Tony,
Do you mean the BLACK painted "Overnight" B-50-24 box cars had passenger train running equipment the same as the SP Dark Olive painted BX-50-24 box cars for head-end express service had???
Charlie

Mike Brock wrote:

Not only that. The late Terry Metcalfe's UP Modeler, Vol 1, shows photos of
the consist of the UP Fast Mail in 1957 in Nebraska. Included is SP 5713 box
car fitted with steam lines in this case so one might not consider it to be
a "plain" box car.

The 50 cars numbered 5700-5749, along with the 450 "Overnight" box cars of Class B-50-24, were separately equipped with steam and signal lines, tight-lock couplers, and marker light brackets, painted SP Dark Olive with Dulux Gold lettering, and classed "BX" for head-end service. By 1957 many had received GSC outside-equalizer trucks. They were delivered with ASF A-3 trucks.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:

i know it's not Sherman Hill, but....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6573970362 <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6573970362>

Tim,

A VGN hopper could be in Omaha for the same reason that an N&W hopper could be seen on Sherman Hill. It was due to the demand for coal mined in southern West Virginia in Omaha and to the West.

Hoppers owned by the VGN and N&W as well as C&O and L&N had to be returned directly to their owners after being unloaded by fiat of the AAR's Car Service Bureau's Order C-411. Any other road loading a VGN, N&W, C&O or L&N hopper would be in violation of this order.

Tim Gilbert

Tim Gilbert

Mark, I can't comment on C&NW, but that NYC gon should definitely be
painted red with a black oval if shopped in 1955. That was the year
they returned to black ovals. IIRC, open-top cars continued to be
painted f.c. red until ca.1959 when the box cars began being painted
Century Green, the "Cigar Band" herald was introduced, and open-top
cars went back to being all black as they had been before the early
40s.

Jeff English
Troy, New York
home of the Meneely family, whose various family members established
numerous bell foundry firms in or around Troy that were world
renowned. Among many notable Meneely bells is the not-cracked
Liberty Bell replica of 1876, which is the one that still rings in
the bell tower of Independence Hall in Philadelphia.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@h...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm going to paint a couple of freight cars and I'd like some
suggestions as to what paints (preferably water-based) I should
use.

The first car is a Chicago & North Western 40ft PS-1, series 656-
1655, built 1954. Pictures of well weathered 1432 and 1602 can be
found at:

http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/thumbnails.php?album=6&page=2

These cars were delivered with black ends, roof and underframe, so
what's a good match for the side?

The second car is a New York Central gondola, series 712500-

713099,

Lot 791-G, as it would have appeared following shopping in 1955.

I

have no color photos of these cars for reference.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

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Ohio-reinvents vote stealing on massive scale
Texas-legislates representation away with federal
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What would most Californians prefer?
-Andy Carlson
relaxing by the pool in 90 degree weather

--- Garth Groff <ggg9y@virginia.edu> wrote:

Denny,

Sacramento has always been known for the volume of
heated rhetoric that
eminates from the state capital, no matter who's in
charge. I claim the
right to this opinion, since I lived in California
for 28 years.

I think we'd best drop this thread before Mike gets
cheesed off.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Denny Anspach wrote:

Garth Groff <ggg9y@virginia.edu>
Subject: Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Andy,

Californians used to ski, but that was before all

the hot air from

Sacramento raised the temperature. ;-)

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Is that ad hominem personal comment, Garth :-) ?

Denny

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Garth Groff notes:

I think we'd best drop this thread before Mike gets cheesed off.

Uh...yep. The warning light is on. <g>.

Mike Brock

Hello everyone,

I'm going to paint a couple of freight cars and I'd like some
suggestions as to what paints (preferably water-based) I should
use.

The first car is a Chicago & North Western 40ft PS-1, series 656-
1655, built 1954. Pictures of well weathered 1432 and 1602 can be
found at:

http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/thumbnails.php?album=6&page=2

These cars were delivered with black ends, roof and underframe, so
what's a good match for the side?

The second car is a New York Central gondola, series 712500-713099,
Lot 791-G, as it would have appeared following shopping in 1955. I
have no color photos of these cars for reference.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

i know it's not Sherman Hill, but....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6573970362

tim o.

Denny,

Sacramento has always been known for the volume of heated rhetoric that eminates from the state capital, no matter who's in charge. I claim the right to this opinion, since I lived in California for 28 years.

I think we'd best drop this thread before Mike gets cheesed off.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Denny Anspach wrote:

5700-5749 were Express boxcars, same class as the Overnights cars but different number series

"Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@disney.com> wrote: Mike Brock wrote:

The late Terry Metcalfe's UP Modeler, Vol 1, shows photos of
the consist of the UP Fast Mail in 1957 in Nebraska. Included
is SP 5713 box car fitted with steam lines in this case so one
might not consider it to be a "plain" box car.

I don't have a roster in front of me, but I think the 5700 series
were B-50-24's that were built for express and "Overnight" service.
Thus they would have had steam and signal hoses from the get go.

Shawn Beckert




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"Miller, Andrew S." <asmiller@mitre.org> wrote:
I remember working in to PO during Christmas break when I was home
from college. There were many unsealed Xmas cards and they frequently
jammed in the canceling machine. The machine had counter rotating
rubber wheels to peel of one envelope at a time from the stack. The
unsealed envelopes would often be shredded by the process.

Did you ever wonder why so many friends claimed you never sent a card?

regards,

Andy Miller

Shawn

BE-50-24's were express cars. B-50-24's were Overnight box cars. Some
BE-50-24's remained in that role into the late 1960's, long after the end
of Overnight service.

Tim O.

Garth Groff <ggg9y@virginia.edu>
Subject: Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Andy,

Californians used to ski, but that was before all the hot air from
Sacramento raised the temperature. ;-)

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Is that ad hominem personal comment, Garth :-) ?

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento

It did.

Bill Schneider

<snip> Anyone else remember when you used to be able to
send Christmas cards for a lower rate if the envelope wasn't sealed?


Dennis Storzek


Yes, and delivery three times a day the two weeks prior to Christmas.

Rich Orr

Scott,

Not all the hand signals were in books, There were many peculiar to railroads and specific localities. The one the Erie guys used in Lima, Ohio, to indicate "The cut is clear of Hoover St. and Ball Rd." might get one arrested if done on the street. Remember this from my Erie Western-Chicago & Indiana days.

Gregg Mahlkov

<snip> Anyone else remember when you used to be able to
send Christmas cards for a lower rate if the envelope wasn't sealed?


Dennis Storzek


Yes, and delivery three times a day the two weeks prior to Christmas.

Rich Orr

I can't say that I ever tried to learn the lantern and hand signals I've seen in books, but I'm sure I don't remember "The Strike Is On!" being one of them!
Scott Pitzer

Mike Brock wrote:

The late Terry Metcalfe's UP Modeler, Vol 1, shows photos of
the consist of the UP Fast Mail in 1957 in Nebraska. Included
is SP 5713 box car fitted with steam lines in this case so one
might not consider it to be a "plain" box car.

I don't have a roster in front of me, but I think the 5700 series
were B-50-24's that were built for express and "Overnight" service.
Thus they would have had steam and signal hoses from the get go.

Shawn Beckert

Tony Thompson writes:

Lest this be thought a WW II phenomenon, there is a photo of a
PFE reefer being loaded with mail at LA in the 2nd edition of the PFE
book, page 424. It's a Morris Abowitz photo from the 1960s.

Not only that. The late Terry Metcalfe's UP Modeler, Vol 1, shows photos of the consist of the UP Fast Mail in 1957 in Nebraska. Included is SP 5713 box car fitted with steam lines in this case so one might not consider it to be a "plain" box car.

Mike Brock