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Re: High running board tank cars

David Lamson
 

-Thank you all for the information, much apprieciated!!!

.......Dave Lamson


-- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@e...> wrote:

I think that Mainline Modeler had an article with many pictures
probably
in 1996 of high-running board tank cars.


[Original Message]
From: gbrail <gbrail@y...>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/15/2006 8:17:32 PM
Subject: [STMFC] High running board tank cars

I've looked on the index for reference to high-running board tank
cars
to no avail, unless I have not been doing it properly. Does
anyone make
such a car or are there any articles concerning building these
cars?


Youngstown Doors

paulbizier <pa.bizier@...>
 

There have been past posts regarding upcoming production of 5/5/4
Youngstown doors (in the "way back machine" they go back to 2002). Is
there any updated info as to when these doors will be available?

Paul Bizier


Re: Southern Pacific Decals

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jan 4, 2006, at 9:42 AM, jim peters wrote:

Gentlemen,

A question for the SP modelers. My current project is an SP B-50-25 boxcar
(SP order P-3040) and I'm looking for the decals of the 1946 to '52
lettering scheme. I couldn't see what I was looking for in the Micro Scale
catalog. CDS has a fair selection of transition era SP, but I would have to
put 2 or 3 sets together for the lettering scheme I want. Seems funny, go
to an Eastern Canadian company to purchase lettering for a boxcar from the
American Southwest. Where do you SP guys go for your decals? Por favor
Jim:

I have them in hand for these cars, but have not yet released them yet. They will be announced here first once I am ready to ship.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
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(650) 787-1912


Canadian freight cars and operations list

PBowers <waiting@...>
 

Canadian freight cars and operations is a new list dedicated to the discussion and study of Canadian freight cars and their operations. It covers those interested in the prototype or modelers.

Over the years Canada has had a lot of unique cars and many very specialized operations. Canadian National and Canadian Pacific while operating in the same areas for the most part met business with considerably different car fleets.

Areas that will be discussed are:

With the development of the west large volumes of grain were and still are moved by rail. Canadian railways developed a specialized fleet to move this tonnage. To move the grain a zone system was set up and grain moved from different areas on different days.

CN and CP developed considerably different fleets of cars to move ore and coal, Find out why.

At one time, vast fleets of privately owned tank cars provided transportation for a large segment of the fuel produced. What happened to them?

These are only a few of the interesting topics which will be discussed on the list.

The Canadian car fleet and its operations is an important key to modelling Canada's railways. We invite you to join the list at: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDN-frt-cars-n-ops/>

Peter Bowers
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Re: truck springs

Tim O'Connor
 

Just to add to Richard's pictures of truck springs,
here's a 70 ton National C-1 from p.981 of the 1953 CBC --

o o
o o o
o o

or 2 x 3 x 2 as I would write it. They are turned
45 degrees however, so from the front you see 1
prominent spring, 2 just set back, and all the
others are invisible.

The Barber trucks shown on p.972 have 3 x 3 (S-2A)
3 x 3 (S-2) and 1 x 2 x 2 x 1 (S-1-L) -- in other
words all have 6 springs, and all are 50 ton trucks.

If you're not sure of the capacity of a truck, just
look at the journal dimensions. A 5 1/2 x 10 journal
is 50 tons. A 6 x 11 journal is for 70 tons. This is
the most reliable way to tell a truck's capacity.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Gene Deimling wrote:
"The Komar set in question is not appropriate if you want a pre-1962
slogan scheme. The diagram in my Komar catalog clearly shows the
scheme."

Gene, thanks for the assist. His online listing doesn't have any
diagrams. Can the data for this set be combined with Ted's SAL set to
produce an accurate lettering set?


Ben Hom


Re: Digest Number 2920 (SAL DECALS)

Eugene Deimling <losgatos48@...>
 

24. Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@worldnet.att.net>
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:19:22 -0800 (PST)
The Komar set in question is not appropriate if you want a pre-1962 slogan
scheme. The diagram in my Komar catalog clearly shows the scheme.

Gene Deimling
Los Gatos, CA

Message: 24
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:52:50 -0000
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

Mark Heiden asked:
"I'm looking for decals to letter a Seaboard Air Line 40ft PS-1 boxcar
from series SAL 24000-24499, built October, 1948. The cars carried
slogans, 24000-24299 lettered The Route of Courteous Service, and
24300-24499 The Route of the Silver Comet. Would Champ HB-8 be
correct for the as-delivered Courteous Service scheme of cars 24000-
24299? Are there any decals that could be used for the Silver Comet
scheme of cars 24300-24499?"

Greg Komar set HO-64/O-64 is specifically designed for these cars.
They're available as both decals and dry transfers:
http://www.greatdecals.com/GregKomar.htm

I don't have the actual set, but if the diagram in Freight Car
Lettering Plan Book 1 reflects what's in the set, the lettering in the
set is for a Class B-8 10 ft IH 1937 AAR boxcar, not a PS-1.


Ben Hom





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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:56:27 -0500
From: "George Gounley" <gounleys@earthlink.net>
Subject: Unicel Cars

The recent discussion on the use of preservatives in railroad car
construction caused me to wonder about the final disposition of the Unicel
box cars. Would anyone know?

IIRC, besides the demonstrator, the Army ordered a couple of cars and the
Saudis about 60.


George Gounley
gounleys@earthlink.net





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Re: 8.000/10.000 gallon tank car trucks [Proto 2000].

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Arnold wrote:

I've just saw severall photo's of the 8.000/10.000 gallon tank cars.
The revited type by Proto 2000.
Normal and insulated.
On the photo's you can see that all the trucks of that type is having
2 springs per side on 1 truck.
The insulated types 4!!

But the Proto 2000 is having 3!!!
Is 3 correct?
Can anyone tell me the manufacturer that has the proper type for this
car in the 1947/1960 period?
Arnold, the responses from both Tim O'Connor and Tony Thompson are
essentially correct. There are more springs in a truck than are
visible from the outside of the side frame. North American freight car
trucks typically had either four or five springs per truck, arranged
(looking from the top down):

O O
O O

or

O O
O
O O

Sometimes the center spring, if any, was visible (as modeled on the
Life-Like HO scale AAR trucks); sometimes it was lost in the shadows.

Seventy ton and heavier trucks often had six springs:

O O O
O O O

The trucks with four visible springs were Dalman trucks, which were
widely used in the 1920s and early '30s, before trucks with built-in
snubbers were developed. Dalmans had more and softer springs to
provide a better ride for the same weight-carrying capacity, and their
springs were arranged:

O O O O
O O O O

Eastern Car Works offers rather crude HO scale kits for Dalman trucks
(as well as for seventy ton AAR trucks) which are all we have at
present, but a better Dalman truck is under development by another
manufacturer and should become available later in 2006.

As for the correct trucks on the Life-Like AC&F Type 21 tank cars, it
depends. Many were built with Arch Bar trucks and got some type of
Andrews or ARA/AAR truck later in life. Some, like the Texaco and
General American cars modeled by Life-Like, were delivered with Dalman
two-level trucks. Others got ARA cast steel trucks with spring planks
when new. None were built with, and very few received as replacements,
the self-aligning spring-plankless trucks introduced in the mid-1930s
which are modeled by most manufacturers of HO scale trucks (and which
are often, though incorrectly, called "Bettendorf" trucks). As usual,
you have to consult prototype photos and then find the model trucks
that most closely resemble in type and side frame configuration the
trucks on the prototype you're modeling. No easy answers here.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"Doesn't Greg Komar do a couple of SAL PS-1's?"

Yes. See post #50350.


Ben Hom


Re: Unicel Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

George Gounley wrote:
The recent discussion on the use of preservatives in railroad car construction caused me to wonder about the final disposition of the Unicel box cars. Would anyone know?

IIRC, besides the demonstrator, the Army ordered a couple of cars and the Saudis about 60.
Since the design was never approved for interchange by the AAR, the disposition of the single demonstrator seems somewhat uninteresting--possibly stored at Pressed Steel or scrapped. Did the Army use them overseas or on-base to avoid the interchange problem? (I'm assuming there was minimal interchange by the Saudi cars.)

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Doesn't Greg Komar do a couple of SAL PS-1's?

Tim O.


Unicel Cars

George Gounley <gounleys@...>
 

The recent discussion on the use of preservatives in railroad car construction caused me to wonder about the final disposition of the Unicel box cars. Would anyone know?

IIRC, besides the demonstrator, the Army ordered a couple of cars and the Saudis about 60.


George Gounley
gounleys@earthlink.net


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Mark Heiden asked:
"I'm looking for decals to letter a Seaboard Air Line 40ft PS-1 boxcar
from series SAL 24000-24499, built October, 1948. The cars carried
slogans, 24000-24299 lettered The Route of Courteous Service, and
24300-24499 The Route of the Silver Comet. Would Champ HB-8 be
correct for the as-delivered Courteous Service scheme of cars 24000-
24299? Are there any decals that could be used for the Silver Comet
scheme of cars 24300-24499?"

Greg Komar set HO-64/O-64 is specifically designed for these cars.
They're available as both decals and dry transfers:
http://www.greatdecals.com/GregKomar.htm

I don't have the actual set, but if the diagram in Freight Car
Lettering Plan Book 1 reflects what's in the set, the lettering in the
set is for a Class B-8 10 ft IH 1937 AAR boxcar, not a PS-1.


Ben Hom


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

golden1014
 

Mark Heiden wrote: I'm looking for decals to letter a
Seaboard Air Line 40ft PS-1 boxcar from series SAL
24000-24499, built October, 1948. The cars carried
slogans, 24000-24299 lettered The Route of Courteous
Service, and 24300-24499 The Route of the Silver
Comet. Would Champ HB-8 be correct for the
as-delivered Courteous Service scheme of cars
24000-24299? Are there any decals that could be used
for the Silver Comet scheme of cars 24300-24499?

Hi Mark,

I strongly recommend you use the Speedwitch D-103
decal set. Ted Culotta made the Speedwitch set from
actual Seaboard photos and drawings and it is far
ahead of the Champ set in accuracy.

The Speedwitch D-103 set isn't made for the B-10 cars
so you'll have to do a bit of minor splicing to get
the right dimensional data and numbers, but it's worth
it the trouble. The Champ HB-8 set is made for the B-8
and B-9 cars. The Speedwitch set doesn't include a
Silver Comet slogan or Silver Star slogan, but I
wouldn't recommend mixing the Champ and Speedwitch
decal sets because they use different shades of white
that will yield bad results.

For the record, you can indeed use the Champ set for
these cars and it will make a fine-looking model. The
advantage to using the Champ set is that they make
Comet and Star slogans, but you'll have the same some
cutting and trimming issues that you'd have using the
Speedwitch set.

Don't forget that all the cars delivred in the first
three lots (24000-25499) were delivered with car
cement roofs.

John



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B&O 269284

Robert Daniels
 

I have a photo of B&O 269284, an M-26A, dating to the early 60's. In the photo the car has what appears to be a replacement door of Superior type with six panels. Does anyone know approximately when the original Creco doors on M-26A's were replaced with this type?

Thanks.

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New York, NY


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Re: sunshine kits

Tim O'Connor
 

my kits always come in a box about the size of a small refrigerator...

:-)

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In a message dated 1/19/2006 1:09:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jerryglow@comcast.net writes:

Yea, those free Priority Mail boxes from the Post Office can sure run
up the bill.

Jerry Glow



You assume that the free boxes are being used. In which case, you will need
a considerable amount of packing material for one Sunshine kit box. They
don't fit in the video box so you need to use a 1097 or similar size box which
is greatly oversized. The alternative is to buy appropriate size boxes.

Rich Orr


Re: C&WC pulpwood racks

Shawn Beckert
 

Fred,

The April, 1959 ORER lists these cars as "Pulpwood, Steel Underframe"
with a total of 62 cars in series 3950-4024. 100 more are listed as
"Pulpwood, All Steel" in series 4100-4199.

Hope this helps,

Shawn Beckert

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Fred Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:22 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] C&WC pulpwood racks


Folks,
I saw a photo of a C&WC pulpwood rack #3955 tonight on the ACL/SAL
website.
Can anyone tell me how many of these type racks they had like car #3955?
Also how did they make these cars? Where they cut down from gons or
did they use old flats? Also anyone know where I can get more photos
of C&WC frt cars?
Thanks
Fred Mullins







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Re: sunshine kits

Paul & Theri Koehler <buygone@...>
 

ALL:



In my conversation today with Patricia Lofton, she stated at this time there
will be no change in shipping prices.



Paul C. Koehler



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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:16 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: sunshine kits



I think we should be clear. The shipping charge has been $4 for
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C&WC pulpwood racks

Fred Mullins
 

Folks,
I saw a photo of a C&WC pulpwood rack #3955 tonight on the ACL/SAL
website.
Can anyone tell me how many of these type racks they had like car #3955?
Also how did they make these cars? Where they cut down from gons or
did they use old flats? Also anyone know where I can get more photos
of C&WC frt cars?
Thanks
Fred Mullins


Re: 8.000/10.000 gallon tank car trucks [Proto 2000].

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Arnold, American prototype freight cars trucks use spring "packages"
that contain a lot more than 2 or 3 or 4 springs... They usually are
arranged in 3 rows, like 2 x 3 x 2 or other arrangements. Model trucks
rarely if ever try to show this.
Not only that, there are slender springs inside EACH of those big outer springs that you can easily see. That's another reason the "see-through" type of "working" springs in HO trucks are so severely bogus.

Model manufacturers usually punt on trucks.
Sadly true, though gradually improving. And we now have at least a few HO trucks based on ACTUAL prototypes. The vesties must be baffled. "Ain't they all kinda Bettendorf??" or something similar is heard . . .

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