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Re: An interesting train

Tim O'Connor
 

Mike,

Processed/prepared meats could be carried in almost any reefer,
unlike the whole carcasses which needed to be hung from meat hooks.

Tim O'Connor

The train contains 3 PFE reefers, one carrying meat [ an R-40-23
number 6764 { is this surprising, Tony? }]


Re: ATSF Wood Refrigerator Cars

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

• The composite wood-sheathed reefers built in the late 1920s to
a refrigerator car adaptation of the ARA standard box car design,
classes Rr-5 through Rr-9 and Rr-11, lasted with little attrition
until 1950, when they started to be rebuilt into steel cars of
classes Rr-50, Rr-51, and Rr-53. All were gone by 1953. (They
can be modeled with Sunshine resin kits.)
Those would be Martin's discontinued kits 16.1 (flat metal roof) and
16.2 (panel roof). Some claim those were the best kits Sunshine ever
did, and I can't disagree. I asked Martin about re-running them, even
offered to cast one-piece bodies for him, but he didn't seem all that
interested. There hasn't been an equivalent model in plastic, so I
assume they were discontinued because Martin ran out of a critical OEM
part, like decals.

Tom Madden


Re: [FC] Salamanca - Erie - EL

Joseph Onorato <joseph.onorato@...>
 

And one, possibly both, of the gons are marked as scrap. Notice the lack of floor over one fo the trucks on the gon on the right.

JMO

At 11:10 PM 1/16/2006, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

A friend forwarded this url:

http://wnyrails.railfan.net/images/erie_sal_turntable_1971.jpg

With the admonition:
Beware that it's 1.7MB, so it could take a while on a dial-up connection.

And it is, but fortunately, I'm not on dial-up. Still took a couple of minutes.

For the Steam Era folks, there's an image of one steam era car, plus the turntable the steam beasts
needed.

But it's a pretty interesting high-rez aerial view of part of a yard. Lots of roofs and insides of
gons and hoppers.

SGL


Re: An interesting train

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Mike Brock wrote:

(snip)

The train contains 3 PFE reefers, one carrying meat [ an R-40-23 number 6764
{ is this surprising, Tony? }], one carrying merchandise [ huh? car # 60699
R-30/40-18 ] and #95482 R-30/40-9 carrying Gware or Gwarl.
Glassware? Fraley used this abbreviation elsewhere in his 2,791 car report.

Tim Gilbert


Re: 50' double door box

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Doug,

Here are a few at my web site: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/freight.html . You can also find comments on specific models for the WP and SN at: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/wp.html .

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

dphobbyman wrote:

Hi all-can I get some more of your great help? I'm looking for
pictures of 50' double door steel box cars used by a Western line,
like AT&SF, SP, WP, etc. Thanks, Doug.


USRA panel side hoppers in the late 50's

Brett Whelan
 

I'm modeling 1958 and would like to model a USRA panel
side hopper.

I haven't been able find any photographic evidence
that any USRA (30'6"inside length) panel side cars
existed this late.

Can anyone confirm this is the case? or when the last
of these cars were in service?

Brett Whelan
Australia.

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Re: IC GS Gons, 94128

Ed Hawkins
 

On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 06:49 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

I am building a Red caboose model of IC GS gon, number 94218.  This
kit has
a BLT date of 11-53.  The kit comes with Accurail AAR Cast Steel
trucks, but
with the postwar build date I am thinking these cars may have sported
postwar barber S-2's or ACF A3's. Therefore, any definitive truck help
is
appreciated.
Brian,
The IC freight car diagram lists series 94000-95499 as being built 1953
by IC at their shops in Centralia, Illinois. Of the 1,500 cars, 900 had
A-3 Ride-Control trucks and 600 had Barber S-2 trucks. The diagram
doesn't state the car number assignments. A photo of 94100 is shown in
the IC Diamond Issue 30-31 and it has S-2 trucks.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


NYC USRA twin hopper info needed

ihb080u4a
 

hi guys- I have another USRA twin hopper query regarding NYC class H9
hoppers. What type(s) of handbrakes and trucks are appropriate for
these cars in the late 1940's- early 1950's? thanks, Mike Zwicke


Re: Cocoa Beach

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

After arriving home from Florida about seven hours ago, this is a
belated thank you to Mike, Jeff and the rest of their gang for another
great time at Cocoa Beach. It was a very enjoyable meet with alot of
good clinics, a great display room, great accommodations, good food and
drink, and best of all, a chance to mingle and visit with the usual
suspects, my favorite part. And the weather was just cool enough to
keep anyone from prancing on the beach in their "lardo's". My wife is
already making plans to go next year and says there is a good chance
that I will get to go along again.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: An interesting train

Tony Thompson
 

Mike Brock wrote:
How would that be
so different from that of Rock Springs or Utah coal? Or...was it some form
of metallurgical coal from further east?
From what a metallurgist at Kaiser in Fontana once told me, one should never confuse Utah/Colorado coal with "real" metallurgical coal--for example from West Virginia. But in fact, "met" coal IIRC just means low sulfur, low ash and might not always even be good coking coal. This, BTW, should not be confused with "steam coal," another beast altogether.

The train contains 3 PFE reefers, one carrying meat [ an R-40-23 number 6764
{ is this surprising, Tony? }], one carrying merchandise [ huh? car # 60699
R-30/40-18 ]
Almost certainly cut meat, as PFE owned very few cars (and no R-50-23s) equipped for meat hooks. The merchandise car is doubtless a dry car being used as an insulated box car, not uncommon in that era.

To cap off this
interesting train is an ATSF flat car carrying tractors. Regretfully there
is no mention of creasote...one way or another.
Judging by Richard's and other evidence, ATSF may have been one of the few roads to creosote at least some of its flat car decks, so maybe there IS some mention after all . . .

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: An interesting train

ATSF1226
 

Mike,
There was alot of metallurgical grade coal mined in Arkansas.
Between Little Rock and Fort Smith on the MP, South of Fort Smith on
the Frisco and some in eastern Okla. Since MKT served the area
around Fort Smith they were probably in on the action as well. This
grade of coal was so much in demand it was even shipped to Europe on
special orders.

George A. Walls












Of even more curiosity is the fact that there
are 7 cars carrying coal west to SLC, 3 carrying coke, and all but
one are
gons from such RRs as MP, MK&T, L&N, DLW, N&W, SLSF, and NYC. Given
that MP
and the "eastern" RR cars would have had access to metallurgical
coal, I'm
curious about the MK&T car and its source of coal. In fact, a better
question might be...What coal? That of Southern Illinois? How would
that be
so different from that of Rock Springs or Utah coal? Or...was it
some form
of metallurgical coal from further east? The lone hopper is a 2 bay
MP car.


Freight Car Flooring

oklacnw@...
 

For what it's worth: I worked in road construction in Iowa in 1945-50, and I do not recall any gondolas/flat cars with treated wood decking. However, there were some that had a coating of some sort underneath, but not all. Labor was cheap, materials were not, so one of my jobs off and on was to sweep the sand or gravel, as the case may be, so that the crane operator could pick up all in the drag lines bucket/clam shell. Some of the gondolas would have a metal plate covering holes in the decking rather than being repaired with wood, a temporary repair until went to shop?
Al

Al Erdmann


Re: white wood MDT reefer

Ron Morse <ronstrainshop@...>
 

Thank you Roger.
Ron Morse


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "nerh2001" <rhinman@r...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Morse" <ronstrainshop@m...>
wrote:
Perhaps I didn't understand your question completely. The white
cars
with red and blue stripes were lettered with NYC Lines herald from
1913 when ownership was transferred from MDT until the late
1920s,possibly a few last into the early 1930s.

This starts another thread of photo looking(first thread is to
identify the latest date a wood car is seen in white paint, NYCHS
CH
2Q 1990 has a picutre of MDT 17508 in May 1942, interesting enough
in
the same photo and consist are two other wood cars in yelloworange;
and there is NO NYC herald.)
Second thread then is to identify latest date of a wood car seen
with
a NYC herald; from the same issue, there is a photo of MDT 155965
in
Oct 1928; this is probably the border line since Lot 690
cars(3000-3499) which started deliveries in Sep 1928 came off the
line
in white with no NYC herald. I have a Bill Raia photo of MDT 146907
repainted in Sep 1935 and there is no herald.

My question of a few weeks ago was and still is: how late were
the
NYC-MDT wood cars run in the white with the red and blue stripes.
Not just MDT but NYC-MDT.
Ron Morse
NYC/C&O O scale in Springfield,MO





--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote:


On Friday, January 6, 2006, at 01:02 PM, ed_mines wrote:

Keith Sirman lists a white wooden MDT reefer with the photo
taken in
1947 at East Rochester. That was a repanint, right?

Anyone have a print. Was this a one of a kind?
Ed,
Regarding the thread on MDT's white reefers constructed with
wood
sides, today I obtained prints of MDT 6489 and 22223, both of
which had
tongue & groove sheathing and white sides with two stripes at
the
bottom. MDT 6489 has steel 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends and is shown
with
a NEW
1-37 date. MDT 22223, taken 1937 at San Francisco, has wood
ends
and
fish-belly center sill. It was repainted E.R. 12-36 (I cannot
find
a
build date). Both of these images show cars right out of the
paint
shop
and come from the Arnold Menke collection. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: IC GS Gons, 94128

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Thanks Ed, I have an extra pair of Barber S-2 so I will use those.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] IC GS Gons, 94128



On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 06:49 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

I am building a Red caboose model of IC GS gon, number 94218. This
kit has
a BLT date of 11-53. The kit comes with Accurail AAR Cast Steel
trucks, but
with the postwar build date I am thinking these cars may have sported
postwar barber S-2's or ACF A3's. Therefore, any definitive truck help
is
appreciated.
Brian,
The IC freight car diagram lists series 94000-95499 as being built 1953
by IC at their shops in Centralia, Illinois. Of the 1,500 cars, 900 had
A-3 Ride-Control trucks and 600 had Barber S-2 trucks. The diagram
doesn't state the car number assignments. A photo of 94100 is shown in
the IC Diamond Issue 30-31 and it has S-2 trucks.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins







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Re: An interesting train

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Regretfully there is no mention of creasote...one way or another.

Mike Brock
Interesting typo. I'm sure you meant "Thankfully . .. ."

SGL


Salamanca - Erie - EL

Schuyler Larrabee
 

A friend forwarded this url:

http://wnyrails.railfan.net/images/erie_sal_turntable_1971.jpg

With the admonition:
Beware that it's 1.7MB, so it could take a while on a dial-up connection.

And it is, but fortunately, I'm not on dial-up. Still took a couple of minutes.

For the Steam Era folks, there's an image of one steam era car, plus the turntable the steam beasts
needed.

But it's a pretty interesting high-rez aerial view of part of a yard. Lots of roofs and insides of
gons and hoppers.

SGL


An interesting train

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

While not nearly as interesting as the issue about "to creosote or not to creosote", Tim Gilbert asked me about a car on a UP train on March 13, 1949 traveling from Laramie to Green River as found in my Fraley which Tim now has a copy of. The train...76 cars in length, 4015 tons, was pulled by Big Boy 4018. The car, N&W gondola 100350, is carrying pitch. More interesting, perhaps, is the fact that this train contains no more than 8 UP cars...all box cars. IOW, the train contains 68 cars of RRs other than UP. How many yrs ago did modelers think that trains were made up primarily of home road cars? Of perhaps more interest is the fact that only one SP car can be found in the consist...a box car containing sugar. This is a far cry from the train pulled by Big Boy 4005 as seen in the video, The Big Boy Collection, which has more than 36 SP box cars. Of even more curiosity is the fact that there are 7 cars carrying coal west to SLC, 3 carrying coke, and all but one are gons from such RRs as MP, MK&T, L&N, DLW, N&W, SLSF, and NYC. Given that MP and the "eastern" RR cars would have had access to metallurgical coal, I'm curious about the MK&T car and its source of coal. In fact, a better question might be...What coal? That of Southern Illinois? How would that be so different from that of Rock Springs or Utah coal? Or...was it some form of metallurgical coal from further east? The lone hopper is a 2 bay MP car. The train contains 3 PFE reefers, one carrying meat [ an R-40-23 number 6764 { is this surprising, Tony? }], one carrying merchandise [ huh? car # 60699 R-30/40-18 ] and #95482 R-30/40-9 carrying Gware or Gwarl. Is that some kind of beer? <G> Remember, these cars are westbound. Incidentally, a Frisco box car is present, carrying lumber west to SP tracks in Ogden. This is not unusual as Tony points out in his SP books. At first I thought Fraley might have errored with C&O 15736 carrying a tractor. Upon further review, my ORER shows 15736 specially equipped to carry a Ferguson tractor. To cap off this interesting train is an ATSF flat car carrying tractors. Regretfully there is no mention of creasote...one way or another.

Mike Brock


Re: IC GS Gons, 94128

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J Carlson" <brian@b...> wrote:

I am building a Red caboose model of IC GS gon, number 94218. This
kit has
a BLT date of 11-53. The kit comes with Accurail AAR Cast Steel
trucks, but
with the postwar build date I am thinking these cars may have sported
postwar barber S-2's or ACF A3's. Therefore, any definitive truck
help is
appreciated.

Brian,

IC gons 94000-95499 were built in 1953 at the railroad's Centralia, IL
shop. The diagram sheet describes the trucks as "AAR 50 ton".

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: sunshine kits

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Jack Burgess

Unfortunately, no, Sunshine doesn't have a website. You can
write to them (I'd include a SA Large Envelope
To be clear, a 9x12 envelope would be best.

SGL


Re: sunshine kits

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Fred Mullins asked:
"I have seen some talk about Sunshine kits. But how do I find out
what they carry and how do I order from this company. Do they have a
website?"

Nothing against Fred for asking this question, but people either
have to start checking the group archives or we need to set up an
FAQ page, as we've answered this question time and time again.

The basic facts:

- Sunshine has no website, no e-mail, and no standing catalog. An
all-time list of Sunshine kits is posted in the group files section
under the "Sunshine Kit List" folder and at Ted Culotta's Steam Era
Freight Car website at
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%
20products/sunshine/sunkits122004main.html
The one on the group website has been updated more recently.

- Instead of a standing catalog, Sunshine has a series of flyers
advertising his kits. I recommend you get on his mailing list to
ensure that you get the latest ones, as well as annoucements and
information for the Naperville and Monrovia meets.

- The best place to buy Sunshine kits is at one of his sponsored
Prototype Modeler Meets, either at Naperville or Monrovia. He will
also be at Timonium February 3-4. Otherwise, you must order
direct. Sunshine's mailing address is Sunshine Models, Box 4997,
Springfield, MO 65808-4997. Add $4 for shipping per 5 kits. MO
residents add 6.6% sales tax. Add $15.88 per six kits for shipping
to Canada. Be prepared to wait a significant amount of time (4
weeks - 6 months) if you order direct.

- CAUTION: Sunshine has and will discontinue kits. As a result of
this "scarcity", a secondary market has arisen for Sunshine kits
that sees them going for $75-$90 on eBay, well above his list price
of $35-$40. If you see kits that you want, get your orders in before
they're discontinued. Martin is very good about giving warning on
which kits will be discontinued soon, but if you need a kit that's
already been discontinued, be prepared to pay top dollar unless you
get lucky at a swap meet as Clark Propst posted a few days ago.


Ben Hom

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