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Re: Branchline lettering removal...

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Jack,

I have successfully removed BLT lettering by scraping followed by media
blasting to smooth things up. Their lettering is tougher than their
paint and media blasting alone removes the paint before all of the
lettering is gone. It does make a nice weathering effect, though.

I had tried removing part of the lettering from my car. Because the
process took the car paint also I had to try to repaint these areas. I
could not get a satisfactory paint match and ended up removing the
remainder of the lettering (and paint). I then had to repaint the car.
Makes an undec sound like a pretty good deal.

I've found (accidently) that lacquer thinner will cut the lettering on
about the second pass with a brush loaded with it, but it also gets the
paint. Nice bleeding lettering effect, though.

Hope this is of some help. Mont Switzer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jack Burgess
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:14 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars
Subject: [STMFC] Branchline lettering removal...

Does anyone have a good method to remove factory lettering on Branchline
cars? (I need to removal the letterboard lettering from their Pullmans
but
would assume that any solution for freight cars would also work on the
Pullmans.)

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com





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Santa Fe Reefer Images

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Below are some images of Santa Fe reefers from the `net which I also
posted on my Citrus Industry Modeling Group site. To view them be
sure to paste the ENTIRE web address into your browser.

All images are copyrighted so please treat them accordingly.

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/

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http://www.sdrm.org/roster/freight/ref21335/r21335-1.jpg

http://freight.railfan.ca/atsf/sfrd11286.jpg

http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/sf16811.jpg

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=195573

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=195572

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http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=203807

(Detail shots of this same reefer)

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=203809

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=204275

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=204269

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=204271


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http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=90282

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=134767

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=101614

http://www.geocities.com/oldlahistory/sfrd33055.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/oldlahistory/sfrd4206.jpg

This last image is of a couple of St. Luis Central reefers stored on
the Milwaukee. According to Richard Hendrickson these were former
Santa Fe/Railway Express Agency express reefers, series REX 4050-
4099, built at the Santa Fe's Topeka shops in 1953. REA returned
them to the Santa Fe when the mail contracts were lost in 1969 and
they were repainted as SFRD refrigerator cars. However, they lasted
only briefly in this role, as the Santa Fe had little use for ice
bunker reefers by that time, and several of them were sold to the
San Luis Central.

http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Propst's-photos/slc425-
7904-mcity,ia-sdm.jpg


Re: New Ahearn gon

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Richard wrote:

By the way, I'm puzzled by Schuyler's statement that the
paint and lettering on the E-L model aren't correct, as they
are based on a prototype photo in my collection and are
accurate right down to the Greenville builder's bug.
Oh, I didn't mean anything was wrong with the P/L. That was advised by one of the foremost experts
on EL lettering there is, and yes, it's bang-on right. But the car itself doesn't perfectly match
up with the prototype. The number of panels in the tapered section, and in the middle section
between the tapers, is not the same as the prototype, or at least the EL car which comes closest.
IIRC, the link I sent included a link to a George Elwood Fallen Flags site photo of that prototype.
All that said, it DOES match up VERY well, particulary compared to the next best thing. (there
isn't one.)

My only disappointment is that the lettering is EL, not ERIE, and therefore not yet in existence per
the rules of this list . . .

SGL


ADMIN: Fun's Over...back to frt cars

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

OK...guys...funs over. No more comparisons between various tornados, hurricanes, forest fires, swamps, blizzards [ whatever they are ], earthquakes, floods or whatever. If you need such, I'll be glad to form such a group. Also...comparisons of places in the US...Florida, Cal, Mass, Mich, or even Mecca [ Cheyenne ] is also out of scope. Back to frt cars please. Please heed the warning. I might note that the jailhouse food still aint too good.

Thanks.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Old Athearn Gon

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Gene,
I recently contributed to a similar project spearheaded by Al Hoffman of the Burlington Route Historical Society. On The BRHS's website is a guide which shows the model and lists the car's class. Al also has posted his criteria for qualifying the models and thier makeup is plastic or resin, no brass.

This began as a tabletop display at one of our spring Mini-meets and featured models built or partialy built by members of the society. Jim Miller, Al Hoffman, Tony Doyce (late) and myself were some of the contributors. More models were photographed by Matt Kosic at the Napervile RPM 2005 meet that are soon to be added. It was quite a revelation to see how many models have been produced that are accurate for the CB&Q. Incedentaly these were mostly freight, a few waycars and the converted Pullman Kitchen car /express baggage.

I invite you and all the members of the STMFC group to visit the site and build models of my favorite road.

Sincerly,
Rob Manley
Midwest Mod-U-Trak
"Ah, Sal, if you could sit with me high in the Basque contry with a cool bottle of PoignonDix-neuf, then you'd know there are other things besides boxcars."
"I know that. It's just that I love boxcars and I love to read the names on them like Missouri Pacific, Great Northern, Rock Island Line"
On the Road----Jack Kerouac

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Green
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Old Athearn Gon


Could we pursue the topic of "accurate" models a bit farther?

I have been asked to create a list of accurate freight car models for
the Chicago & North Western in conjunction with the Morning Sun color
guide on which I am currently working.

I have been working on a set of criteria to use when judging the
accuracy of a model - C&NW or otherwise. I recognize that any such
criteria is subjective to some extent or another.

Most members of this discussion group would not, I presume, be
interested in a discussion of what criteria should be used and how it
might be applied although some might. Therefore I have created a
temporary Yahoo group named Accurate Model Criteria where those few
of us with such an interest may discuss this topic.

The group can be found at:
Group name: Accuratemodelcriteria
Group home page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Accuratemodelcriteria
Group email: Accuratemodelcriteria@yahoogroups.com

Gene Green
Out in the west Texas town of El Paso





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Re: Florida and Bugs

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

Which just goes to show what people know about one of the real pleasures about Florida - No See Ums. For good reason.

And isn't it odd that there are always apologists for there? If it were truly a desirable place, the plan would be to run it down and complain about it. By trying to extol the virtues, you all sound like a bunch of swamp sales people. And people who have never been in an earthquake should not pretend to know what one is like - or the differences between a Hurricane and an Earthquake. Provided you follow all of the building codes, an earthquake is not that bad to ride out - assuming you take care with your decorating. Note that in the 1989 quake houses within a mile of the epicenter were just fine - but those were the ones built by Habitat for humanity. others, built to less stringent codes, or older ones, didn't fare as well. I rode it out in San Francisco on the 48th floor. It was a lot of fun, and a lot better than hurricanes I've been through - or tornadoes. Getting home wasn't as much fun. BTW, that 400' high point isn't a natural feature, it is a garbage dump. or was about 20 years ago (the highest "land" feature for a few years was a garbage pile). And, you might just ask the folks in South Carolina about those funny bolts and washers sticking out of their walls and why they're called earthquake bolts. They HAVE been known to hit there, quite hard too. Just as they have been known to hit the New Madrid faults. So please, let's stop all this nonsense. Last time the people were complaining about going to a show in the frigid northeast in January when it was nice and warm in (A) Florida (B) Texas (C) Southern California), Katrina hit shortly thereafter (yes, you can check the dates in the archives), then Rita hit, then there were large fires in LA basin. I'm not saying there is a connection, but someone might be reading the list and getting peeved to keep hearing such stuff. And he has allegedly white robes instead of the black ones.



At 08:37 PM 12/1/2005, you wrote:
and Richard Hendrickson wrote:

Yeah, but I hear that locusts are coming in droves to the SE states.
Better take bug spray to Cocoa Beach.

= = =

My guess is the bugs won't begin arriving to plague Mike until about Jan. 5.
The nits will be there already, waiting to be picked.

Peter Weiglin
Bob Webber


Re: Florida and Bugs

Peter Weiglin
 

Tony Thompson wrote:

We can all offer three cheers of relief to Mike Brock on the
end of hurricane season . . . for this year, anyway . . . see you in
January, Mike.
and Richard Hendrickson wrote:

Yeah, but I hear that locusts are coming in droves to the SE states.
Better take bug spray to Cocoa Beach.

= = =

My guess is the bugs won't begin arriving to plague Mike until about Jan. 5.
The nits will be there already, waiting to be picked.

Peter Weiglin


Birmingham Map Resources

tappercj
 

The map is very old. Alice Furnace was gone by 1930, IIRC. I apologize for the tardiness, but I am in digest mode and only have tiem every few days to read mail.

I've just moved to Birmingham, and I have been compiling lots of material on the iron, steel, and coal industries here and the incredible spectrum of railroad operations here and in the rest of Alabama.

Try this web site
http://www.bhamrails.info/

Also, try:
http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/

HABS/HAER has tons of information on-line for the Birmingham area including railroads and industries.

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/

All the major industries here are covered in exquisite detail and a lot of minor ones as well. You'll need a fast connection.

The city is covered in high-resolution color photography that can be accessed through Google Earth. Using the freeware USAPhotomaps from J.M. Cox you can build black and white images (georeferenced) or topos off the Terraserver site very easily.

Since I do GIS at work, I have a B&W photomosaic of Birmingham and a corresponding topo base.

Montgomery, a similarly cool cross-roads of numerous roads, has high-res color on the Terraserver site, so it may be a short time before Birmingham also is available from Terraserver. The output is MUCH better than Google Earth.

Hope this helps, and enjoy.

Charles Tapper


Pennsy S Models S Scale X29 project Update

Bill Lane <billlane@...>
 

Hi All,

As you have seen from my email links all of the production cars are here.
Most of them are painted. We received the first printing of the Railway
Express and Circle Keystone decals in late July. Parts of this set were
fuzzy and were promptly rejected. We received the rerun set in October which
had yet another set of quality control issues. We are using pieces from both
sets to speed the completion as much as possible. We did not want to further
delay the process by waiting for a third printing of the decals. This is by
no means a compromise in our quality control. All of the decals used are
crisp and correct in size. The Railway Express cars are being decaled now.
All of the B&O cars are completed and many have been shipped.

The artwork for the Shadow Keystone and Merchandise Service sheet is being
worked on now. This sheet also has the G26 decals on it as well. We hope to
have this sheet printed by February.

As you can see while we have been quiet since the convention we are still
moving forward. NO one wants to get his project completed more then Dan and
I. Look for a website update in December. I will post when that is
completed. Dan and I would like to thank all of our customers for their
patience, and wish you all Happy Holidays.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05
Replacement PRR decals arrived 10-5-05

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com


Re: P&LE 41398

Richard Townsend
 

I neglected to mention that the Wabash car was filmed in about 1958,
being pulled by a steam era steam locomotive. Maybe a little later.
but I think steam was gone from the C&S by 1960 except for the
Leadville-Climax line.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...>
wrote:

On Nov 30, 2005, at 10:27 PM, Chet French wrote:

The Wabash 11300-11999 series cars were purchased from the CNJ in
1962. The Wabash painted the cars freight car red with the large
33"
WABASH and a small flag. All Wabash steel gons had been painted
black prior to these cars. Cars were built by Bethlehem in 1944.
Thanks, Chet. I have a good photo of one but didn't know their
history.

Richard Hendrickson


Branchline lettering removal...

Jack Burgess
 

Does anyone have a good method to remove factory lettering on Branchline
cars? (I need to removal the letterboard lettering from their Pullmans but
would assume that any solution for freight cars would also work on the
Pullmans.)

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Was P&LE 41398; now Wabash gons

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Chet;
I had never heard this story!

Did Wabash buy ALL the CNJ gons in that class, and what do you know of
the story behind it? Was CNJ that desperate for funds that they could
afford the loss of almost 700 gons?

I know that the Wabash leased some G31D gons from the PRR. Did they
have some upswing in auto frame transport that required that measure?
Was this other purchase part of that need, or did the Wabash Beth gons
go into general service?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood


Re: St. Charles Car Co.

Tony Thompson
 

Peter J. McClosky wrote:
Page 3 has a very interesting picture of a 4 wheel caboose, labeled for
the "Los Angeles Terminal".
Was this Los Angeles, California?
If it is, was this one of SP 4 wheel cabooses?
Not one of the CP cars; compare p. 39 in Volume 2. The CP cars had three side windows and a more gently arched roof, among other differences.

An idea when & where the picture was taken?
Certainly after 1873, when the company was founded, and before March, 1899, as that's when St. Charles Car joined several other companies to form American Car & Foundry.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Life Like P2k 10k Insulated Tankcar Type 21

Doug Rhodes
 

For modelers of Canadian prototypes, more caution is warranted. Admittedly the Life Like and Proto 2000 names are used under license by a different company for the Canadian prototypes, and under pressure that company has started putting small disclaimer labels on the newer models that are far from accurate for the Canadian P/L used.

However, some older P2K models are pretty bogus and there was no disclaimer - the 52 foot 6 inch gondola comes to mind. The Greenville car it represents is quite different from the most common gondola used by both CPR and CNR, and the numbering LL Canada put on the CPR version is in fact for a very different car, 4 feet shorter, no fishbelly side, different number of side panels, different side panel sizes, pre WW2 not post, etc. Nice model of a different prototype, but a pretty bogus lettering scheme.

Which undoubtedly suits some modelers' purposes quite adequately, but does warrant more caution for those pursuing greater prototype accuracy for their Canadian steam freight car models. In this case, one can't always rely on a brand name for assurance.

Doug Rhodes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Life Like P2k 10k Insulated Tankcar Type 21


On Dec 1, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Miller, Andrew S. wrote:

Richard,

I notice that most of the road names offered (except the generic GATX)
are for oil companies. Were petroleum products shipped in insulated
tank cars, or were the oil companies shipping other commodities in
them, or is LL smoking something ?
Andy, Tim O'Connor has already identified asphalt and casinghead
gasoline as two common commodities that were shipped in insulated tank
cars. And it's high time you and others on this list stopped
suspecting L-L of applying bogus paint and lettering to P2K freight car
models. Unlike some other manufacturers we could name, they have never
done so and their policy in this regard has not changed under the new
ownership. So long as that policy remains in effect, you can take it
to the bank that P2K models will always have prototypically correct P/L
schemes.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: St. Charles Car Co.

Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
 

Page 3 has a very interesting picture of a 4 wheel caboose, labeled for the "Los Angeles Terminal".
Was this Los Angeles, California?
If it is, was this one of SP 4 wheel cabooses?
An idea when & where the picture was taken?

Peter J. McClosky
-------

ed_mines wrote:

I found the link below stumbling through the internet. It's good for
cars around the turn of the century.

Ed

http://www.win.org/library/services/lhgen/SCcarco/index.htm
--
--
Peter J. McClosky
Formerly of Los Angeles, CA
Now Living in Eugene, Oregon
http://home.earthlink.net/~pmcclosky
pmcclosky@comcast.net


Re: Life Like P2k 10k Insulated Tankcar Type 21

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Miller wrote:
I notice that most of the road names offered (except the generic GATX)
are for oil companies. Were petroleum products shipped in insulated
tank cars, or were the oil companies shipping other commodities in
them, or is LL smoking something ?
Prior to around 1950, certainly prior to WW II, the majority of the tank car traffic was oil-company connected, either direct petroleum products or a few chemicals made from petroleum. The familiar "chemical" tank cars of the 1950s were far fewer in number in earlier years. Richard, quite properly, has already responded to the "smoking something" remark.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Life Like P2k 10k Insulated Tankcar Type 21

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 1, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Miller, Andrew S. wrote:

Richard,

I notice that most of the road names offered (except the generic GATX)
are for oil companies. Were petroleum products shipped in insulated
tank cars, or were the oil companies shipping other commodities in
them, or is LL smoking something ?
Andy, Tim O'Connor has already identified asphalt and casinghead gasoline as two common commodities that were shipped in insulated tank cars. And it's high time you and others on this list stopped suspecting L-L of applying bogus paint and lettering to P2K freight car models. Unlike some other manufacturers we could name, they have never done so and their policy in this regard has not changed under the new ownership. So long as that policy remains in effect, you can take it to the bank that P2K models will always have prototypically correct P/L schemes.

Richard Hendrickson


Duplicate Historical Society Magazines for Swap or Sale

Justin Kahn
 

I've just gone through some of my holdings and found some duplicates of New Haven Shoreliners and C&NW Northwestern Lines issues. I'd prefer to swap for issues I lack but will consider selling them.
The obvious connection to the list is that they are full of useful prototype information on freight cars.
Jace Kahn

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MDC 50 ft. gon

ed_mines
 

I used to buy a lot of kits through estate sales from the listings in
MR & RMC. Occasionally I'd buy some plastic cars too.

A long time ago I bought a "MDC gon" decorated for Burlington. I'm
don't remember if it came in a box or not but I distinctly remember
that it had a die cast underframe typical of MDC. The body was exactly
the same as the classic Athearn gon. I don't have the car any more.

My recollection is that many years ago Model Die Casting listed a 50
ft. gon in their ads.

Did MDC ever offer this car? Did they sell the dies to Athearn?

Ed


St. Charles Car Co.

ed_mines
 

I found the link below stumbling through the internet. It's good for
cars around the turn of the century.

Ed

http://www.win.org/library/services/lhgen/SCcarco/index.htm

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