> wrote:
Hey, quite a night in Athens last night, eh? <war eagle!>

Bruce,
Football and other college sports and professional sports could
disappear from the face of the earth and I wouldn't notice.

Thanks for your insights about WWII traffic patterns.

Jared


Re: DT&I leased X29 boxcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bruce Luecke wrote:
"The DT&I apparently leased 177 X29 cars from the PRR from the
late 30's until the early 50's."

Not quite right on the numbers - DT&I 18000-18149, 150 plain boxcars,
and DT&I 20000-20199, 60 cars equipped for automobile axle loading.
The second group were later reclassified as general service boxcars
during WWII. See Richard Hendrickson's article in the June 1998 issue
of Railmodel Journal for more information.


"Has anyone seen a photo of one of these cars?"

Unfortunately, no - and I've looked at a ton of X29 photos since
starting work on the TKM X29 series. If one turns up, I'd sure like
to know!


Ben Hom


Re: DT&I leased X29 boxcars

Gregg Mahlkov <mahlkov@...>
 

Bruce,

I've never seen a photo either, but Red Caboose, whe it first announced its N scale X29, listed DT&I as one of the roads to be offered. I've been waiting, and waiting, and waiting some more.

Wonder if Red Caboose ran into the same problem? You might ask them.

If someone made them in N scale I'd buy one. Or if decals were available I would buy a Fine-N-Scale X29 and paint and letter it myself.

I'd sure like to see a photo of one myself!

Gregg Mahlkov

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From: "pinecreekrr" <blformsa@tds.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] DT&I leased X29 boxcars


Hello all ; The DT&I apparently leased 177 X29 cars from the PRR from the
late 30's until the early 50's.

Has anyone seen a photo of one of these cars ? Fallen-flags web site and the
Yahoo DT&I group have turned up no photos.

AtlasO is making a great looking X29 with Middle Division and I'd like to be
able to offer a correct paint scheme.

Thanks, Bruce Luecke







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Re: Grimey IC Yard Cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Right Walt, I remember it well. I should. I wrote it!

SGL

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Behalf Of wmcclark1980
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:18 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Grimey IC Yard Cars

Schuyler,

In a message to this group a few years ago (I couldn't find
it, but why should this time be any different than all the
other times I've tried to search the archives?) someone
mentions a module that was brought to a show, done all in
shades of grey, just like our b & w photos of the time.
Apparently it took a while before anyone figured out what was
"wrong" with it.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941 (all b & w although my layout
will be in wonderful living color) Riverside, California

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

That's what I like: Feeeeeelthy pictures!

It's actually hard to see that the photograph IS in color!

There is a school of thought that says the reason color photography
was developed so late is that
the world was in B&W until about 1930 or so, and this shows that it
didn't burst forth in full color
for quite some time . . .

Great photo for another reason, too, which is that I'm weathering
some cars just now, and can see
that I've been much too shy about dirtying them up.

SGL

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[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Boucher
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:46 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Grimey IC Yard Cars

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34700/1a34787v.jpg





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Re: Some photos picked up this weekend

Scott Pitzer
 

In the reporting marks, the A has the heavy line on the right, and it looks more correct than the two A's in the slogan. On V or W the heavy line goes on the left. That's what I find on a Roman font on this computer too.

I think there's an ASRX car in an RP Cyc which has the X backwards.

Scott Pitzer
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-----Original Message-----
From: wmcclark1980 <walterclark@earthlink.net>
Sent: Nov 14, 2005 5:13 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Some photos picked up this weekend

Scott,

It looks to me that only the W is backwards. The heavy lines in all
the other letters (including both A's) are on the same side.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@e...> wrote:

Note on the DSS&A car, in "GATEWAY" the W and both A's are stenciled
backwards. I believe one of the Henderson books has one with a
similar problem.
Scott Pitzer
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Webber <no17@c...>
Sent: Oct 31, 2005 6:14 PM
To: "STMFC-yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Some photos picked up this weekend

Some photos I picked up - the GB&W is not of the era but close. The
others are - the B&O, even though taken in 1960 was built in
1926. These are similar to the photos found last January (taken in
or around the WP West Oakland yards).

http://rswebber.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=7764

Unfortunately, his camera had a light leak, the tank on the WofA
photo might have come up better.

Bob Webber






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