My goodness, did I miss a meet in Napierville? Quebec?

I was at one in Naperville, Illinois (founded by Capt. Joseph Naper, as I recall).

Funny how folks confuse the two in so many postings...

Peter Weiglin
Amelia, Ohio

On Nov 17, 2005, at 12:12 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

From Ed Hawkins, June 2000:

=======================================================================
=====
While I do not have actual Erie painting & lettering diagrams, I can
provide
the following data that identifies specific schemes at specific
periods of
time when cars were delivered (as compiled from the ACF builder's
specs).

Jan. 1940, ACF Lot 1948, series 78500-78999, Small white diamond
Apr. 1941, ACF Lot 2153, series 65000-65099, Small white diamond
Feb. 1942, ACF Lot 2288, series 95000-95099, Small white diamond
Jul. 1946, ACF Lot 2862, series 82500-83199, Small Dulux Gold diamond
Aug. 1947, ACF Lot 3116, series 90000-90499, Large white diamond

There was another series, 82000-82499, built November 1945 but I could
not
locate the builder's specs containing the paint data for lot number
2779.
These cars were essentially the same as lot 2862 and had a small
diamond, but
I cannot confirm the color. Based on the builder's photo of car number
82121,
the monogram appears slightly darker to my eye than other lettering
and I
would speculate that it was also Dulux Gold. Maybe Bill Schneider or
others
have some additional data to add. Hope this helps.
=======================================================================
======

I have two color shots of 82000-82499 cars from the 1950's but both
may
have been repainted since they have large black & white emblems.

I have attached an excerpt from the erie chapter in the 1932 ARA book,
available from www.speedwitch.com (mandatory shameless commercial
plug). While hardly authoritative, it does give some dates from which
to work.

As delivered, the cars were decorated in the Erie scheme of the period.
The car sides were painted, Pittsburgh Brown, a brownish hue of freight
car red. The doors, ends, roof, underframe and background of the Erie
diamond were all black. All stenciling was in white stencil paste. In
1941, a new diamond was introduced that used longer type for ‘ERIE’
while the diamond and the type were still white. By 1942, new cars were
being painted with black ends, but the doors were the color of the car
body. In 1945, a new diamond had been introduced that used the longer
type for ‘ERIE’ as introduced in 1941, but the diamond and the type
were yellow, while the background circle remained black. In 1947, the
Erie greatly expanded the size of the diamond, but returned to the
usage of a white diamond and ‘ERIE’ with a black background circle.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

And Cliff Clavin's answer on Final Jeopardy, "What are things that are not in my kitchen?" was correct, too! At least I think that's what he said.

Ted Culotta

On Nov 16, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

I didn't say they ONLY bought 750 Ted... :-) NP bought 100, 200,
372, 921 War Emergency box cars -- all factual statements.

The NP bought 750 War Emergency box cars in
1944

I may be late to the party as I am catching up on email, but there were
1,000, not 750. 750 cam from Pullman-Standard and 250 from Pressed
Steel.

Ted Culotta

Yahoo! Groups Links

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

In HO the available PS doors have been quite crude,
especially in the over-exageration of the "hip roof"
panel imbossing. I have molds made from the old
KurtisKraft door in 6' 7' & 8' widths, which I find
still superior to any later incarnations. Maybe Dan
Hall might be interested in adding these doors to his
line of door toolings?

--- GCRDS@aol.com wrote:

Thanks Ben! I had this article in my library, but
had long forgotten it. I
really appreciate the info. It seems to confirm what
I had thought, that the
Atlas rendition of the door isn't at all close to
the prototype. I will either
need to scrap (IOW - sell off), or replace the doors
on these cars. Again,
appreciate the into!

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District




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From Ed Hawkins, June 2000:

============================================================================
While I do not have actual Erie painting & lettering diagrams, I can provide
the following data that identifies specific schemes at specific periods of
time when cars were delivered (as compiled from the ACF builder's specs).

Jan. 1940, ACF Lot 1948, series 78500-78999, Small white diamond
Apr. 1941, ACF Lot 2153, series 65000-65099, Small white diamond
Feb. 1942, ACF Lot 2288, series 95000-95099, Small white diamond
Jul. 1946, ACF Lot 2862, series 82500-83199, Small Dulux Gold diamond
Aug. 1947, ACF Lot 3116, series 90000-90499, Large white diamond

There was another series, 82000-82499, built November 1945 but I could not
locate the builder's specs containing the paint data for lot number 2779.
These cars were essentially the same as lot 2862 and had a small diamond, but
I cannot confirm the color. Based on the builder's photo of car number 82121,
the monogram appears slightly darker to my eye than other lettering and I
would speculate that it was also Dulux Gold. Maybe Bill Schneider or others
have some additional data to add. Hope this helps.
=============================================================================

I have two color shots of 82000-82499 cars from the 1950's but both may
have been repainted since they have large black & white emblems.

I didn't say they ONLY bought 750 Ted... :-) NP bought 100, 200,
372, 921 War Emergency box cars -- all factual statements.

Shawn Beckert wrote:
"One of the latest images posted on the Los Angeles Public Library
web site shows ordinary boxcars being loaded with Christmas mail on
the Union Pacific in Los Angeles, headed for the east coast. The
picture is dated December 4, 1945:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057025.jpg

Obviously you couldn't get away with this on your layout in everyday
operations, but you could certainly do it during the holidays,
without getting nabbed by the Proto-Police..."

Another example can be seen on page 46 of Tom Dill's _Southern
Pacific's Historic Overland Division Color Pictorial_ - a 13 car SP
eastbound express extra photographed at Roseville in December 1956
with 11 boxcars and two baggage cars (one at the head end and one
mid-train). None of the boxcars were specialized BX.


Ben Hom

Lee Gautreaux wrote:
"There are some really nice SLSF equipment including a converted 2
bay open hopper to covered hopper and what appears to be the
prototype of the Athearn 50' auto rack. I didn't know that these
ever existed."
http://thelibrary.springfield.missouri.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/
images/photos/p01751.jpg

Surprisingly, the Athearn model is close to an Evans product tested
on the New York Central c. 1954 (photos linked from the pay side of
the RPI website):
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Flats/Flats-Evans-loader-
1954.jpg
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Flats/Flats-Evans-loader-
NYC.jpg

Here's a model photo for comparison:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&;item=6014264110


Ben Hom

For you people that want a place for OT you can go to The Back Room <backroom@gp30.com>
You can talk about any thing including politics and religion.
This will make Mike happy and he will not put you in jail.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@adelphia.net
The 50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is 90% probability you'll get it wrong.

It's always the last weekend in October.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

Ed and others;

I'm helping Ted out and will be posting additions and changes to the Steam Era Freight Cars web site, so feel free to send things along. It may take a bit to get caught up, but bear with me and I'll get it done. As most of you know, Ted has his hands full right now with other things.

Best regards, Rob Adams

Ed Hawkins wrote:

--
Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net
Modeling Keokuk, IA operations and the CB&Q's K&W branch, circa 1938
http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com

Was a date announce for next falls Napierville meeting?

--
------
Allen P Rueter Phone: 314/935-6429 email allen :) artsci.wustl.edu
.oO* there are at least three sides to every issue.

Now I know what my 5th grade teacher went through trying to keep order in her classroom.

Less anyone believe that political statements...even in jest...are going to be tolerated on the STMFC, the penalty for such from now on will be not less than 60 days in moderate jail. As those who have been there know...the food's not that good...or punctual.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner

On Wednesday, November 16, 2005, at 04:44 PM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Brian, I strongly recommend you obtain a copy of Ed Hawkins' excellent
article in the March 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal, which contains
an extensive table detailing original owner 40 ft PS-1s, including
door size and types where known.

Ben and Brian,
This roster and in particular the door data has been extensively
updated since 1993. I sent the resulting roster to Ted to include it in
the STMFC web site, but it seems he's been busy with moving and
establishing his new business, and the file not been added as far as I
can tell. The file is Microsoft Excel - is there a way I can add it
myself?
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Jace Kahn wrote:
"I have finally gotten around to dealing with the USH panelside
triple hopper car (unfortunately I have only an old set of Walthers
decals but will live with them); can anyone point me toward a good
view of either the NYC or P&LE ones (a list member several months
ago having confirmed my suspicion that there were no others),
preferably in the black scheme (I really would prefer not to strip and
repaint)?"

Jace, see messages #44307 and 44335 in the group archives.


Ben Hom

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Brock" <brockm@b...> wrote:

Jerry Glow writes:

Why off list - inquiring minds want to know. I think corn can be
considered a potential load or product enough to qualify it as valid
subject matter for the list.

An interesting comment. This is good a time as any to note that

loads in frt

cars are within scope only to the extent of the association of the

load to a

frt car. IOW, the placement of a load in or on a frt car, its

movement in

frt cars, or some other aspect of a load with close association with

a frt

car, is in scope. Discussion about a load in general, without close
association with a frt car is out of scope.

Thanks.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner

That said, Mike, could he at least post the url for the instructions?

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941 (a little past harvest time but I'm
willing to fudge the date for that corn)
Riverside, California

On Nov 12, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

The NP bought 750 War Emergency box cars in
1944

I may be late to the party as I am catching up on email, but there were 1,000, not 750. 750 cam from Pullman-Standard and 250 from Pressed Steel.

Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

Richard White asked:
"Do any of you have an interior view of a coal hopper in colour to
help me with weathering some recently built models?"

These high angle photos of Class H21G hopper cars are from the 1970s,
but should give you a starting point. (These are the best I can do
for now.)

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?
photo=prr_183919_H21G_ed_martin.jpg&fr=
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?
photo=prr_187979_H21G_ed_martin.jpg&fr=


Ben Hom

Bud Rindfleisch wrote:
"I have a photo of a DL&W express boxcar (40', 10' IH, 6' door)
equipped with steam lines and the reason I bought the photo...sitting
on Allied Full Cushion trucks! Talk about a "plain" car...none of the
usual "Phoebe Snow" slogan, just DL&W reporting marks."

Bud, what's the car number? RPC Volume 6 has a builder's photo of
DL&W 10039 (DL&W 10000-10039), a 10 ft IH postwar AAR boxcar built by
Magor in 1950. This car has Symington-Gould (Chrysler) FR-5D high-
speed trucks, and also lacks the billboard "Phoebe Snow" slogan.


Ben Hom

I said:

Sidney Wheeler photographed one in Stewartville MN (CGW branch in SE
Minnesota)The car was going to be loaded with iron ore then routed to
Granite City IL.

Tim asked:
When Clark? There were certain years in which Order C-411 was rescinded
only to be re-ordered. Still, the most likely reason that the VGN hopper
got to Minnesota was that it had been loaded with southern WV Coal for a
customer in Minnesota.

Tim, the photo was taken 9-9-61 That's why I didn't mention it. Besides the VGN car Sid took snapshots of TP&W, T&NO, SP,Sou, RI, P&S, Milw, L&M, KCS, IC, EJ&E, FtDDM&S, DT&I, C&I, and C&IM. All at Stewartville for iron ore loading. (you should have bought the photo CD when I offered it) I won't speculate on how the CGW got a hold of these cars, but they were commandeered to ship ore. There are CGW train lists from the mid 60s with blocks of NYC and IC hoppers in ore service. I have M&StL records for the late 50s with B&O, NYC and Wab hopper cars hauling ore from SE MN. Of coarse, the entire CGW 3 bay hopper fleet was in this service also.
Clark Propst