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Unicel Cars

George Gounley <gounleys@...>
 

The recent discussion on the use of preservatives in railroad car construction caused me to wonder about the final disposition of the Unicel box cars. Would anyone know?

IIRC, besides the demonstrator, the Army ordered a couple of cars and the Saudis about 60.


George Gounley
gounleys@earthlink.net


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Mark Heiden asked:
"I'm looking for decals to letter a Seaboard Air Line 40ft PS-1 boxcar
from series SAL 24000-24499, built October, 1948. The cars carried
slogans, 24000-24299 lettered The Route of Courteous Service, and
24300-24499 The Route of the Silver Comet. Would Champ HB-8 be
correct for the as-delivered Courteous Service scheme of cars 24000-
24299? Are there any decals that could be used for the Silver Comet
scheme of cars 24300-24499?"

Greg Komar set HO-64/O-64 is specifically designed for these cars.
They're available as both decals and dry transfers:
http://www.greatdecals.com/GregKomar.htm

I don't have the actual set, but if the diagram in Freight Car
Lettering Plan Book 1 reflects what's in the set, the lettering in the
set is for a Class B-8 10 ft IH 1937 AAR boxcar, not a PS-1.


Ben Hom


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

golden1014
 

Mark Heiden wrote: I'm looking for decals to letter a
Seaboard Air Line 40ft PS-1 boxcar from series SAL
24000-24499, built October, 1948. The cars carried
slogans, 24000-24299 lettered The Route of Courteous
Service, and 24300-24499 The Route of the Silver
Comet. Would Champ HB-8 be correct for the
as-delivered Courteous Service scheme of cars
24000-24299? Are there any decals that could be used
for the Silver Comet scheme of cars 24300-24499?

Hi Mark,

I strongly recommend you use the Speedwitch D-103
decal set. Ted Culotta made the Speedwitch set from
actual Seaboard photos and drawings and it is far
ahead of the Champ set in accuracy.

The Speedwitch D-103 set isn't made for the B-10 cars
so you'll have to do a bit of minor splicing to get
the right dimensional data and numbers, but it's worth
it the trouble. The Champ HB-8 set is made for the B-8
and B-9 cars. The Speedwitch set doesn't include a
Silver Comet slogan or Silver Star slogan, but I
wouldn't recommend mixing the Champ and Speedwitch
decal sets because they use different shades of white
that will yield bad results.

For the record, you can indeed use the Champ set for
these cars and it will make a fine-looking model. The
advantage to using the Champ set is that they make
Comet and Star slogans, but you'll have the same some
cutting and trimming issues that you'd have using the
Speedwitch set.

Don't forget that all the cars delivred in the first
three lots (24000-25499) were delivered with car
cement roofs.

John



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B&O 269284

Robert Daniels
 

I have a photo of B&O 269284, an M-26A, dating to the early 60's. In the photo the car has what appears to be a replacement door of Superior type with six panels. Does anyone know approximately when the original Creco doors on M-26A's were replaced with this type?

Thanks.

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New York, NY


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Re: sunshine kits

Tim O'Connor
 

my kits always come in a box about the size of a small refrigerator...

:-)

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In a message dated 1/19/2006 1:09:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jerryglow@comcast.net writes:

Yea, those free Priority Mail boxes from the Post Office can sure run
up the bill.

Jerry Glow



You assume that the free boxes are being used. In which case, you will need
a considerable amount of packing material for one Sunshine kit box. They
don't fit in the video box so you need to use a 1097 or similar size box which
is greatly oversized. The alternative is to buy appropriate size boxes.

Rich Orr


Re: C&WC pulpwood racks

Shawn Beckert
 

Fred,

The April, 1959 ORER lists these cars as "Pulpwood, Steel Underframe"
with a total of 62 cars in series 3950-4024. 100 more are listed as
"Pulpwood, All Steel" in series 4100-4199.

Hope this helps,

Shawn Beckert

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Fred Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:22 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] C&WC pulpwood racks


Folks,
I saw a photo of a C&WC pulpwood rack #3955 tonight on the ACL/SAL
website.
Can anyone tell me how many of these type racks they had like car #3955?
Also how did they make these cars? Where they cut down from gons or
did they use old flats? Also anyone know where I can get more photos
of C&WC frt cars?
Thanks
Fred Mullins







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Re: sunshine kits

Paul & Theri Koehler <buygone@...>
 

ALL:



In my conversation today with Patricia Lofton, she stated at this time there
will be no change in shipping prices.



Paul C. Koehler



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Subject: [STMFC] Re: sunshine kits



I think we should be clear. The shipping charge has been $4 for
up to 5 kits... or $20 for 25 kits, which is what I've always done! :-)

Tim "pssst, buddy wanna buy some resin freight cars" O'Connor



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C&WC pulpwood racks

Fred Mullins
 

Folks,
I saw a photo of a C&WC pulpwood rack #3955 tonight on the ACL/SAL
website.
Can anyone tell me how many of these type racks they had like car #3955?
Also how did they make these cars? Where they cut down from gons or
did they use old flats? Also anyone know where I can get more photos
of C&WC frt cars?
Thanks
Fred Mullins


Re: 8.000/10.000 gallon tank car trucks [Proto 2000].

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Arnold, American prototype freight cars trucks use spring "packages"
that contain a lot more than 2 or 3 or 4 springs... They usually are
arranged in 3 rows, like 2 x 3 x 2 or other arrangements. Model trucks
rarely if ever try to show this.
Not only that, there are slender springs inside EACH of those big outer springs that you can easily see. That's another reason the "see-through" type of "working" springs in HO trucks are so severely bogus.

Model manufacturers usually punt on trucks.
Sadly true, though gradually improving. And we now have at least a few HO trucks based on ACTUAL prototypes. The vesties must be baffled. "Ain't they all kinda Bettendorf??" or something similar is heard . . .

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 8.000/10.000 gallon tank car trucks [Proto 2000].

Tim O'Connor
 

Arnold, American prototype freight cars trucks use spring "packages"
that contain a lot more than 2 or 3 or 4 springs... They usually are
arranged in 3 rows, like 2 x 3 x 2 or other arrangements. Model trucks
rarely if ever try to show this. Some brass freight car trucks (e.g. W&R)
have experimented with up to 5 coil springs on each side, 10 per truck.

As far as I know the Proto 2000 steam era freight cars have all used
the same "AAR double truss, plankless" design which someone or other
identified as a Scullin sideframe design. Proto also makes a National
Type B truck but I haven't seen it offered with any of the models.

Model manufacturers usually punt on trucks. That's a U.S. expression
for "just kick the ball downfield and hope something good happens".
What it means for prototype modelers is that most models do not come
with the correct trucks. This can only be determined by consulting RR
freight car records, and/or photographs. A secondary problem is that
there are no available models of most freight car trucks in HO (or in
other scales for that matter). A further problem is that many of the
models that do exist are very poorly done. So... punt!

Tim O'Connor


ADMIN: Creosote and wood preservatives

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

While things have quited down somewhat, I guess it's time to terminate the discussions about the chemical makeup of creosote and various other wood preservatives.

OTOH, the color of flat car flooring is entirely within the scope of this group. Someone noted that the only thing that really matters is...what should the appearance be...not what is the actual substance used...or not used. While that conclusion is worthy, it is not entirely correct. The group's charter does include the study of the prototype including such things as the types of materials used in car construction. Nevertheless, we do seem to have explored this subject rather thoroughly...at least to the degree of the analysis of chemical preservatives.

I will add, though, that I plan to pursue color photographs of flat car decks, I will point them out and will be interested in examples that other members find. I would, however, caution the members that we're only interested in photos of cars in our time period.

Thanks.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: sunshine kits

Tim O'Connor
 

I think we should be clear. The shipping charge has been $4 for
up to 5 kits... or $20 for 25 kits, which is what I've always done! :-)

Tim "pssst, buddy wanna buy some resin freight cars" O'Connor


Re: sunshine kits

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Thank you Paul.

Jim Hayes

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
C. Koehler
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:32 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: sunshine kits

Jim:

I just got off the phone with Patricia Lofton, at present time they
are staying with the $4.00 kit shipping charge.

Paul C. Koehler


Re: sunshine kits

Paul C. Koehler <buygone@...>
 

Jim:

I just got off the phone with Patricia Lofton, at present time they
are staying with the $4.00 kit shipping charge.

Paul C. Koehler

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim and Lisa Hayes"
<jimandlisa97225@v...> wrote:

I have finally gotten off my fundament and sent an updated copy my
Sunshine
All Time list to Rob at the Steam Freight Cars site. It should be
available
there soon. When it does, I intend to delete the version in the
STMFC Files
area.

Joseph, I appreciate your note of the 40.xx kits being
discontinued. I need
that kind of help and support to keep up to date. I work from a
kit list and
info from my annual trip to Naperville. In between I depend on all
of you
for info. If anyone else is aware of changes in the availability
of Sunshine
kits, please let me know. Also if you spot any errors in my list,
please
tell me. With no Sunshine website, my list seems to be the next
best for
those wanting to know what's available. I want to keep it
accurate. Thank
you to all who help.

And, on the subject of changes, a recent New Products listing in a
magazine
said shipping charges were $5, not the $4 we're used to. Does
anyone know if
that's right?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


8.000/10.000 gallon tank car trucks [Proto 2000].

Arnold van Heyst
 

Sirs,

I've just saw severall photo's of the 8.000/10.000 gallon tank cars.
The revited type by Proto 2000.
Normal and insulated.
On the photo's you can see that all the trucks of that type is having
2 springs per side on 1 truck.
The insulated types 4!!

But the Proto 2000 is having 3!!!
Is 3 correct?
Can anyone tell me the manufacturer that has the proper type for this
car in the 1947/1960 period?

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.


Re: sunshine kits

SUVCWORR@...
 

In a message dated 1/19/2006 1:09:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jerryglow@comcast.net writes:

Yea, those free Priority Mail boxes from the Post Office can sure run
up the bill.

Jerry Glow



You assume that the free boxes are being used. In which case, you will need
a considerable amount of packing material for one Sunshine kit box. They
don't fit in the video box so you need to use a 1097 or similar size box which
is greatly oversized. The alternative is to buy appropriate size boxes.

Rich Orr


Re: sunshine kits

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

They ain't free. Use one and find out; you get charged for priority service.
Same for any of the Express packing materials.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni

From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@comcast.net>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:05:22 -0000
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: sunshine kits

Yea, those free Priority Mail boxes from the Post Office can sure run
up the bill.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@a... wrote:

With the recent increase in postage rates (Jan. 8th $4.05 for upto 1
lbs priority mail) plus the cost of the box and packing material, an
increase of $1 in shipping charges is not unreasonable at all.

Just my nickle's worth (inflation).

Rich Orr






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Re: sunshine kits

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jerry Glow wrote:
Yea, those free Priority Mail boxes from the Post Office can sure run
up the bill.
Cute one, Jerry, but Martin ships in the kit boxes if you order onesies and twosies. Or he did as recently as last year, last time I bought one by mail. And BTW for those who don't use it enough to know, postal rates DID increase a bunch in several categories, in some cases more than the five and a half percent of the first class category.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: sunshine kits

jerryglow2
 

Yea, those free Priority Mail boxes from the Post Office can sure run
up the bill.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@a... wrote:

With the recent increase in postage rates (Jan. 8th $4.05 for upto 1
lbs priority mail) plus the cost of the box and packing material, an
increase of $1 in shipping charges is not unreasonable at all.

Just my nickle's worth (inflation).

Rich Orr


wood warping

ed_mines
 

Anyone else have a wood car warp when the decals were set with water
based decal setting solution?

I did with an Ambroid X23 box car.

I used the wood sealer from Scalecoat after that. THat wood sealer
also contained fine particles which were supposed to fill in wood
grain.

Being frugal, I started dissolving Ambroid cement in MEK and using
that solution to seal wood (it soaked right in).

I once sealed a Walthers wood passenger car roof with some sealer from
the hardware store. It stil lshowed the grain and I had some mess when
I put the MEK containing Scalecoat sealer on top of that. Fortunately
MDC sold me a couple of Harriman roofs.

Phenol is one of the chemical constituents of coal tar. It's a raw
material to make chlorophenol.

Ed

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