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Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Gene Deimling wrote:
"The Komar set in question is not appropriate if you want a pre-1962
slogan scheme. The diagram in my Komar catalog clearly shows the
scheme."

Gene, thanks for the assist. His online listing doesn't have any
diagrams. Can the data for this set be combined with Ted's SAL set to
produce an accurate lettering set?


Ben Hom


Re: Digest Number 2920 (SAL DECALS)

Eugene Deimling <losgatos48@...>
 

24. Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:19:22 -0800 (PST)
The Komar set in question is not appropriate if you want a pre-1962 slogan
scheme. The diagram in my Komar catalog clearly shows the scheme.

Gene Deimling
Los Gatos, CA

Message: 24
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:52:50 -0000
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>
Subject: Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

Mark Heiden asked:
"I'm looking for decals to letter a Seaboard Air Line 40ft PS-1 boxcar
from series SAL 24000-24499, built October, 1948. The cars carried
slogans, 24000-24299 lettered The Route of Courteous Service, and
24300-24499 The Route of the Silver Comet. Would Champ HB-8 be
correct for the as-delivered Courteous Service scheme of cars 24000-
24299? Are there any decals that could be used for the Silver Comet
scheme of cars 24300-24499?"

Greg Komar set HO-64/O-64 is specifically designed for these cars.
They're available as both decals and dry transfers:
http://www.greatdecals.com/GregKomar.htm

I don't have the actual set, but if the diagram in Freight Car
Lettering Plan Book 1 reflects what's in the set, the lettering in the
set is for a Class B-8 10 ft IH 1937 AAR boxcar, not a PS-1.


Ben Hom





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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:56:27 -0500
From: "George Gounley" <gounleys@...>
Subject: Unicel Cars

The recent discussion on the use of preservatives in railroad car
construction caused me to wonder about the final disposition of the Unicel
box cars. Would anyone know?

IIRC, besides the demonstrator, the Army ordered a couple of cars and the
Saudis about 60.


George Gounley
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Re: 8.000/10.000 gallon tank car trucks [Proto 2000].

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Arnold wrote:

I've just saw severall photo's of the 8.000/10.000 gallon tank cars.
The revited type by Proto 2000.
Normal and insulated.
On the photo's you can see that all the trucks of that type is having
2 springs per side on 1 truck.
The insulated types 4!!

But the Proto 2000 is having 3!!!
Is 3 correct?
Can anyone tell me the manufacturer that has the proper type for this
car in the 1947/1960 period?
Arnold, the responses from both Tim O'Connor and Tony Thompson are
essentially correct. There are more springs in a truck than are
visible from the outside of the side frame. North American freight car
trucks typically had either four or five springs per truck, arranged
(looking from the top down):

O O
O O

or

O O
O
O O

Sometimes the center spring, if any, was visible (as modeled on the
Life-Like HO scale AAR trucks); sometimes it was lost in the shadows.

Seventy ton and heavier trucks often had six springs:

O O O
O O O

The trucks with four visible springs were Dalman trucks, which were
widely used in the 1920s and early '30s, before trucks with built-in
snubbers were developed. Dalmans had more and softer springs to
provide a better ride for the same weight-carrying capacity, and their
springs were arranged:

O O O O
O O O O

Eastern Car Works offers rather crude HO scale kits for Dalman trucks
(as well as for seventy ton AAR trucks) which are all we have at
present, but a better Dalman truck is under development by another
manufacturer and should become available later in 2006.

As for the correct trucks on the Life-Like AC&F Type 21 tank cars, it
depends. Many were built with Arch Bar trucks and got some type of
Andrews or ARA/AAR truck later in life. Some, like the Texaco and
General American cars modeled by Life-Like, were delivered with Dalman
two-level trucks. Others got ARA cast steel trucks with spring planks
when new. None were built with, and very few received as replacements,
the self-aligning spring-plankless trucks introduced in the mid-1930s
which are modeled by most manufacturers of HO scale trucks (and which
are often, though incorrectly, called "Bettendorf" trucks). As usual,
you have to consult prototype photos and then find the model trucks
that most closely resemble in type and side frame configuration the
trucks on the prototype you're modeling. No easy answers here.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"Doesn't Greg Komar do a couple of SAL PS-1's?"

Yes. See post #50350.


Ben Hom


Re: Unicel Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

George Gounley wrote:
The recent discussion on the use of preservatives in railroad car construction caused me to wonder about the final disposition of the Unicel box cars. Would anyone know?

IIRC, besides the demonstrator, the Army ordered a couple of cars and the Saudis about 60.
Since the design was never approved for interchange by the AAR, the disposition of the single demonstrator seems somewhat uninteresting--possibly stored at Pressed Steel or scrapped. Did the Army use them overseas or on-base to avoid the interchange problem? (I'm assuming there was minimal interchange by the Saudi cars.)

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Doesn't Greg Komar do a couple of SAL PS-1's?

Tim O.


Unicel Cars

George Gounley <gounleys@...>
 

The recent discussion on the use of preservatives in railroad car construction caused me to wonder about the final disposition of the Unicel box cars. Would anyone know?

IIRC, besides the demonstrator, the Army ordered a couple of cars and the Saudis about 60.


George Gounley
gounleys@...


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Mark Heiden asked:
"I'm looking for decals to letter a Seaboard Air Line 40ft PS-1 boxcar
from series SAL 24000-24499, built October, 1948. The cars carried
slogans, 24000-24299 lettered The Route of Courteous Service, and
24300-24499 The Route of the Silver Comet. Would Champ HB-8 be
correct for the as-delivered Courteous Service scheme of cars 24000-
24299? Are there any decals that could be used for the Silver Comet
scheme of cars 24300-24499?"

Greg Komar set HO-64/O-64 is specifically designed for these cars.
They're available as both decals and dry transfers:
http://www.greatdecals.com/GregKomar.htm

I don't have the actual set, but if the diagram in Freight Car
Lettering Plan Book 1 reflects what's in the set, the lettering in the
set is for a Class B-8 10 ft IH 1937 AAR boxcar, not a PS-1.


Ben Hom


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

golden1014
 

Mark Heiden wrote: I'm looking for decals to letter a
Seaboard Air Line 40ft PS-1 boxcar from series SAL
24000-24499, built October, 1948. The cars carried
slogans, 24000-24299 lettered The Route of Courteous
Service, and 24300-24499 The Route of the Silver
Comet. Would Champ HB-8 be correct for the
as-delivered Courteous Service scheme of cars
24000-24299? Are there any decals that could be used
for the Silver Comet scheme of cars 24300-24499?

Hi Mark,

I strongly recommend you use the Speedwitch D-103
decal set. Ted Culotta made the Speedwitch set from
actual Seaboard photos and drawings and it is far
ahead of the Champ set in accuracy.

The Speedwitch D-103 set isn't made for the B-10 cars
so you'll have to do a bit of minor splicing to get
the right dimensional data and numbers, but it's worth
it the trouble. The Champ HB-8 set is made for the B-8
and B-9 cars. The Speedwitch set doesn't include a
Silver Comet slogan or Silver Star slogan, but I
wouldn't recommend mixing the Champ and Speedwitch
decal sets because they use different shades of white
that will yield bad results.

For the record, you can indeed use the Champ set for
these cars and it will make a fine-looking model. The
advantage to using the Champ set is that they make
Comet and Star slogans, but you'll have the same some
cutting and trimming issues that you'd have using the
Speedwitch set.

Don't forget that all the cars delivred in the first
three lots (24000-25499) were delivered with car
cement roofs.

John



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B&O 269284

Robert Daniels
 

I have a photo of B&O 269284, an M-26A, dating to the early 60's. In the photo the car has what appears to be a replacement door of Superior type with six panels. Does anyone know approximately when the original Creco doors on M-26A's were replaced with this type?

Thanks.

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Re: sunshine kits

Tim O'Connor
 

my kits always come in a box about the size of a small refrigerator...

:-)

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Yea, those free Priority Mail boxes from the Post Office can sure run
up the bill.

Jerry Glow



You assume that the free boxes are being used. In which case, you will need
a considerable amount of packing material for one Sunshine kit box. They
don't fit in the video box so you need to use a 1097 or similar size box which
is greatly oversized. The alternative is to buy appropriate size boxes.

Rich Orr


Re: C&WC pulpwood racks

Shawn Beckert
 

Fred,

The April, 1959 ORER lists these cars as "Pulpwood, Steel Underframe"
with a total of 62 cars in series 3950-4024. 100 more are listed as
"Pulpwood, All Steel" in series 4100-4199.

Hope this helps,

Shawn Beckert

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Subject: [STMFC] C&WC pulpwood racks


Folks,
I saw a photo of a C&WC pulpwood rack #3955 tonight on the ACL/SAL
website.
Can anyone tell me how many of these type racks they had like car #3955?
Also how did they make these cars? Where they cut down from gons or
did they use old flats? Also anyone know where I can get more photos
of C&WC frt cars?
Thanks
Fred Mullins







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Re: sunshine kits

Paul & Theri Koehler <buygone@...>
 

ALL:



In my conversation today with Patricia Lofton, she stated at this time there
will be no change in shipping prices.



Paul C. Koehler



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I think we should be clear. The shipping charge has been $4 for
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C&WC pulpwood racks

Fred Mullins
 

Folks,
I saw a photo of a C&WC pulpwood rack #3955 tonight on the ACL/SAL
website.
Can anyone tell me how many of these type racks they had like car #3955?
Also how did they make these cars? Where they cut down from gons or
did they use old flats? Also anyone know where I can get more photos
of C&WC frt cars?
Thanks
Fred Mullins


Re: 8.000/10.000 gallon tank car trucks [Proto 2000].

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Arnold, American prototype freight cars trucks use spring "packages"
that contain a lot more than 2 or 3 or 4 springs... They usually are
arranged in 3 rows, like 2 x 3 x 2 or other arrangements. Model trucks
rarely if ever try to show this.
Not only that, there are slender springs inside EACH of those big outer springs that you can easily see. That's another reason the "see-through" type of "working" springs in HO trucks are so severely bogus.

Model manufacturers usually punt on trucks.
Sadly true, though gradually improving. And we now have at least a few HO trucks based on ACTUAL prototypes. The vesties must be baffled. "Ain't they all kinda Bettendorf??" or something similar is heard . . .

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: 8.000/10.000 gallon tank car trucks [Proto 2000].

Tim O'Connor
 

Arnold, American prototype freight cars trucks use spring "packages"
that contain a lot more than 2 or 3 or 4 springs... They usually are
arranged in 3 rows, like 2 x 3 x 2 or other arrangements. Model trucks
rarely if ever try to show this. Some brass freight car trucks (e.g. W&R)
have experimented with up to 5 coil springs on each side, 10 per truck.

As far as I know the Proto 2000 steam era freight cars have all used
the same "AAR double truss, plankless" design which someone or other
identified as a Scullin sideframe design. Proto also makes a National
Type B truck but I haven't seen it offered with any of the models.

Model manufacturers usually punt on trucks. That's a U.S. expression
for "just kick the ball downfield and hope something good happens".
What it means for prototype modelers is that most models do not come
with the correct trucks. This can only be determined by consulting RR
freight car records, and/or photographs. A secondary problem is that
there are no available models of most freight car trucks in HO (or in
other scales for that matter). A further problem is that many of the
models that do exist are very poorly done. So... punt!

Tim O'Connor


ADMIN: Creosote and wood preservatives

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

While things have quited down somewhat, I guess it's time to terminate the discussions about the chemical makeup of creosote and various other wood preservatives.

OTOH, the color of flat car flooring is entirely within the scope of this group. Someone noted that the only thing that really matters is...what should the appearance be...not what is the actual substance used...or not used. While that conclusion is worthy, it is not entirely correct. The group's charter does include the study of the prototype including such things as the types of materials used in car construction. Nevertheless, we do seem to have explored this subject rather thoroughly...at least to the degree of the analysis of chemical preservatives.

I will add, though, that I plan to pursue color photographs of flat car decks, I will point them out and will be interested in examples that other members find. I would, however, caution the members that we're only interested in photos of cars in our time period.

Thanks.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: sunshine kits

Tim O'Connor
 

I think we should be clear. The shipping charge has been $4 for
up to 5 kits... or $20 for 25 kits, which is what I've always done! :-)

Tim "pssst, buddy wanna buy some resin freight cars" O'Connor


Re: sunshine kits

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Thank you Paul.

Jim Hayes

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Jim:

I just got off the phone with Patricia Lofton, at present time they
are staying with the $4.00 kit shipping charge.

Paul C. Koehler


Re: sunshine kits

Paul C. Koehler <buygone@...>
 

Jim:

I just got off the phone with Patricia Lofton, at present time they
are staying with the $4.00 kit shipping charge.

Paul C. Koehler

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<jimandlisa97225@v...> wrote:

I have finally gotten off my fundament and sent an updated copy my
Sunshine
All Time list to Rob at the Steam Freight Cars site. It should be
available
there soon. When it does, I intend to delete the version in the
STMFC Files
area.

Joseph, I appreciate your note of the 40.xx kits being
discontinued. I need
that kind of help and support to keep up to date. I work from a
kit list and
info from my annual trip to Naperville. In between I depend on all
of you
for info. If anyone else is aware of changes in the availability
of Sunshine
kits, please let me know. Also if you spot any errors in my list,
please
tell me. With no Sunshine website, my list seems to be the next
best for
those wanting to know what's available. I want to keep it
accurate. Thank
you to all who help.

And, on the subject of changes, a recent New Products listing in a
magazine
said shipping charges were $5, not the $4 we're used to. Does
anyone know if
that's right?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

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