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Re: C&O Auto Box car

leakinmywaders
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tony Thompson <thompsonmarytony@s...> wrote:

Don Worthy wrote:
Also, does anyone know of a source for HO scale waybills? I've seen
several models with this detail added. What information would it have?
Probably you mean placards or route cards, not waybills (they
traveled in the caboose). The lettering is so small on most of them
that it's not readable in HO scale, but there have been commercial ones
with legends like "UNLOAD OTHER SIDE," and similar wordings which are
large on prototype placards.
Don, IN HO scale, Microscale set 87-975, "Hazardous material Placards
for Freight Cars (1945-1970) might be what you are looking for. The
sheet has many useful placards of the type Tony mentions, not just
hazardous material signs.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: Baldwin 4-6-0 "Ten Wheeler".

Charlie Vlk
 

The Bachman 4-6-0 has two different boiler and driver heights, different headlight/smokeboxes, and a number of different tender types.
It is an attempt to make a standard locomotive into a reasonable approximation of a number of different prototypes.
It is not an exact model of any particular road's locomotive. The UP engine might be picked out of a lineup as a UP loco if the lettering on the tender was absent, but it would also be detected as bogus in a roundhouse full of real UP locos.
But it can pull freightcars.
Charlie Vlk


Tichy Steam Wrecking crane

Kurt Johnson <lnkjohnson@...>
 

Does anyone have any thoughts of improvements or corrections for
Tichy's 120 Ton wrecking crane? This is a beautiful kit as is, I just
picked up a new one. I had built this kit once before, many years ago.

Kurt


GATEWAY MRR CLUB OPEN HOUSE.

Bill Jones
 

Gateway Model Railroad Club in Brooklawn, New Jersey has an open house
this weekend Saturday the 14th and Sunday the 15th. Address is 100
Browning Road, Brooklawn, NJ, 08030. Just off Route 42 to Atlantic City
Expressway.

We are running Modern equipment this weekend 80's and up to present. On
an eastern, bridge line between the old Reading, Erie and Pennsy in New
Jersey. We operate with a Digitrax system over two operating levels and
a third for our staging.

We will be changing over to 50's equipment for our Jan. 28th and 29th
open house.

If you are in the area, you are more than welcome to visit.

Thanks
Bill Jones


"grimy vice paint", was Re: C&O Auto Box car

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

OK Ben, what is "grimy vice paint?" I expect it's a typo, but I can't
make heads nor tails of it.
Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@w...> wrote:

Don Worthy asked:
"Guys do any of you know of a photo of a C&O 40' auto-box car that I
could look at?"
<SNIP>
"Would this car have black ends, doors and roof?"
The only color photo that I could turn up was on the cover of the
July/August 2005 C&O History magazine. It's dated 1958. The doors
are NOT black; the roof is dark but appears to be grimy vice painted
black; the ends are impossible to tell as they are in shadow. The
black and white photos do NOT appear to show black ends or doors.


Ben Hom


Re: C&O Auto Box car

Don Worthy
 

Scott said:
maybe he means for you to use the diagram as a guide for layout of the WHITE lettering on your box car. (Does that diagram have the Progress logo or not?)
Yes, I'm thinking this was he way of showing me where the lettering is to go.
Yes, it does have the "Progress" logo.

Thank you for helping.
Don Worthy


Scott Pitzer <scottp459@earthlink.net> wrote:
Don,
I hope your friend is going to buy you a bottle of something... such as asprin!
C&O had a handful of aluminum box cars, but they've got nothing to do with this auto car kit... maybe he means for you to use the diagram as a guide for layout of the WHITE lettering on your box car. (Does that diagram have the Progress logo or not?)
The car shouldn't have a NEW date of 7-48 but it can have that as a reweighing date... there is a listing of abbreviations for reweighing locations in the Files section.
In 1948 black ends and roofs were a sometimes thing on C&O cars... becoming less common. I believe black doors would be extremely rare.
Scott Pitzer
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-----Original Message-----
From: Don Worthy <don_worthy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Jan 13, 2006 5:09 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: C&O Auto Box car

Yes Ben, I mis read his orginal letter. The car number is to be "# 9742" and a "new date of 7-48". The box has #6770 but, doesn't have the instruction sheet but, does have decals.
I thought, that I was to use a Champ decal but, yesterday I received a decal "diagram" sheet. He has a check by one of the drawings labeled HB-114 and HD-12. Under the side drawing of the car has "Entire car painted Aluminum. Black trucks and underbody. All lettering Black". This is what I "really" question.
The picture on the box is b&w and looks all one color but, I wouldn't think it to be "silver".
Thanks guys and sorry I've mis read his note.

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Don Worthy asked:
"Guys do any of you know of a photo of a C&O 40' auto-box car that I
could look at?"

The July/August 2005 issue of the C&OHS magazine "C&O History" has a
9-page article on the 9500-9599 series cars by Al Kresse with 8
photos of these cars. Additionally, the March 2005 issue has an
article on building the Funaro kit for this prototype. The modeling
article is well done with one notable exception - to save time on
building a second model, the author chose to replace the kit
underframe with a Central Valley stockcar underframe, which has
incorrect crossmembers, underframe details, and most noticeably, the
kingpin-to-striker distance.


"I'm building a F&C kit for a friend but, I do not know any thing
about the C&O painting and lettering for these cars. He wants it
numbered 44357 and has just sent a Champ decal set. Champ's
information has several different color schemes."

Where is your friend getting this information? 44357 is a bogus
number for the Funaro kit. I couldn't find any evidence of
renumberings. Which Champ set did he send you?


"Would this car have black ends, doors and roof?"

The only color photo that I could turn up was on the cover of the
July/August 2005 C&O History magazine. It's dated 1958. The doors
are NOT black; the roof is dark but appears to be grimy vice painted
black; the ends are impossible to tell as they are in shadow. The
black and white photos do NOT appear to show black ends or doors.


Ben Hom






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Re: C&O Auto Box car

Scott Pitzer
 

Don,
I hope your friend is going to buy you a bottle of something... such as asprin!
C&O had a handful of aluminum box cars, but they've got nothing to do with this auto car kit... maybe he means for you to use the diagram as a guide for layout of the WHITE lettering on your box car. (Does that diagram have the Progress logo or not?)
The car shouldn't have a NEW date of 7-48 but it can have that as a reweighing date... there is a listing of abbreviations for reweighing locations in the Files section.
In 1948 black ends and roofs were a sometimes thing on C&O cars... becoming less common. I believe black doors would be extremely rare.
Scott Pitzer
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-----Original Message-----
From: Don Worthy <don_worthy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Jan 13, 2006 5:09 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: C&O Auto Box car

Yes Ben, I mis read his orginal letter. The car number is to be "# 9742" and a "new date of 7-48". The box has #6770 but, doesn't have the instruction sheet but, does have decals.
I thought, that I was to use a Champ decal but, yesterday I received a decal "diagram" sheet. He has a check by one of the drawings labeled HB-114 and HD-12. Under the side drawing of the car has "Entire car painted Aluminum. Black trucks and underbody. All lettering Black". This is what I "really" question.
The picture on the box is b&w and looks all one color but, I wouldn't think it to be "silver".
Thanks guys and sorry I've mis read his note.

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Don Worthy asked:
"Guys do any of you know of a photo of a C&O 40' auto-box car that I
could look at?"

The July/August 2005 issue of the C&OHS magazine "C&O History" has a
9-page article on the 9500-9599 series cars by Al Kresse with 8
photos of these cars. Additionally, the March 2005 issue has an
article on building the Funaro kit for this prototype. The modeling
article is well done with one notable exception - to save time on
building a second model, the author chose to replace the kit
underframe with a Central Valley stockcar underframe, which has
incorrect crossmembers, underframe details, and most noticeably, the
kingpin-to-striker distance.


"I'm building a F&C kit for a friend but, I do not know any thing
about the C&O painting and lettering for these cars. He wants it
numbered 44357 and has just sent a Champ decal set. Champ's
information has several different color schemes."

Where is your friend getting this information? 44357 is a bogus
number for the Funaro kit. I couldn't find any evidence of
renumberings. Which Champ set did he send you?


"Would this car have black ends, doors and roof?"

The only color photo that I could turn up was on the cover of the
July/August 2005 C&O History magazine. It's dated 1958. The doors
are NOT black; the roof is dark but appears to be grimy vice painted
black; the ends are impossible to tell as they are in shadow. The
black and white photos do NOT appear to show black ends or doors.


Ben Hom






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Re: C&O Auto Box car

Don Worthy
 

Yes Ben, I mis read his orginal letter. The car number is to be "# 9742" and a "new date of 7-48". The box has #6770 but, doesn't have the instruction sheet but, does have decals.
I thought, that I was to use a Champ decal but, yesterday I received a decal "diagram" sheet. He has a check by one of the drawings labeled HB-114 and HD-12. Under the side drawing of the car has "Entire car painted Aluminum. Black trucks and underbody. All lettering Black". This is what I "really" question.
The picture on the box is b&w and looks all one color but, I wouldn't think it to be "silver".
Thanks guys and sorry I've mis read his note.

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Don Worthy asked:
"Guys do any of you know of a photo of a C&O 40' auto-box car that I
could look at?"

The July/August 2005 issue of the C&OHS magazine "C&O History" has a
9-page article on the 9500-9599 series cars by Al Kresse with 8
photos of these cars. Additionally, the March 2005 issue has an
article on building the Funaro kit for this prototype. The modeling
article is well done with one notable exception - to save time on
building a second model, the author chose to replace the kit
underframe with a Central Valley stockcar underframe, which has
incorrect crossmembers, underframe details, and most noticeably, the
kingpin-to-striker distance.


"I'm building a F&C kit for a friend but, I do not know any thing
about the C&O painting and lettering for these cars. He wants it
numbered 44357 and has just sent a Champ decal set. Champ's
information has several different color schemes."

Where is your friend getting this information? 44357 is a bogus
number for the Funaro kit. I couldn't find any evidence of
renumberings. Which Champ set did he send you?


"Would this car have black ends, doors and roof?"

The only color photo that I could turn up was on the cover of the
July/August 2005 C&O History magazine. It's dated 1958. The doors
are NOT black; the roof is dark but appears to be grimy vice painted
black; the ends are impossible to tell as they are in shadow. The
black and white photos do NOT appear to show black ends or doors.


Ben Hom






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Baldwin 4-6-0 "Ten Wheeler".

Arnold van Heyst
 

Sirs,

Bachmann has released a Baldwin 4-6-0 "Ten Wheeler" steamloco.
http://www.liliput.de/artikelausgabe.php?a_id=456&vzaus=bachmann_spectrum_h0
Is the U.P. version correct?
Till what year did they used this type in this version?

For you all a great 2006,

Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.


Re: C&O Auto Box car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Don Worthy asked:
"Guys do any of you know of a photo of a C&O 40' auto-box car that I
could look at?"

The July/August 2005 issue of the C&OHS magazine "C&O History" has a
9-page article on the 9500-9599 series cars by Al Kresse with 8
photos of these cars. Additionally, the March 2005 issue has an
article on building the Funaro kit for this prototype. The modeling
article is well done with one notable exception - to save time on
building a second model, the author chose to replace the kit
underframe with a Central Valley stockcar underframe, which has
incorrect crossmembers, underframe details, and most noticeably, the
kingpin-to-striker distance.


"I'm building a F&C kit for a friend but, I do not know any thing
about the C&O painting and lettering for these cars. He wants it
numbered 44357 and has just sent a Champ decal set. Champ's
information has several different color schemes."

Where is your friend getting this information? 44357 is a bogus
number for the Funaro kit. I couldn't find any evidence of
renumberings. Which Champ set did he send you?


"Would this car have black ends, doors and roof?"

The only color photo that I could turn up was on the cover of the
July/August 2005 C&O History magazine. It's dated 1958. The doors
are NOT black; the roof is dark but appears to be grimy vice painted
black; the ends are impossible to tell as they are in shadow. The
black and white photos do NOT appear to show black ends or doors.


Ben Hom


Re: C&O Auto Box car

S. Busch <SCSBusch@...>
 

Don Worthy asked:

Guys do any of you know of a photo of a C&O 40' auto-box car that I
could look at?
I'm building a F&C kit for a friend but, I do not know any thing about
the C&O painting and lettering for these cars. He wants it numbered
44357 and has just sent a Champ decal set. Champs information has
several different color schemes.

Don, just which F&C stock number car is this? The F&C 40' auto-box which I am familiar with (Stock # 6670) comes with C&O decals and a photo of the car prior to the C&O donut style monogram.

If that is the F&C car, then it should be in the number series 9500 through 9999; I think that the car numbered 44357 was a 50 ton gondola. Also, drawings and photos of the car were in Mainline Modeler June, 1984. Car was all the same color overall, sides, doors, roof and ends.

Steve Busch
Duncan, SC


Re: C&O Auto Box car

Don Worthy
 

Thank you so much, Tony. Yes, I've had too many irons in the fire. I had "waybills" on the brain and could not think of "Route".
Now, I've got to find a copy of RMC and in my area of Georgia, that's not going to be easy.
Thanks again
Don Worthy

Tony Thompson <thompsonmarytony@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Don Worthy wrote:
Also, does anyone know of a source for HO scale waybills? I've seen
several models with this detail added. What information would it have?
Probably you mean placards or route cards, not waybills (they
traveled in the caboose). The lettering is so small on most of them
that it's not readable in HO scale, but there have been commercial ones
with legends like "UNLOAD OTHER SIDE," and similar wordings which are
large on prototype placards. Route cards are very small.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Re: End info needed

Rich Yoder
 

HI Dennis,
Please contact me off the list.
I'm interested in this car.
Sincerely, Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
www.richyodermodels.com
610-678-2834 after 6:00 pm est. until 10:00pm

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:46 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] End info needed

List,

I've uploaded a photo of the Accurail research team gathering data on a
Soo
Line gondola car to the STFPH list at :-)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/SOO64341.jpg

Seriously, does anyone have any information on the ends used on these
cars?
Maker? Trade name? Acceptable descriptive name? Would "spiral rib end"
do
the trick?

Also, does anyone happen to have a photo of the B end of one of these
Soo
Line cars? We have no idea what the hand brake looks like.

And no, this is not for the future Accurail 41' gondola car, but for a
freight car book the Soo Line Historical & Techynical Society is working
on.


Dennis Storzek
Big Rock, IL


Re: white, wood MDT reefer

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

I thought I had all of Keith Sirman's MDT photos and I don't have any of a 1947 wood car; too bad he's not on this list.


Roger Hinman

e

On Jan 12, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Frederick Freitas wrote:

Ed & List,


Last evening I read the current Keystone, and there is a photo of a
DICX dry ice car painted white [wood] with 7/8 ends taken in 1957. Could these cars be the cause for some confusion with the MDT group?

Fred Freitas

ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo.com> wrote:
Last Friday, in message 49903, I asked about white, wood MDT reefers
post WWII.

I guess a lot of dudes on this list were traveling or posing in their
speedos in Florida.

Ray Breyer e-mailed me a sharp B&W picture of MDT 20671 with a 1941
date on the car itself. The sides are very light in color without the
customary red and blue stripes at the bottom of the car.

I also mentioned that Keith Sirman lists a "white" wood MDT reefer
painted at the East Rochester MDT shops in 1947. Anyone see that photo?
Was this a one of a kind?

Ed








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Re: C&O Auto Box car

Tony Thompson
 

Don Worthy wrote:
Also, does anyone know of a source for HO scale waybills? I've seen
several models with this detail added. What information would it have?
Probably you mean placards or route cards, not waybills (they traveled in the caboose). The lettering is so small on most of them that it's not readable in HO scale, but there have been commercial ones with legends like "UNLOAD OTHER SIDE," and similar wordings which are large on prototype placards. Route cards are very small.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


C&O Auto Box car

Don Worthy
 

Guys do any of you know of a photo of a C&O 40' auto-box car that I
could look at?
I'm building a F&C kit for a friend but, I do not know any thing about
the C&O painting and lettering for these cars. He wants it numbered
44357 and has just sent a Champ decal set. Champs information has
several different color schemes.

Would this car have black ends, doors and roof?

Can someone help?

Also, does anyone know of a source for HO scale waybills? I've seen
several models with this detail added. What information would it have?

Thanks for any help
Don W


Re: Update our KCS car and decals!

armprem
 

Not me.I couldn't get my hands on any of the tools. :>).Armand premo

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From: "Tony Thompson" <thompsonmarytony@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Update our KCS car and decals!


Tim O'Connor wrote:
What was the KCS car that was kitbashed? Is this the single door
version
of the automobile box car, or something else? This may be something I'd
be interested in trying on my own, if it's not too daunting.
Oh, Tim, terribly daunting, terribly daunting. Some people had it
partly done during the clinic.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: Update our KCS car and decals!

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
What was the KCS car that was kitbashed? Is this the single door version
of the automobile box car, or something else? This may be something I'd
be interested in trying on my own, if it's not too daunting.
Oh, Tim, terribly daunting, terribly daunting. Some people had it partly done during the clinic.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Update our KCS car and decals!

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"What was the KCS car that was kitbashed? Is this the single door
version of the automobile box car, or something else?"

KCS 15500-15599, 92 cars, rebuilt from USRA DS boxcars in 1949.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/kcs/kcs15599am.jpg

See the April 1992 Mainline Modeler for plans and photos.


Ben Hom


Re: Update our KCS car and decals!

Tim O'Connor
 

Greg

What was the KCS car that was kitbashed? Is this the single door version
of the automobile box car, or something else? This may be something I'd
be interested in trying on my own, if it's not too daunting.

Tim O'Connor

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