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Thank you from Cocoa Beach

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

While this has little to do with steam era frt cars, I would like to say a
special thank you to all of the clinicians that gave of their time & efforts
to produce this yr's Prototype Rails at Cocoa Beach. I have long felt that
clinics/seminars by recognized experts were one of the three attractions of
a meet like PR. The other two....model displays and layout tours...seem to
be expressions of the information given by such presenters.

And, it is also very appropriate to thank all that just came to enjoy the
meet...quite a few from long distance. All go into making this kind of event
a success.

I will also say that one reason this is a might late coming is that...like
some...I've been laid out with the flu bug since Monday morning. 102� for 3
days. Not nice. So, for those of you so suffering, you aren't alone.

Mike Brock


Re: Cocoa Beach report

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bob Gangwish notes about Cocoa Beach:

Just a small point, it was a Sunshine Region/NMRA sponsored meet. We
like to help Mike(also a member) out where we can. And we will do so
again. Those O scale corner modules you saw are being financially
supported by the Region. Not being over-sensitive, but not all vests
are alike.
Bob is absolutely correct. Bob has been a member of the STMFC for some time
and is the current president of the NMRA's SunShine Region. I welcome the
support of the NMRA and attendees can wear what they like....be it a vest or
a Friends of the Freight Car shirt. BTW, as far as I know there was no
organized plan for several of us to wear such shirts on Sat but there were
about 5 of us with the San Jose shirt on.

I have to chuckle a bit at Bob's cohort, VP Ed Kasper, whom I caught
seemingly sneaking a Westerfield car into the display area last year. An SSR
officer bringing a model to display? Unheard of. Anyhow, had Ed not had a
heart attack just prior to the meet, I'm sure he'd have had more such stuff
this yr. Fortunately, he's out of the hospital and is one of the few with
what I would consider an acceptable excuse...I guess.

Mike Brock


Eugene Deimling

ted_culotta <ted_culotta@...>
 

Anybody out there know Eugene's email address?

Thank you in advance

Regards,
Ted


Re: Cocoa Beach report

bobgang2001 <bobgang@...>
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@w...> wrote:
Strangely enough, there were a few vests in evidence. A change of
heart, perhaps?
Ben, is the term vests perjorative like "suits"? <g>
As one of the "vests" that was at the meet I am glad to see so many
attendees had a positive experience. Just sorry so many seem to have
come down with a "Cocoa flu" - by the way, Mike himself came down
with a bug after it was all over. Probably stressed out from getting
it all together.
Just a small point, it was a Sunshine Region/NMRA sponsored meet. We
like to help Mike(also a member) out where we can. And we will do so
again. Those O scale corner modules you saw are being financially
supported by the Region. Not being over-sensitive, but not all vests
are alike.
Bob Gangwish
Sunshine Region President


Re: National Car cars

ljack70117@...
 

They will not be sending oranges. It will Be JUICE.
Thank you
Larry Jackman

Jon Miller wrote:


Re: National Car cars

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Regardless of how the Fruit Growers fleet was managed, I think Bill's point is
that the fleet was numerically larger than the Santa Fe fleet -- That is, most of
the cars in the BREX/WFEX/FGEX fleet had a lot in common with each other
and so represent excellent candidates for modeling, regardless of which line
is your favorite. Just as everyone is a PRR modeler, so almost everyone is a
reefer modeler -- PFE, FGE, SFRD, ART, MDT, and so on.

Admittedly, depending on what part of the country you model, FGE is more
problematic. What reporting marks would predominate? That depends a lot
on local traffic patterns. With PFE and SFRD, you don't have this problem.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Carson <mbcarson@together.net>

Excellent, another "it depends" answer. With this
information, both Mr. Hendrickson and Mr. Welch have equal
claim to the proper way to interpret the historical data.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>

Bill Welch refers to Fruit Growers Express as "the nation's second largest
reefer entity." Uh, depends on how you count, Bill


Re: National Car cars

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Jeff,
Coals to Newscastle? That would be more akin to the (future) practice of
shipping Wyoming coal to the Northeast.

California oranges are table oranges; Florida oranges are juice oranges. I
believe this is covered in the PFE book.
Whoa, over generalization alert!

Funny, as Mike pointed out the last time this came up...here on the least
coast, our table oranges come from Florida. ;^) (naturally I didn't detect
ANY regional bias in your comment). While the balance of production
numbers may favor Ca in this, don't rule out the growth of very specific
types of fruit for specific marker nitches...an orange isn't just a juice
of table orange!

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: National Car cars

mbcarson2002
 

Excellent, another "it depends" answer. With this
information, both Mr. Hendrickson and Mr. Welch have equal
claim to the proper way to interpret the historical data.

Regards,

Michael Carson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 17 January, 2002 12:02
Subject: Re: [STMFC] National Car cars


: Bill Welch refers to Fruit Growers Express as "the
nation's second largest
: reefer entity." Uh, depends on how you count, Bill. In
terms of car
: ownership, FGEX and NX combined added up to 12,947 as of
the 1/53 ORER,
: third behind PFE and SFRD (which had 14,521 cars on the
active roster at
: that time). But if you include the Burlington (BREX) and
Great Northern
: (WFEX) fleets, which were owned by those railroads but
operated for them by
: Fruit Growers, then the number of cars under Fruit
Growers' control was
: 20,492. Just to keep the record straight.
:
: Richard H. Hendrickson
: Ashland, Oregon 97520
:
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Re: National Car cars

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

one can speculate about in California Agricultural Inspection Requirements<
Do you really think we would want to look at every orange?<VBG>.


Re: National Car cars

mbcarson2002
 

Although the Tropicana unit train to California is
probably out of era for this list, one can speculate about
in California Agricultural Inspection Requirements for this
movement and how that might complicate operation of the
train.

Regards,

Michael Carson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Aley - GCD PE" <jaley@pcocd2.intel.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 17 January, 2002 13:12
Subject: Re: [STMFC] National Car cars


: On Jan 17, 12:52pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:
: > Subject: Re: [STMFC] National Car cars
: > Apropos of nothing perhaps, but there was a news item
last week that
: > Tropicana is considering a "unit train" of orange juice
from Florida to
: > California, just like the current Florida->Northeast
trains.
: >
: > Talk about shipping coals to Newcastle!
:
:
: Coals to Newscastle? That would be more akin to the
(future) practice of
: shipping Wyoming coal to the Northeast.
:
: California oranges are table oranges; Florida oranges are
juice oranges. I
: believe this is covered in the PFE book.
:
: Regards,
:
: -Jeff
:
: P.S. Who knows what kinds of strange things will take
place in the future
: -- like in the year 2000!
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Re: National Car cars

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

On Jan 17, 12:52pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] National Car cars
Apropos of nothing perhaps, but there was a news item last week that
Tropicana is considering a "unit train" of orange juice from Florida to
California, just like the current Florida->Northeast trains.

Talk about shipping coals to Newcastle!

Coals to Newscastle? That would be more akin to the (future) practice of
shipping Wyoming coal to the Northeast.

California oranges are table oranges; Florida oranges are juice oranges. I
believe this is covered in the PFE book.

Regards,

-Jeff

P.S. Who knows what kinds of strange things will take place in the future
-- like in the year 2000!


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Re: National Car cars

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Apropos of nothing perhaps, but there was a news item last week that
Tropicana is considering a "unit train" of orange juice from Florida to
California, just like the current Florida->Northeast trains.

Talk about shipping coals to Newcastle!

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>

Bill Welch refers to Fruit Growers Express as "the nation's second largest
reefer entity." Uh, depends on how you count, Bill. In terms of car
ownership, FGEX and NX combined added up to 12,947 as of the 1/53 ORER,
third behind PFE and SFRD (which had 14,521 cars on the active roster at
that time). But if you include the Burlington (BREX) and Great Northern
(WFEX) fleets, which were owned by those railroads but operated for them by
Fruit Growers, then the number of cars under Fruit Growers' control was
20,492. Just to keep the record straight.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Two Shermans on a flat car

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

Hi Garth

The Tanks on the flat cars are M4A1 Shermans, these had cast
hulls rather than the more familiar welded hulls of the M4A3 and
yes, they are ready for action.

http://www.italeri.com/articolo2.asp?ProCodice=+225&ProDescrizione=Sherman+M
4+A1
This model shows the 76mm gun turrent rather than the 75mm gun turrent in
the photo.

Ian Clasper

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@virginia.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Two Shermans on a flat car


Tim,

Nice shot, but those aren't Shermans. They are a much lighter amphibious
tank. The one on the sling is, I
think, a Stewart. No wonder the Germans laughed at us (at first).

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Tim O'Connor wrote:

http://image.vtls.com/VTLS/SC/02/079.jpg


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Re: Westerfield page

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

What scale are these items? Probably HO, but I don't like assuming...

HO.

Dave Nelson
ex-N scale modeler


Re: Early Youngstown or Seven Panel Superior Doors??

Richard Hendrickson
 

I'll be curious to see if
the end ladders on the GTW cars (built by Pullman-Standard) had the integral
steps at the bottom like the Canadian cars had.
No, they didn't. Apparently those end steps were a statutory requirement
in Canada but GTW wasn't required to equip its cars with them and did not
do so even when the rest of the car closely followed Canadian car building
practice.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: National Car cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Bill Welch refers to Fruit Growers Express as "the nation's second largest
reefer entity." Uh, depends on how you count, Bill. In terms of car
ownership, FGEX and NX combined added up to 12,947 as of the 1/53 ORER,
third behind PFE and SFRD (which had 14,521 cars on the active roster at
that time). But if you include the Burlington (BREX) and Great Northern
(WFEX) fleets, which were owned by those railroads but operated for them by
Fruit Growers, then the number of cars under Fruit Growers' control was
20,492. Just to keep the record straight.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Westerfield page

Ted Larson
 

Our web page now has some serious upgrades. There are sure to be
some
glitches, so let me know if you find any.
- Al Westerfield
A couple of hopefully constructive comments (I'm often requested as a
tester so I tend to notice a lot of things):<<<<<<<<<

What scale are these items? Probably HO, but I don't like assuming...

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Re: Cocoa Beach report

billd@...
 

Well...considering that they used to ship it in barrels (see PFE, page 109)it probably is an improvement.

Bill Daniels
Tucson, AZ



On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:21:29 -0500
Andy Harman <andy10@hhcustom.com> wrote:
I thought box wine came about for more efficient shipping in box cars...

Andy


Re: Cocoa Beach report

billd@...
 

Ah, but there's gotta be something for the "vested interests" to do...LOL

Bill Daniels
Tucson, AZ

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:20:04 -0500
Andy Harman <andy10@hhcustom.com> wrote:
At 09:18 PM 01/16/2002 -0000, you wrote:

One I think was the badge checker, who stopped me Saturday morning. Didn't
see him challenge anybody else all day, in fact next I saw him he was
asleep. Kind of silly to have a badge checker when the badge is just a
white name tag with in most cases first name only.

Andy


Re: PDAX 1057

billd@...
 

Chandler is just south of Phoenix (wherever THAT is!) I need to stop there someday next time I'm up that way. And incidently, Chandler is (or was) the site of the Copperstate Fly-in (that's for Richard...)

Bill Daniels
Tucson, AZ

On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:32:15 -0800
"Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@disney.com> wrote:
Richard asked:

Any idea where this one is(or was) located?
Chandler, Arizona - wherever that is.

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