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UP Box Car Door Painting

Brian Termunde
 

If this question is outside of this groups timeframe, please forgive me as I
do not know for sure the era that the following happened. If it is later then
is appropriate, I would appreciate an off list reply if possible...

Now with that preliminary stuff out of the way, Micro-trains recently issued
a representation of a UP B-50-60 box car. While the specific car is too new
for this group or for my 1951-52 era Grand Canyon District, I am curious
about both the yellow door and the red dot on the door. I looked through my copy
of Union Pacific Freight Cars 1936-51, and waded through page after page of
model railroad equipment on both AOL and Google. Looked at Don Strack's
_www.utahrails.net_ (http://www.utahrails.net) website as well as UP's own site.
And can find nothing on this. Can anyone help me with either an explanation or
a pointer to a website that does have this info?

Thanks in advance for any and all assistance!

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District


Re: white, wood MDT reefer

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

you read my mind, I wanted to ask what number was listed and MDT 9000 confirms it was a steel car; in
fact I have that photo from the Sirman collection.

You are correct on E Rochester; the photo is marked on the back as the location as Rochester but it is a builder's photo and was obviously taken at ER

Roger Hinman

Just for the record, the latest known siting of a white wood car to my knowledge is in 1942 (photo is in an older NYCHS mag); I'd love to hear of another photo reference at a later date

On Jan 13, 2006, at 1:39 PM, ed_mines wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Roger Hinman <rhinman@r...> wrote:
I thought I had all of Keith Sirman's MDT photos and I don't have
any
of a 1947 wood car; too bad he's not on this list.
Roger Hinman
Roger, Maybe you do and there's some error in the description of the
photo. Left to right the computer generated list reads - MDT, 9000,
reefer, wood Rochester NY, Jan-47, at Despatch shops in red, white &
blue.

It's East Rochester, not Rochester. I passed those shops many times in
the late '70s when I worked in Penfield.

Ed








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Re: "grimy vice paint" (OT)

Scott Pitzer
 

Oh... I thought it was a color you would use on a model of an undercover police car!
Scott Pitzer

-----Original Message-----
From: benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Jan 13, 2006 1:12 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: "grimy vice paint" (OT)

Lee Dennegar wrote:
"Who knew "vice" was a preposition. This fifty-year-old American
egghead never saw the word used this way.

Do you pronounce it vIs, vI-sEE, or vEE-chAY?"

From Miriam-Webster online:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Main Entry: vice (3)
Pronunciation: 'vIs also 'vI-sE
Function: Preposition
Etymology: Latin, ablative of vicis change, alternation, stead
Definition: in the place of <I will preside, vice the absent
chairman>; also : rather than


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Re: Soo (van Dorn?) gon end

David Smith <dsmith@...>
 

And apparently on boxcar ends, too - a Google search found a Central of
Georgia plan book reprint which apparently shows a boxcar with van Dorn
ends (http://cofg.org/store/ShowByID.php?ID=2)

and the RPI site shows a PRR Anchor Line boxcar
(http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Box-cars/36-foot/XM-shorty-
PRR-Anchor-Line-Van-Dorn-end.jpg)

Dave, who finds these ends fascinating

David L. Smith, Ph.D.

Director of Professional Development

Da Vinci Discovery Center, Allentown, PA

http://www.davinci-center.org <http://www.davinci-center.org/>

"Who will pick up where Leonardo left off?"

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Subject: [STMFC] Soo (van Dorn?) gon end


I recall we discussed spiraled gon end several months ago.

I believe I first learned about van Dorn ends in "Mainline Modeler".
May a Cyril Durrenburger article?

Anyway there's a railroad produced, New York Central steam era video
about freight yards and a gon with this end shows up.

Another gon with this end showed up in a photo accompanying an article
on Erie related freight yards in Manhattan which appeared in the EL
society magazine a year or two ago.

So I don't think these van Dorn ends are that uncommon.

Ed





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Seaboard Box Cars Presentation at Cocoa Beach - Updates/Corrections

golden1014
 

All,

For those who attended my Seaboard Box Cars
presentation at the Prototype Modeler's meet at Cocoa
Beach, here are a few updates to the handout:

1. The opening slide established the relationship of
Seaboard's box car fleet compared to the national box
car fleet. Numbers on the handout are incorrect.
Correct numbers for that slide are as follows:

- Seaboard possessed 12,415 cars, or about 1.7% of the
national total
- Seaboard possessed 22,892 total freight cars
(mid-year ORER)
- Breakdown: 6,728 Box Cars, 2,744 Auto-Furn Cars,
2,943 Ventilators (VM)
- Ventilated cars made up about 30% of the total box
car fleet in 1949
- Of Seaboard's 12, 415 box cars, approximately 3,300
were composite-sided (28% - includes vents)

2. I made an error reporting the delivery of
Seaboard's 2000 B-5 box cars. Thanks to Tony Thompson
for pointing out the discrepancy. The slide should
read:

- First 1000 cars, Lot 5479, delivered delivered Aug
1930 from Pullman (Bessemer).
- Second 1000 cars, Also Lot 5479, delivered November
1930 from Richmond.

3. The lecture and handout notes that Seaboard's B-6
express ventilator box cars, series 700-754, were
equipped with Buckeye trucks. New information has
come to my attention that the cars were originally
equipped with Allied full-cushion trucks when modified
for express service in 1943-45. A photo showing a car
with Allied trucks is on pg.110 of the Richard Prince
Seaboard Rwy book. Further examination of records
indicates the cars were retrofitted in 1950/51 with
Buckeye Trucks and �multi-wear wheels�. Thanks to
Paul Bizer for bringing this to light. In fact, Paul
insisted during the presentation that the cars were
originally rebuilt with Allied trucks, and everyone
told him that he was wrong. Paul, in fact, was right!

4. Further information on the Seaboard express
ventilators. I showed a photo from my collection of
an express vent "without the vent", and posed that
this might have been one of 15 cars added to express
service by Seaboard in the early 1960s. Ron Dettmer
confirmed that this was correct--the 15 cars added in
the 1960s were not modified with the Wine Co.
ventilators.

5. Regarding the AF-5 series of automobile-furniture
cars, I found a photo at Bob's last weekend that
indicates the cars may have been delivered with black
or car cement roofs. No hard data yet, but I'll
continue searching for the correct answer. Also, there
appears to be no nomenclature for the car's unique
ends. Richard Hendrickson mentioned the cars had
proprietary Pressed Steel ends, but he was not aware
of any particular trade name for the ends.

John




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Re: "grimy vice paint" (OT)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Lee Dennegar wrote:
"Who knew "vice" was a preposition. This fifty-year-old American
egghead never saw the word used this way.

Do you pronounce it vIs, vI-sEE, or vEE-chAY?"

From Miriam-Webster online:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Main Entry: vice (3)
Pronunciation: 'vIs also 'vI-sE
Function: Preposition
Etymology: Latin, ablative of vicis change, alternation, stead
Definition: in the place of <I will preside, vice the absent
chairman>; also : rather than


Ben Hom


Re: C&O Auto Box car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

I wrote:
"The July/August 2005 issue of the C&OHS magazine "C&O History" has
a 9-page article on the 9500-9599 series cars..."

This correction IS due to a typo. The correct number series is C&O
9500-9999.


Ben Hom


Re: C&O Auto Box car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Scott Pitzer wrote:
"C&O had a handful of aluminum box cars, but they've got nothing to
do with this auto car kit... maybe he means for you to use the
diagram as a guide for layout of the WHITE lettering on your box
car. (Does that diagram have the Progress logo or not?)"

Don Worthy wrote:
"Yes, I'm thinking this was he way of showing me where the lettering
is to go. Yes, it does have the "Progress" logo."

The C&O Historical Society website has online photos of these cars
as built:
http://www.chessieshop.com/gallery/showphoto.pl?id=8396
http://www.chessieshop.com/gallery/showphoto.pl?id=8397
http://www.chessieshop.com/gallery/showphoto.pl?id=8398
http://www.chessieshop.com/gallery/showphoto.pl?id=8610

The C&O paint and lettering diagram for the cars as built are also
available through the society webstore:
http://www.chessieshop.com/pld12/index.htm

Select "Box Auto" from the drop down menu and type "9500" in the car
number block.

For photos of these cars in the "For Progress" lettering, I
recommend you get a copy of the C&O Historical Society Magazine
articles cited in my last e-mail. These are far better to work from
than a Champ lettering diagram for a different series of cars that
isn't entirely correct for the car that you're working on.


Ben Hom


Re: "grimy vice paint" (OT)

leedennegar
 

Who knew "vice" was a preposition. This fifty-year-old
American egghead never saw the word used this way.

Do you pronounce it vIs, vI-sEE, or vEE-chAY?



--- benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Dean Payne asked:
"OK Ben, what is "grimy vice paint?" I expect it's
a typo, but I
can't make heads nor tails of it."

It's not a typo. "Grimy vice [instead of] paint"
means that the roof
of the car is so dirty that it's very difficult to
tell what the
orignal color was, whether C&O's version of boxcar
red, black car
cement, or unpainted.


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"grimy vice paint", was Re: C&O Auto Box car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Dean Payne asked:
"OK Ben, what is "grimy vice paint?" I expect it's a typo, but I
can't make heads nor tails of it."

It's not a typo. "Grimy vice [instead of] paint" means that the roof
of the car is so dirty that it's very difficult to tell what the
orignal color was, whether C&O's version of boxcar red, black car
cement, or unpainted.


Ben Hom


Re: Soo (van Dorn?) gon end

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Ed Mines wrote:
"I believe I first learned about van Dorn ends in "Mainline Modeler".
May[be] a Cyril Durrenburger article?"

No. John Nehrich's "More ends", Mainline Modeler, February 1987, page
40.


Ben Hom


Re: Tichy Steam Wrecking crane

armprem
 

Roger,Can't help but agree.I would like to see different booms so one
could convert it into a 90 ton version.Armand Premo

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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Tichy Steam Wrecking crane


Kurt Johnson wrote.



Does anyone have any thoughts of improvements or corrections for
Tichy's 120 Ton wrecking crane? This is a beautiful kit as is, I just
picked up a new one. I had built this kit once before, many years ago.

Kurt, I modified my Tichy Crane kit to better reflect the one B&M had.
Using
prototype photos I enclosed the open sides with operating sliding steel
doors. I added miscellaneous other details to the cab, especially on the
end. I added non-working 'work' lights on the boom and cab front. As
always
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Re: Tichy Steam Wrecking crane

PBowers <waiting@...>
 

I've forwarded your request to the North_American_M-O-W list at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/North_American_M-O-W/


At 12:57 PM 1/13/06, you wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts of improvements or corrections for
Tichy's 120 Ton wrecking crane? This is a beautiful kit as is, I just
picked up a new one. I had built this kit once before, many years ago.

Kurt
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Re: Tichy Steam Wrecking crane

Roger Robar <rrobar@...>
 

Kurt Johnson wrote.



Does anyone have any thoughts of improvements or corrections for
Tichy's 120 Ton wrecking crane? This is a beautiful kit as is, I just
picked up a new one. I had built this kit once before, many years ago.

Kurt, I modified my Tichy Crane kit to better reflect the one B&M had. Using
prototype photos I enclosed the open sides with operating sliding steel
doors. I added miscellaneous other details to the cab, especially on the
end. I added non-working 'work' lights on the boom and cab front. As always
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Soo (van Dorn?) gon end

ed_mines
 

I recall we discussed spiraled gon end several months ago.

I believe I first learned about van Dorn ends in "Mainline Modeler".
May a Cyril Durrenburger article?

Anyway there's a railroad produced, New York Central steam era video
about freight yards and a gon with this end shows up.

Another gon with this end showed up in a photo accompanying an article
on Erie related freight yards in Manhattan which appeared in the EL
society magazine a year or two ago.

So I don't think these van Dorn ends are that uncommon.

Ed


Re: white, wood MDT reefer

charmantas
 

I'm not the MDT scholar that Roger Hinman is, but even I know that MDT
9000 is an all-steel reefer, not a wooden or composite car.

Charles Harmantas


Re: white, wood MDT reefer

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Roger Hinman <rhinman@r...> wrote:
I thought I had all of Keith Sirman's MDT photos and I don't have
any
of a 1947 wood car; too bad he's not on this list.
Roger Hinman
Roger, Maybe you do and there's some error in the description of the
photo. Left to right the computer generated list reads - MDT, 9000,
reefer, wood Rochester NY, Jan-47, at Despatch shops in red, white &
blue.

It's East Rochester, not Rochester. I passed those shops many times in
the late '70s when I worked in Penfield.

Ed


Re: C&O Auto Box car

leakinmywaders
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tony Thompson <thompsonmarytony@s...> wrote:

Don Worthy wrote:
Also, does anyone know of a source for HO scale waybills? I've seen
several models with this detail added. What information would it have?
Probably you mean placards or route cards, not waybills (they
traveled in the caboose). The lettering is so small on most of them
that it's not readable in HO scale, but there have been commercial ones
with legends like "UNLOAD OTHER SIDE," and similar wordings which are
large on prototype placards.
Don, IN HO scale, Microscale set 87-975, "Hazardous material Placards
for Freight Cars (1945-1970) might be what you are looking for. The
sheet has many useful placards of the type Tony mentions, not just
hazardous material signs.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: Baldwin 4-6-0 "Ten Wheeler".

Charlie Vlk
 

The Bachman 4-6-0 has two different boiler and driver heights, different headlight/smokeboxes, and a number of different tender types.
It is an attempt to make a standard locomotive into a reasonable approximation of a number of different prototypes.
It is not an exact model of any particular road's locomotive. The UP engine might be picked out of a lineup as a UP loco if the lettering on the tender was absent, but it would also be detected as bogus in a roundhouse full of real UP locos.
But it can pull freightcars.
Charlie Vlk


Tichy Steam Wrecking crane

Kurt Johnson <lnkjohnson@...>
 

Does anyone have any thoughts of improvements or corrections for
Tichy's 120 Ton wrecking crane? This is a beautiful kit as is, I just
picked up a new one. I had built this kit once before, many years ago.

Kurt

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