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Re: Virginian hopper in Omaha?

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

rockroll50401 wrote:

Sidney Wheeler photographed one in Stewartville MN (CGW branch in SE
Minnesota)The car was going to be loaded with iron ore then routed to
Granite City IL.
When Clark? There were certain years in which Order C-411 was rescinded only to be re-ordered. Still, the most likely reason that the VGN hopper got to Minnesota was that it had been loaded with southern WV Coal for a customer in Minnesota. That the terminating RR (CGW?) reloaded the hopper with iron ore could have been a violation of C-411 if it was in force when Wheeler took his photo.

Tim Gilbert


ADMIN: Loads. Was: Re: Re: Corn (was:Napierville Aftermath)

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Jerry Glow writes:


Why off list - inquiring minds want to know. I think corn can be
considered a potential load or product enough to qualify it as valid
subject matter for the list.
An interesting comment. This is good a time as any to note that loads in frt cars are within scope only to the extent of the association of the load to a frt car. IOW, the placement of a load in or on a frt car, its movement in frt cars, or some other aspect of a load with close association with a frt car, is in scope. Discussion about a load in general, without close association with a frt car is out of scope.

Thanks.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Charles Morrill <badlands@...>
 

Quite allright Tony. I have my own problems with writing ambiguous statements.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Thompson" <thompsonmarytony@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945


Do you mean the BLACK painted "Overnight" B-50-24 box cars had
passenger
train running equipment the same as the SP Dark Olive painted BX-50-24
box
cars for head-end express service had???
Sorry, Charlie, obviously I wrote too fast--the only cars of the
500 with psgr. equipment were the BX cars. The black overnight cars did
NOT have passenger equipment. My apologies for any confusion.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Grimey IC Yard Cars

Walter M. Clark
 

Schuyler,

Ever since you wrote that I've thought that when I lose the last few
vestiges of sanity I'm going to try to duplicate, in b & w, the scene
from Tony's Southern Pacific Freight Cars Volume 1: Gondolas and Stock
Cars on page 73. It's the ballast pit at Black Butte in 1912 and it
just begs to be done, in b & w.

Walter M. Clark

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

Right Walt, I remember it well. I should. I wrote it!

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of wmcclark1980
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Grimey IC Yard Cars

Schuyler,

In a message to this group a few years ago (I couldn't find
it, but why should this time be any different than all the
other times I've tried to search the archives?) someone
mentions a module that was brought to a show, done all in
shades of grey, just like our b & w photos of the time.
Apparently it took a while before anyone figured out what was
"wrong" with it.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941 (all b & w although my layout
will be in wonderful living color) Riverside, California

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

That's what I like: Feeeeeelthy pictures!

It's actually hard to see that the photograph IS in color!

There is a school of thought that says the reason color photography
was developed so late is that
the world was in B&W until about 1930 or so, and this shows that it
didn't burst forth in full color
for quite some time . . .

Great photo for another reason, too, which is that I'm weathering
some cars just now, and can see
that I've been much too shy about dirtying them up.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@...
[mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf
Of Fred Boucher
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:46 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Grimey IC Yard Cars

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34700/1a34787v.jpg





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Re: Some photos picked up this weekend

Walter M. Clark
 

Scott,

You're right. I only looked at the slogan and not the whole car.

Walter M. Clark

--- In STMFC@..., Scott Pitzer <scottp459@e...> wrote:

In the reporting marks, the A has the heavy line on the right, and
it looks more correct than the two A's in the slogan. On V or W the
heavy line goes on the left. That's what I find on a Roman font on
this computer too.

I think there's an ASRX car in an RP Cyc which has the X backwards.

Scott Pitzer
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-----Original Message-----
From: wmcclark1980 <walterclark@e...>
Sent: Nov 14, 2005 5:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Some photos picked up this weekend

Scott,

It looks to me that only the W is backwards. The heavy lines in all
the other letters (including both A's) are on the same side.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California

--- In STMFC@..., Scott Pitzer <scottp459@e...> wrote:

Note on the DSS&A car, in "GATEWAY" the W and both A's are stenciled
backwards. I believe one of the Henderson books has one with a
similar problem.
Scott Pitzer
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Webber <no17@c...>
Sent: Oct 31, 2005 6:14 PM
To: "STMFC-yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Some photos picked up this weekend

Some photos I picked up - the GB&W is not of the era but close. The
others are - the B&O, even though taken in 1960 was built in
1926. These are similar to the photos found last January (taken in
or around the WP West Oakland yards).

http://rswebber.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=7764

Unfortunately, his camera had a light leak, the tank on the WofA
photo might have come up better.

Bob Webber






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Re: Corn (was:Napierville Aftermath)

jerryglow2
 

Why off list - inquiring minds want to know. I think corn can be
considered a potential load or product enough to qualify it as valid
subject matter for the list.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@c...> wrote:

Mike,

Could you please reply to me off list to advise how you created the
corn?
Many thanks.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
jfbrewer@c...


Re: Virginian hopper in Omaha?

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Sidney Wheeler photographed one in Stewartville MN (CGW branch in SE
Minnesota)The car was going to be loaded with iron ore then routed to
Granite City IL.
Clark Propst


Re: Corn (was:Napierville Aftermath)

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Mike,

Could you please reply to me off list to advise how you created the corn? Many thanks.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
jfbrewer@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "skibbs4" <mmrace4@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:45 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Corn (was:Napierville Aftermath)


--- In STMFC@..., Gerard J Fitzgerald <gjf@m...> wrote:

The sighting of diesel era models, many of which won prizes, was
to me the most
inriguing apsect of the meeting. I know this website deals with a
specific time
period but I suppose the meeting is about "prototype modeling"
which is a bit
larger chronological category. I am still thinking about the corn
modeled on
the N-scale module that took a prize. Great stuff and not I think
(?) the brass
corn you can purchase from Bernie K.

Gerry

Dr. Gerard J. Fitzgerald
Department of Histpry and Sociology of Science
University of Pennsylvania
Gerry-

The corn was cut from a natural straw broom and, as you suspected,
was not the etched variety. Here's the broom:
http://cgwrr.com/images/broom.jpg

I don't think Dave Hussey got a shot of it for his Naperville pbase
album, so here's an in progress shot:
http://cgwrr.com/images/Corn1.jpg

The material should work just as well in HO scale, if not better.

Mike Skibbe








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Re: A couple more LAPL

Brian Termunde
 

Thanks Peter. It's hard to believe that the San Fernando Valley (where I
grew up) ever looked like that! <G>

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District


Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Tony Thompson
 

Do you mean the BLACK painted "Overnight" B-50-24 box cars had passenger
train running equipment the same as the SP Dark Olive painted BX-50-24 box
cars for head-end express service had???
Sorry, Charlie, obviously I wrote too fast--the only cars of the 500 with psgr. equipment were the BX cars. The black overnight cars did NOT have passenger equipment. My apologies for any confusion.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: A couple more LAPL

Brian Termunde
 

In a message dated 11/15/2005 1:16:25 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
no17@... writes:

Panoramic view of early Van Nuys, showing the construction of Van
Nuys Boulevard and of the railroad station, next to the existing
railroad tracks.
http://catalog1.lapl.org/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?fullRecord+7783+968+29450+385+2



---> The other photos are great! Thanks, but for some reason, I get the
above link to work. Any suggestions? TIA!

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District


Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Tim O'Connor
 

it does look like that's what tony wrote, but i don't think it's what he
meant. the overnight cars were not equipped for passenger service.

Tony,
Do you mean the BLACK painted "Overnight" B-50-24 box cars had passenger
train running equipment the same as the SP Dark Olive painted BX-50-24 box
cars for head-end express service had???


Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Charles Morrill <badlands@...>
 

Tony,
Do you mean the BLACK painted "Overnight" B-50-24 box cars had passenger train running equipment the same as the SP Dark Olive painted BX-50-24 box cars for head-end express service had???
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Thompson" <thompsonmarytony@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945


The 50 cars numbered 5700-5749, along with the 450 "Overnight"
box cars of Class B-50-24, were separately equipped with steam and
signal lines, tight-lock couplers, and marker light brackets, painted
SP Dark Olive with Dulux Gold lettering, and classed "BX" for head-end
service. By 1957 many had received GSC outside-equalizer trucks. They
were delivered with ASF A-3 trucks.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Tony Thompson
 

Mike Brock wrote:
Not only that. The late Terry Metcalfe's UP Modeler, Vol 1, shows photos of
the consist of the UP Fast Mail in 1957 in Nebraska. Included is SP 5713 box
car fitted with steam lines in this case so one might not consider it to be
a "plain" box car.
The 50 cars numbered 5700-5749, along with the 450 "Overnight" box cars of Class B-50-24, were separately equipped with steam and signal lines, tight-lock couplers, and marker light brackets, painted SP Dark Olive with Dulux Gold lettering, and classed "BX" for head-end service. By 1957 many had received GSC outside-equalizer trucks. They were delivered with ASF A-3 trucks.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Virginian hopper in Omaha?

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

timboconnor@... wrote:

i know it's not Sherman Hill, but....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6573970362 <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6573970362>
Tim,

A VGN hopper could be in Omaha for the same reason that an N&W hopper could be seen on Sherman Hill. It was due to the demand for coal mined in southern West Virginia in Omaha and to the West.

Hoppers owned by the VGN and N&W as well as C&O and L&N had to be returned directly to their owners after being unloaded by fiat of the AAR's Car Service Bureau's Order C-411. Any other road loading a VGN, N&W, C&O or L&N hopper would be in violation of this order.

Tim Gilbert

Tim Gilbert


Re: Paint suggestions for CNW boxcar and NYC gondola

Jeff English
 

Mark, I can't comment on C&NW, but that NYC gon should definitely be
painted red with a black oval if shopped in 1955. That was the year
they returned to black ovals. IIRC, open-top cars continued to be
painted f.c. red until ca.1959 when the box cars began being painted
Century Green, the "Cigar Band" herald was introduced, and open-top
cars went back to being all black as they had been before the early
40s.

Jeff English
Troy, New York
home of the Meneely family, whose various family members established
numerous bell foundry firms in or around Troy that were world
renowned. Among many notable Meneely bells is the not-cracked
Liberty Bell replica of 1876, which is the one that still rings in
the bell tower of Independence Hall in Philadelphia.

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@h...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm going to paint a couple of freight cars and I'd like some
suggestions as to what paints (preferably water-based) I should
use.

The first car is a Chicago & North Western 40ft PS-1, series 656-
1655, built 1954. Pictures of well weathered 1432 and 1602 can be
found at:

http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/thumbnails.php?album=6&page=2

These cars were delivered with black ends, roof and underframe, so
what's a good match for the side?

The second car is a New York Central gondola, series 712500-
713099,
Lot 791-G, as it would have appeared following shopping in 1955.
I
have no color photos of these cars for reference.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: Digest Number 2791

Andy Carlson
 

Kansas- scientific principal is re-written for
religious purposes
Florida- Steals voting rights from 100,000+ non-felons
Ohio-reinvents vote stealing on massive scale
Texas-legislates representation away with federal
dollars.
CA- has hot air politicians.....

What would most Californians prefer?
-Andy Carlson
relaxing by the pool in 90 degree weather

--- Garth Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:

Denny,

Sacramento has always been known for the volume of
heated rhetoric that
eminates from the state capital, no matter who's in
charge. I claim the
right to this opinion, since I lived in California
for 28 years.

I think we'd best drop this thread before Mike gets
cheesed off.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Denny Anspach wrote:

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
Subject: Re: Plain Boxcars in Mail Service - 1945

Andy,

Californians used to ski, but that was before all
the hot air from
Sacramento raised the temperature. ;-)

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Is that ad hominem personal comment, Garth :-) ?

Denny


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Re: Digest Number 2791

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Garth Groff notes:
I think we'd best drop this thread before Mike gets cheesed off.
Uh...yep. The warning light is on. <g>.

Mike Brock


Paint suggestions for CNW boxcar and NYC gondola

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm going to paint a couple of freight cars and I'd like some
suggestions as to what paints (preferably water-based) I should
use.

The first car is a Chicago & North Western 40ft PS-1, series 656-
1655, built 1954. Pictures of well weathered 1432 and 1602 can be
found at:

http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/thumbnails.php?album=6&page=2

These cars were delivered with black ends, roof and underframe, so
what's a good match for the side?

The second car is a New York Central gondola, series 712500-713099,
Lot 791-G, as it would have appeared following shopping in 1955. I
have no color photos of these cars for reference.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Virginian hopper in Omaha?

Tim O'Connor
 

i know it's not Sherman Hill, but....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6573970362

tim o.

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