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Re: MDT reefers

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

I don't believe you are going to find any either; the heralds were reintroduced with the steel cars;
heralds had last been used back in the 1920s when everything was white.

Roger H.

On Dec 15, 2005, at 12:44 AM, Ron Morse wrote:

More than one road used MDT reefers. The white with stripes were used
by the NYC in both wood and steel. Other roads used the orange as
well.WhatI have NOT found are photos of the wood cars in orange with
the NYC hearld. I would like to see photos of them if they did exist,
along with the dates. I have a cut off date of 1950.
I think what may be overlooked here is that I am inquiring about NYC
MDT cars, not just MDT, that makes a diference.
Ron Morse
NYC O scale in Springfield,MO.





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Re: PFE Reefer running boards (was especially NP)

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony, I have two PFE diagrams for the R-40-23 and although both
mention FIVE different hand brakes, TWO different running boards
and even FIVE different draft gears (for 50 permutations total),
they don't say which cars got which!

Tim O'Connor

P.S. Gene, the diagrams come from Dick Harley. I think he did make
copies for sale at one time. That's how I got copies.

The PFE diagram book shows that the R-40-23 class had both
Morton and U.S. Gypsum running boards; the R-40-25 had Apex, Morton,
and Gypsum running boards. I don't have handy the breakdown among car
orders to provide car numbers for each application. The reason
specialties like those were not tabulated in the book is that another
party planned, at the time we published the book, to reprint the PFE
diagram book for sale. As many will realize, that reprint never
occurred.

Tony Thompson


Re: Gould/Tichy tank car

tyesac@...
 

In a message dated 12/15/2005 11:25:15 AM Central Standard Time,
rhendrickson@opendoor.com writes:
on by Bob
Hundman, he thought the drawings were all he needed and neither Gould
nor Hundman realized until after the model was completed that there was
no prototype for it.
That line of dialog used by Don Adams' character in that 60's TV spy spoof
"Get Smart" comes to mind here: "missed it by just that much"!

At least it's a good thing that Gould/Tichy didn't repeat that error with
their later cars. Makes me wonder why they couldn't salvage some of the tank car
by reissuing the frame under a correct tank.

Tom C


Re: ART Reefer Book - Call for Information

al_brown03
 

There's an in-service picture of ART 18951 in the March 1989 Model
Railroading, p 54; it's credited to the Gene Semon collection.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, asychis@a... wrote:

Hello All,

There is a book being prepared on the American Refrigerator
Transit Company.
No specifics on when it will be published, but it is nearing the
time when
the final draft is being sent by the authors to the publisher for
revision.

This message is a call for information on ART, including photos,
information,
personal remembrances, etc. We don't need a lot of information on
the common
cars, but we are interested in rarer photos, photos of facilities,
painting
information, erection drawings, and diagrams (especially for the
wooden cars).
For instance, there was a series of five single-sheathed outside-
braced
reefers in the 18950-18954 series for which we have a builder's
photo from the
1920s but no others. At some time in the past at train shows I
have see a photo
of one of these cars with a small ART shield and probably a 1930-
40s era paint
scheme. Would sure like to find this photo.

So, if you want to help out, here is an opportunity to get
information to us
before the book is finalized published.

Thanks for any and all help.

Jerry Michels




Re: Reefer running boards, especially NP

Tony Thompson
 

Is the "diagram book" idea dead?
No, but we have no current plans to do one. We have diagrams from 1906 to the 1970s.

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Re: UTLX Decals.

Tony Thompson
 

Pat Wider wrote:
Tony, I've posted a photo illustrating the interior of a pressure tank car valve casing in the
files section. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Yes, a photo is most useful here. There are a bunch more in Kaminski's tank car book.

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Re: UTLX Decals.

Ed Hawkins
 

On Thursday, December 15, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Bruce is right to put quotes around "dome" for the jacketed tank
car, as the normally "proper" name is "valve casing." But in some
manufacturer literature and in the AAR tank car committee reports, that
feature is indeed called a "dome," so the industry wasn't entirely
consistent. But one does need to realize that the purpose of the dome
on an unpressurized car was to provide expansion space. Not only is
that not relevant in a pressurized car, there is virtually no interior
volume in a valve casing which could accept expansion.
Tony,
Confirming your statement, the AC&F engineering drawings during the
1920s through 1950s consistently specified "dome housing" or "dome
arrangement" for nomenclature in the title blocks. This was the case
for all ICC classes of tank cars.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Athearn 65'6" AAR Mill Gondolas

Richard Hendrickson
 

A week or so ago, I promised I'd post photos of a finished Athearn mill gon model built from pre-production test shots. I've sent the scans to Pat Wider, along with an image of the MILW double door horizontal rib box car I built recently from a Rib Side Models kit, and Pat is going to post them for me.

Richard Hendrickson


UTLX

Arnold van Heyst
 

Whell......i guess i won't buy the Tichy tank car in this case......


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ajfergusonca <ajferguson@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson
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On Dec 15, 2005, at 1:54 AM, Thomas M. Olsen wrote:

I understand that you can also get good UTLX decals from Black
Cat in
Canada! >
His sets for General American and Sinclair are
also excellent (I helped out with the prototype research on these,
so I
know how hard Al worked to get them right).

Richard Hendrickson
Thanks for all the nice things your saying but I haven't printed the
UTLX set yet so don't send your orders for hundreds of sets in
yet :) .The GATX and SINCLAIR sets are available. The UTLX will be
in January / February. The CN maple leaf box car sets have set me
back a few months. I'm open to suggestions for another tank car set
for next year (off line please)
Allen Ferguson


Re: Refrigerator Cars (Reefers) History

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Interesting mostly for what it leaves out. It's just the sort of
distorted view of railroad refrigerator cars you're likely to get from
someone who is largely ignorant on the subject but has a particular
"slant." More misleading than useful, IMHO.
I'd agree, but at least it doesn't repeat the ancient chestnut that the reefer "was invented in 1869 to haul strawberries to Chicago," which used to appear in virtually every history. And the details on the history of beer shipping are interesting, though I think the writer did not understand railroad operations (or the history of freight cars) very well.

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Re: Reefer running boards, especially NP

losgatos48@...
 

Tony:
Is the "diagram book" idea dead?
Gene Deimling

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Ron Merrick wrote:
There is both a roof photo (of R-40-23) and a diagram (of R-40-26) in
The
Book on PFE cars that show these classes as having Morton round-hole
running boards. Simple enough. I would presume that the R-40-25 did
also, although I haven't seen anything in my short search that shows
that.
The PFE diagram book shows that the R-40-23 class had both
Morton and U.S. Gypsum running boards; the R-40-25 had Apex, Morton,
and Gypsum running boards. I don't have handy the breakdown among car
orders to provide car numbers for each application. The reason
specialties like those were not tabulated in the book is that another
party planned, at the time we published the book, to reprint the PFE
diagram book for sale. As many will realize, that reprint never
occurred.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: UTLX Decals.

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tony Thompson <thompsonmarytony@s...> wrote:

Bruce Smith wrote:
Other cars out there include the Trix 6,000 gal
ICC105, the Athearn triple dome, and "chemical" tank (an insulated
ICC105
with a grossly too large "dome").
Bruce is right to put quotes around "dome" for the jacketed tank
car, as the normally "proper" name is "valve casing." But in some
manufacturer literature and in the AAR tank car committee reports, that
feature is indeed called a "dome," so the industry wasn't entirely
consistent. But one does need to realize that the purpose of the dome
on an unpressurized car was to provide expansion space. Not only is
that not relevant in a pressurized car, there is virtually no interior
volume in a valve casing which could accept expansion.

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Tony, I've posted a photo illustrating the interior of a pressure tank car valve casing in the
files section. A picture is worth a thousand words.

Pat Wider


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Re: Reefer running boards, especially NP

Tony Thompson
 

Ron Merrick wrote:
There is both a roof photo (of R-40-23) and a diagram (of R-40-26) in The
Book on PFE cars that show these classes as having Morton round-hole
running boards. Simple enough. I would presume that the R-40-25 did
also, although I haven't seen anything in my short search that shows that.
The PFE diagram book shows that the R-40-23 class had both Morton and U.S. Gypsum running boards; the R-40-25 had Apex, Morton, and Gypsum running boards. I don't have handy the breakdown among car orders to provide car numbers for each application. The reason specialties like those were not tabulated in the book is that another party planned, at the time we published the book, to reprint the PFE diagram book for sale. As many will realize, that reprint never occurred.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Deleting inadvertent posts

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Apologies for stepping on Mike's or Jeff's toes, but an author can
delete any of his posts at any time. That doesn't stop inadvertent
posts from going to subscribers getting individual emails, but does
keep them out of the daily digests (if deleted in time) and reduces
clutter in the archives. You have to delete from the STMFC web site,
but if you find and open your post from the Message list there will be
a Delete option available at the upper right.

Tom Madden


Re: UTLX Decals.

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
Other cars out there include the Trix 6,000 gal
ICC105, the Athearn triple dome, and "chemical" tank (an insulated ICC105
with a grossly too large "dome").
Bruce is right to put quotes around "dome" for the jacketed tank car, as the normally "proper" name is "valve casing." But in some manufacturer literature and in the AAR tank car committee reports, that feature is indeed called a "dome," so the industry wasn't entirely consistent. But one does need to realize that the purpose of the dome on an unpressurized car was to provide expansion space. Not only is that not relevant in a pressurized car, there is virtually no interior volume in a valve casing which could accept expansion.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: UTLX Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 15, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Patrick Wider wrote:

Richard, isn't the AC&F SL-SF ICC 103-W 10K gallon tank car correct for the RC model? See
the photo of SL-SF 191020 I just posted to the files section. Note the Diesel Fuel Loading
Only lettering and the yellow dome.
Yes, it is, and IIRC a couple of other RRs also bought these cars for diesel fuel service.

Richard Hendrickson

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