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8.000/10.000 gallon tank car placards [Proto 2000].

Arnold van Heyst
 

And as for the placards,
on the proto cars the placards are on the corner at a fixed place.
But on the photo's you can see they where also near the ladder on the left or right.
Was this random?
Are the carnumbers know which had that?

With kind regards,
Arnold van heyst
Netherlands.



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Re: Youngstown Doors (also Superior Doors)

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Andy - how does one purchase the Superior doors that Dan has on the market?? Do you
have a phone number or address for him? Does he have a website? Variations? Prices?
Thanks.

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@s...> wrote:

Dan Hall has purchased another production machine, and
had hoped to have run the doors before
Christmas-obviously he missed that projection. I have
talked to him and they should be here within 30 days.
I will post to this list when I have received these
doors. I am getting 2 versions of Improved youngstown
doors, the "Overnight" SP Interim improved Youngstown;
and all of the Superior doors Dan has already on the
market.
-Andy Carlson


Superior-style doors on M-26 class boxcars (was B&O 269284)

Robert Daniels
 

To put the question another way, if I am modeling
1951, is it possible that my M-26A would already have
a Superior-style replacement door, or did such
replacements begin later?

Thanks again.

Rob Daniels
New York, NY

--- Rob Daniels <shalizadad@...> wrote:

I have a photo of B&O 269284, an M-26A, dating to
the early 60's. In the photo the car has what
appears to be a replacement door of Superior type
with six panels. Does anyone know approximately when
the original Creco doors on M-26A's were replaced
with this type?

Thanks.

Rob Daniels
New York, NY


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Re: Unicel cars

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

One of the STMFC listers reported that two of the Unicel cars were purchased by ACL , painted, lettered, and apparently used as revenue cars. I have not heard more about this, but would be very interested.

A close inspection of the limited published information on the Unicel cars (including a very close look at the recent Unicel drawings at the Chicago Art Institute) shows that two different demonstrator cars (or two versions of the same car photographed with alterations between) were definitely constructed (an insulated box car, and a mechanical refrigerator car), and a third one (ice reefer) may or may not have been constructed (probably the latter).

The heavy laminated wood construction of these cars was downright remarkable.

Denny
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Sacramento


Thanks, re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

Thanks to all who have answered my question concerning SAL decals for
40ft PS-1 boxcars. Your advice and suggestions are greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


SAL PS-1 roofwalks, was Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

Mark Heiden
 

--- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@y...> wrote:

Don't forget that all the cars delivred in the first
three lots (24000-25499) were delivered with car
cement roofs.

John
Hi John,

Thanks for the advice on decals and the tip about the roofs covered
with car cement. That was something I didn't know. Do you know what
was done with the roofwalk? Was it too covered with car cement, or
painted, or left bare?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: Youngstown Doors

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Dan Hall has purchased another production machine, and
had hoped to have run the doors before
Christmas-obviously he missed that projection. I have
talked to him and they should be here within 30 days.
I will post to this list when I have received these
doors. I am getting 2 versions of Improved youngstown
doors, the "Overnight" SP Interim improved Youngstown;
and all of the Superior doors Dan has already on the
market.
In reference to the SP B-50-25 decals I mentioned earlier today, those will be combined with Dan's doors and resin ends and details to create a minikit for the IM 12-panel 40' box car. I, too, am waiting for several hundred of Dan's doors. I have had the decals in hand since December waiting for other things, including Dan's doors, to all come together.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@...
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(650) 787-1912


Re: Youngstown Doors

Andy Carlson
 

Dan Hall has purchased another production machine, and
had hoped to have run the doors before
Christmas-obviously he missed that projection. I have
talked to him and they should be here within 30 days.
I will post to this list when I have received these
doors. I am getting 2 versions of Improved youngstown
doors, the "Overnight" SP Interim improved Youngstown;
and all of the Superior doors Dan has already on the
market.
-Andy Carlson

--- paulbizier <pa.bizier@...> wrote:

There have been past posts regarding upcoming
production of 5/5/4
Youngstown doors (in the "way back machine" they go
back to 2002). Is
there any updated info as to when these doors will
be available?

Paul Bizier






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Looking for someone

asychis@...
 

Anyone know an Allen Godfrey (not absolutely sure of the spelling) of
Lansing, Michigan? I need to contact him.

Jerry Michels


Re: High running board tank cars

David Lamson
 

-Thank you all for the information, much apprieciated!!!

.......Dave Lamson


-- In STMFC@..., "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@e...> wrote:

I think that Mainline Modeler had an article with many pictures
probably
in 1996 of high-running board tank cars.


[Original Message]
From: gbrail <gbrail@y...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Date: 1/15/2006 8:17:32 PM
Subject: [STMFC] High running board tank cars

I've looked on the index for reference to high-running board tank
cars
to no avail, unless I have not been doing it properly. Does
anyone make
such a car or are there any articles concerning building these
cars?


Youngstown Doors

paulbizier <pa.bizier@...>
 

There have been past posts regarding upcoming production of 5/5/4
Youngstown doors (in the "way back machine" they go back to 2002). Is
there any updated info as to when these doors will be available?

Paul Bizier


Re: Southern Pacific Decals

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jan 4, 2006, at 9:42 AM, jim peters wrote:

Gentlemen,

A question for the SP modelers. My current project is an SP B-50-25 boxcar
(SP order P-3040) and I'm looking for the decals of the 1946 to '52
lettering scheme. I couldn't see what I was looking for in the Micro Scale
catalog. CDS has a fair selection of transition era SP, but I would have to
put 2 or 3 sets together for the lettering scheme I want. Seems funny, go
to an Eastern Canadian company to purchase lettering for a boxcar from the
American Southwest. Where do you SP guys go for your decals? Por favor
Jim:

I have them in hand for these cars, but have not yet released them yet. They will be announced here first once I am ready to ship.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Canadian freight cars and operations list

PBowers <waiting@...>
 

Canadian freight cars and operations is a new list dedicated to the discussion and study of Canadian freight cars and their operations. It covers those interested in the prototype or modelers.

Over the years Canada has had a lot of unique cars and many very specialized operations. Canadian National and Canadian Pacific while operating in the same areas for the most part met business with considerably different car fleets.

Areas that will be discussed are:

With the development of the west large volumes of grain were and still are moved by rail. Canadian railways developed a specialized fleet to move this tonnage. To move the grain a zone system was set up and grain moved from different areas on different days.

CN and CP developed considerably different fleets of cars to move ore and coal, Find out why.

At one time, vast fleets of privately owned tank cars provided transportation for a large segment of the fuel produced. What happened to them?

These are only a few of the interesting topics which will be discussed on the list.

The Canadian car fleet and its operations is an important key to modelling Canada's railways. We invite you to join the list at: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDN-frt-cars-n-ops/>

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Re: truck springs

Tim O'Connor
 

Just to add to Richard's pictures of truck springs,
here's a 70 ton National C-1 from p.981 of the 1953 CBC --

o o
o o o
o o

or 2 x 3 x 2 as I would write it. They are turned
45 degrees however, so from the front you see 1
prominent spring, 2 just set back, and all the
others are invisible.

The Barber trucks shown on p.972 have 3 x 3 (S-2A)
3 x 3 (S-2) and 1 x 2 x 2 x 1 (S-1-L) -- in other
words all have 6 springs, and all are 50 ton trucks.

If you're not sure of the capacity of a truck, just
look at the journal dimensions. A 5 1/2 x 10 journal
is 50 tons. A 6 x 11 journal is for 70 tons. This is
the most reliable way to tell a truck's capacity.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Gene Deimling wrote:
"The Komar set in question is not appropriate if you want a pre-1962
slogan scheme. The diagram in my Komar catalog clearly shows the
scheme."

Gene, thanks for the assist. His online listing doesn't have any
diagrams. Can the data for this set be combined with Ted's SAL set to
produce an accurate lettering set?


Ben Hom


Re: Digest Number 2920 (SAL DECALS)

Eugene Deimling <losgatos48@...>
 

24. Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:19:22 -0800 (PST)
The Komar set in question is not appropriate if you want a pre-1962 slogan
scheme. The diagram in my Komar catalog clearly shows the scheme.

Gene Deimling
Los Gatos, CA

Message: 24
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:52:50 -0000
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>
Subject: Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

Mark Heiden asked:
"I'm looking for decals to letter a Seaboard Air Line 40ft PS-1 boxcar
from series SAL 24000-24499, built October, 1948. The cars carried
slogans, 24000-24299 lettered The Route of Courteous Service, and
24300-24499 The Route of the Silver Comet. Would Champ HB-8 be
correct for the as-delivered Courteous Service scheme of cars 24000-
24299? Are there any decals that could be used for the Silver Comet
scheme of cars 24300-24499?"

Greg Komar set HO-64/O-64 is specifically designed for these cars.
They're available as both decals and dry transfers:
http://www.greatdecals.com/GregKomar.htm

I don't have the actual set, but if the diagram in Freight Car
Lettering Plan Book 1 reflects what's in the set, the lettering in the
set is for a Class B-8 10 ft IH 1937 AAR boxcar, not a PS-1.


Ben Hom





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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:56:27 -0500
From: "George Gounley" <gounleys@...>
Subject: Unicel Cars

The recent discussion on the use of preservatives in railroad car
construction caused me to wonder about the final disposition of the Unicel
box cars. Would anyone know?

IIRC, besides the demonstrator, the Army ordered a couple of cars and the
Saudis about 60.


George Gounley
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Re: 8.000/10.000 gallon tank car trucks [Proto 2000].

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Arnold wrote:

I've just saw severall photo's of the 8.000/10.000 gallon tank cars.
The revited type by Proto 2000.
Normal and insulated.
On the photo's you can see that all the trucks of that type is having
2 springs per side on 1 truck.
The insulated types 4!!

But the Proto 2000 is having 3!!!
Is 3 correct?
Can anyone tell me the manufacturer that has the proper type for this
car in the 1947/1960 period?
Arnold, the responses from both Tim O'Connor and Tony Thompson are
essentially correct. There are more springs in a truck than are
visible from the outside of the side frame. North American freight car
trucks typically had either four or five springs per truck, arranged
(looking from the top down):

O O
O O

or

O O
O
O O

Sometimes the center spring, if any, was visible (as modeled on the
Life-Like HO scale AAR trucks); sometimes it was lost in the shadows.

Seventy ton and heavier trucks often had six springs:

O O O
O O O

The trucks with four visible springs were Dalman trucks, which were
widely used in the 1920s and early '30s, before trucks with built-in
snubbers were developed. Dalmans had more and softer springs to
provide a better ride for the same weight-carrying capacity, and their
springs were arranged:

O O O O
O O O O

Eastern Car Works offers rather crude HO scale kits for Dalman trucks
(as well as for seventy ton AAR trucks) which are all we have at
present, but a better Dalman truck is under development by another
manufacturer and should become available later in 2006.

As for the correct trucks on the Life-Like AC&F Type 21 tank cars, it
depends. Many were built with Arch Bar trucks and got some type of
Andrews or ARA/AAR truck later in life. Some, like the Texaco and
General American cars modeled by Life-Like, were delivered with Dalman
two-level trucks. Others got ARA cast steel trucks with spring planks
when new. None were built with, and very few received as replacements,
the self-aligning spring-plankless trucks introduced in the mid-1930s
which are modeled by most manufacturers of HO scale trucks (and which
are often, though incorrectly, called "Bettendorf" trucks). As usual,
you have to consult prototype photos and then find the model trucks
that most closely resemble in type and side frame configuration the
trucks on the prototype you're modeling. No easy answers here.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"Doesn't Greg Komar do a couple of SAL PS-1's?"

Yes. See post #50350.


Ben Hom


Re: Unicel Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

George Gounley wrote:
The recent discussion on the use of preservatives in railroad car construction caused me to wonder about the final disposition of the Unicel box cars. Would anyone know?

IIRC, besides the demonstrator, the Army ordered a couple of cars and the Saudis about 60.
Since the design was never approved for interchange by the AAR, the disposition of the single demonstrator seems somewhat uninteresting--possibly stored at Pressed Steel or scrapped. Did the Army use them overseas or on-base to avoid the interchange problem? (I'm assuming there was minimal interchange by the Saudi cars.)

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Re: Decals for SAL 40ft PS-1 boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Doesn't Greg Komar do a couple of SAL PS-1's?

Tim O.

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