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hopper interior painting

ed_mines
 

Does anyone know for a fact that the interior of hoppers was actually
painted?

Why paint something if most of the paint will wear off shortly?

I worked in a floor tile factory where the tile stock polished every
metal surface, similar to the tops of railroad rails.

The metal could get rusty, but when the factory started running it
would be long before the polished metal showed.

Ed


Re: Tools/workbench for model building

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

I wrote an article about my workbench and small shop which was in the
September 1982 RMC. It discussed features of the workbenches but not tools
per se. I am fortunate since I have since moved my "shop" from the unheated
garage into a spare bedroom (at the suggestion of my wife) and now have an
11'x12' room dedicated to my shop. I built my own furniture to take
advantage of the space. It includes a computer area (several computers,
scanners, and printers) so that I can use CAD to draw up templates, or
digitally-enhance a photo, etc. while modeling. There is lots of storage
space for styrene and stripwood, detail parts, reference materials, etc. The
main workbench area is about 6' long with drawers for tools, on-going
projects, couplers, trucks, etc. One of the nicest things to include is a
big layout space. I have a peninsula which is situated at 180 degrees from
the main workbench and which is about 32" wide and about 6' long. It
provides space for laying out plans and reference materials while building,
space for models waiting for painting (my paint booth is in the
garage/layout room), space for photographing projects during and after
construction, etc. Having lots of space available around the main modeling
area is very important in my view. I also have a milling machine, table saw,
and lathe stored next to this peninsula and can easily move them onto the
peninsula for use since I don't use them that often. I have a precision
drill press immediately adjacent to the main modeling area which I use all
of the time.

As for tools for kit building, in order of importance:
Tweezers - I have an extremely fine pair of Vigor jeweler's tweezers. I
bought mine about 30 years ago from Otto Frei (http://www.ottofrei.com/).
You want a pair with a very fine touch.
Xacto knife
Single-edge razor blades - I use the Xacto knife more for kit construction
and razor blades for styrene scratchbuilding
A-West applicator bottle for MEK - Many modelers like to apply commercial
plastic cement with a brush. I prefer to use MEK and apply it with one of
these applicator bottles.
Pin Vise and drills (61-80) - I have several pin vises and the best one has
a sliding chuck which is much easier to use than the typical screw type.
Xacto has a drill set with a little plastic top but I have graduated to one
which has a sliding cover and can hold several of the small sizes of bits in
the same "bin". I always have a lots of spare bits in the 75-80 range.
Dial calipers - Mine is a 30-year-old Craftsman model. You'll be surprised
have many drill bits are in the wrong space after checking them with a set
of calipers.
Reading glasses and Optivisor but only if you are as old as me <g>
Sprue cutters - I got mine from PBL. I use the fine one for small parts and
the larger one for brass wire, etc.
Flush-cutting side cutters such as Xuron Micro Shear
Machinist steel square (3")
Small needle pliers (flat, round, and needle) - Get good quality ones
Screwdrivers, assortment flat and Phillips
Files, assortment of flat, round, triangle, etc.
Various clamps
Machinist Angle Blocks - Good for bonding parts together at 90 degrees, etc.
Small screw taps
Set of cutting reamers

As mentioned, I have a precision drill press. It is a Cameron Manual drill
press and is a fantastic piece of machinery. The accuracy is absolute...I
can put a .004" drill bit in this drill press and it will turn it at 30,000
RPM dead on. I have mine hooked up to a Dremel speed controller which slows
it down to a crawl for drilling styrene. It makes drilling grab iron holes
in a resin box car kit a 45-second job rather than a labor-intensive grind.

While I have a Dremel tool, I rarely use it. Likewise, I have a scale ruler
but rarely use it....I tend to measure everything with the dial calipers
including layout of scratchbuilding projects.

Contact me off-line if you have more detailed questions or would like photos
of the shop, etc.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: CGW trucks

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@c...> wrote:

The only CGW car listed on F&C's site is a PS-0 boxcar.

Jerry Glow
What's a PS-0 box car???? According to a photocopy of an original list from Pullman
Technology Inc., Pullman-Standard built 50 40'6" Light Weight Box Cars for the CGW as
Lot 5584 at Michigan City that were numbered 90000-90049. The same P-S lot also
included Light Weight Box Cars for the UP and B&LE. I fail to see PS-0 anywhere on the list.
However, much later on the list, I do see thousands of "PS-1" box cars being built for
many railroads. What gives? Can my photocopy be in error????? Am I missing some
pages??? Or did someone invent the term "PS-0" at a later time?????? Say, 50 years
later??? I'm confused!!!!

Perhaps I'll research the subject for RP CYC.

Pat Wider


Re: CGW trucks

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Sorry Richard, When I pasted the message from another group to this
one I changed the subject line. The original message had PS-O in the
subject line. I didn't want to open that can of worms again. I
didn't realize the type of car wasn't mentioned elsewhere in the
post. I have a RPI kit of this car, so I'm interested in getting his
question answered also.

I searched my meager resources. Gene Green's Morning Sun 'color
book' says the 90000 series CGW box cars blt in 38 had ASF trucks,
not ASF A3 trucks. I saw no mention of a plain ASF truck in RP Cyc
4. I know the A3 trucks are available in HO. Is there a plain ASF
truck? Is one available in HO?

Much worst is the hand brake. Gene lists the hand brake as being
Vermillion (Klasing)? A quick look through RP Cyc 10 made me more
confused. The only in service photo I have doesn't show the hand
brake. I have a photocopy of a builders photo, but I can't find it
at this time.

Any help with my brake wheel dilemma will be greatly appreciated.

Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@o...> wrote:

On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Clark Propst wrote:

I recently purchased a couple of Funaro & Camerlengo CGW boxcar
kits.
The instructions don't specify what type of trucks to use. Can
someone tell me what type was used on the CGW cars in the mid-
1950's?

We might be able to help if you'd tell us which CGW cars the kits
represent.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Weathering hopper interiors - PRR Erie - Bethlehem Ore Train

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@s...> wrote:

Eric wrote:

By what means did the SRoA foil the laws of gravity to keep the ore
from sliding to the lowest point
in the car?
Dunno, but Penn Valley's video "The Ore Train" has shots of ore
piled on
the slope sheets.

Tim Gilbert
Friction and inertia. Obviously, the end pockets are filled, and the
heap continues up the slpoe sheets.


Re: Weathering hopper interiors

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Miller, Andrew S." <asmiller@m...> wrote:

Dennis,

What you say makes sense. It keeps the hoppers loaded in most of both
directions. But how do you account for the varied weathering patterns
on the cars (other than the recently shopped, clean car in the
foreground)?
I can't give you a definite answer, but will hazard a guess.
Obviously, if the car still has fresh paint on the interior, it just
hasn't had time to wear off. The paint would wear off from the lower
parts of the sheets first, since more material would be sliding past
the lower portions than higher up, so with time the wear would move
progressively upward. As for the rusty car, consider this; the Pennsy
carried considerably more coal than iron ore, so it is possible that
some of those cars carried loads to points other than to the lake
ports, and so had long empty trips back. In addition, as business
activity rose and fell, some cars would go into storage for extended
periods of time, long enough to get rusty. Once back in regular
service, it would take a couple of loads to wear the rust out. Back in
the days of "loose car" railroading, each car has to be considered as
a separate case; it could have a totally different movement history
than the cars on each side of it.


Re: Weathering hopper interiors - PRR Erie - Bethlehem Ore Train

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Eric wrote:

By what means did the SRoA foil the laws of gravity to keep the ore from sliding to the lowest point
in the car?
Dunno, but Penn Valley's video "The Ore Train" has shots of ore piled on the slope sheets.

Tim Gilbert


Re: CGW trucks

jerryglow2
 

The only CGW car listed on F&C's site is a PS-0 boxcar.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@o...> wrote:

On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Clark Propst wrote:

I recently purchased a couple of Funaro & Camerlengo CGW boxcar
kits.
The instructions don't specify what type of trucks to use. Can
someone tell me what type was used on the CGW cars in the mid-
1950's?

We might be able to help if you'd tell us which CGW cars the kits
represent.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Weathering hopper interiors - PRR Erie - Bethlehem Ore Train

Eric
 

By what means did the SRoA foil the laws of gravity to keep the ore from sliding to the lowest point
in the car?


Eric Petersson


Tim Gilbert wrote:

"The Pennsy generally used large "70-ton" hoppers to carry ore from Erie to Bethlehem PA
interchanging with the Lehigh Valley in Mount Carmel. The ore was piled high on the slope sheets so
as to balance the load on both sides of each truck. Without this balancing, the load would have
had to be reduced; otherwise, the car could break in two."




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Re: Tools/workbench for model building

Charles Hladik
 

Fred,
Please contact me off list re A&D.
Chuck Hladik
Lynchburg, VA


Re: Update to the Update...Prototype Rails

Andy Harman <andy10@...>
 

At 10:23 PM 12/9/2005 -0500, you wrote:
OK...here's an update to the update. I tried the 800 number for Prototype
Rails [ 1-800-526-2609 ] and the operator DID find rooms at the $97 rate.
The issue could be operator related.
Usually in the past, I've had to call the hotel directly to get any event
rates. So I still have the Cocoa Beach Hilton programmed into my cell
phone. I called, asked for reservations, and they promptly switched me to
the 800 number. But.. they found Prototype Rails no problem. I've played
phone ping pong in the past with this, the 800 says call direct, and direct
sends you back to 800, etc.

At least it's not like trying to get NMRA rates....

Andy


Re: Tools/workbench for model building

s shaffer
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Mullins" <fmullins@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:16 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Tools/workbench for model building

I have been thinking of getting rid of my workbench and start sitting on the
floor. Everything seems to end up down there anyway.

Steve Shaffer


Re: Tools/workbench for model building

Gregg Mahlkov <mahlkov@...>
 

Fred,

I'd say a lot depends on what scale you are working in and what materials you plan to use. Do you plan to superdetail kits, or scratchbuild cars? Use, styrene, wood, or metal?

I work in N scale and use an old salesman's desk on which I have a 16x16 inch floor tile, atop which I keep an 8x10 self healing mat. A combination lamp/magnifying glass mounted on a swiveling arm is my most important tool.

The two tools I use most are a knife with a No. 11 blade and a pair of fine tweezers. Beyond that, the list would take pages.

Gregg Mahlkov

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Mullins" <fmullins@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:16 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Tools/workbench for model building


Folks,
I want to start building detail freight cars and diesels. I need to set
up a workbench and get the right tools to do it. Can anyone give me a list
of good tools to have to do this?
Also what type of workbench do most use a desk or something specially built
for the job?
Thanks for any help in this!
Fred Mullins
modeling the Atlantic & Danville
remember "For Service See......the A&D!"





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Update to the Update...Prototype Rails

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

OK...here's an update to the update. I tried the 800 number for Prototype Rails [ 1-800-526-2609 ] and the operator DID find rooms at the $97 rate. The issue could be operator related.

Sounds like what happens when I have trouble running my layout <g>..

Mike Brock


Tools/workbench for model building

Fred Mullins
 

Folks,
I want to start building detail freight cars and diesels. I need to set
up a workbench and get the right tools to do it. Can anyone give me a list
of good tools to have to do this?
Also what type of workbench do most use a desk or something specially built
for the job?
Thanks for any help in this!
Fred Mullins
modeling the Atlantic & Danville
remember "For Service See......the A&D!"


Prototype Rails/Cocoa Beach Update

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

I think an update on Prototype Rails would be good to do.

First, I'm pleased to note that Charlie Vlk has been added to the clinician list and he'll be presenting on "How Models are Brought To Market". Charlie tells me that BLI/PCM will have a representative attend the meet as well and they are anxious to converse with some of the learned members of the STMFC.

I would also note that we're having a few issues with hotel reservation pricing done via the 800 number. Let me emphasize that this is NOT a problem and all room nights one week prior to and one week after the meet will be at the $97 rate...regardless of what an 800 number operator says. The issue was caused by a computer program processing the cut off date of Dec 6 which has been extended to Dec 23. Even after then, any room bought for Prototype Rails use WILL be at the $97 rate. Please let me know if you encounter any of these issues. Incidentally, if you have not made a room reservation, please do, they are going fast.

Thanks. Snow?

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails/Cocoa Beach Bossman


Re: NORTH COAST HOBBIES

Andy Harman <andy10@...>
 

At 11:56 PM 12/9/2005 -0000, you wrote:
I've been looking for a blasting booth for preparing models for
painting. I tried e-mailing the e-mail I had for North Coast Hobbies,
but didn't get a reply. Anyone know if they're still making this
product and how to contact them? Do any of you have experience with a
comparable piece of equipment?
Buy the same thing at Harbor Freight for 1/2 the $$.

Andy


Re: CGW trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Clark Propst wrote:

I recently purchased a couple of Funaro & Camerlengo CGW boxcar kits.
The instructions don't specify what type of trucks to use. Can
someone tell me what type was used on the CGW cars in the mid-1950's?
We might be able to help if you'd tell us which CGW cars the kits represent.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: NORTH COAST HOBBIES

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Here is the final answer that was posted a couple of weeks ago:

However, when I needed to get some replacement parts, new grit,
etc., I never
got a response to any of inquiries to North Coast.

Looking at the North Coast cabinet carefully, I found a reference to
Cyclone
Blasters, who I believe actually make the booths and sell them to
North
Coast. Check them out at:

http://www.cycloneblasters.com/

They were very helpful and service was excellent. Now, back to
building
steam era freight cars.....

Several freight car modelers also recommended the sand blasting cabinet
available from Harbor Freight.

I haven't purchased either yet myself...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: MSTL Station Car Records

Allen Rueter <allen@...>
 

Thanks Doug,
I found a map on the CNWHS site.
I was curious about traffic interchange to the Wabash, and whether more
of it occured at Des Moines or Albia.

thanks

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 10:23:22PM -0600, Douglas Harding wrote:
Allen, the thru line for the M&StL was the former Iowa Central line which
came down through Mason City, Marshalltown and Oskaloosa to Albia. At
Oskaloosa the line turned east to Peoria.

The original M&StL line out of Minneapolis/St. Paul came to Albert Lea then
headed towards Fort Dodge. Via various merger the M&StL got to Des Moines
via this line. This line never went any further south, but rather the M&StL
had trackage rights from DM to Albia via the Wabash. Dallas Center and
Minburn were on the DM to Fort Dodge line, between Waukee and Perry. The
cement plants in DM were a major source of traffic.

I can send a M&StL map off line if you would like or go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mstl/ to view the map.

Doug Harding (MSTL list owner)
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com
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