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Re: Marklin/Trix R-40-14's

Arnold van Heyst
 

This reeferset is a nice one to have.
Very good detail,
alltought the roofwalk is a bit shorter than it should be.
If you want some photo's please mail me, and i will try.

Arnold van Heyst.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "David Ball" <davidball@...> wrote:

Hi Guy

What is the quality/accuracy of the Marklin/Trix R-40-14's like?
(ignore the
paint, that will go).

Ta

David Ball


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Re: IM R-40-19's

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

David Ball wrote:
More PFE model question. This time about the IM assembles R-40-19's

All that I've seen has the build date listed as 1942. Is this a promotional
error that continued through, or does the model have the erroneous rebuild
date?

Also, I'm I right in thinking that the ladders should be black?
As this rebuild class was done during 1944-1945, the 1942 date is obviously wrong. I don't know if the IM cars will have a correct "built date," but the 1944-45 dates are REBUILD dates. PFE normally showed both on such cars.
Ladders should be black for a car with paint prior to 1949.

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Re: Gorilla Glue (was ACC)

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

While the various types of Urethane glues smell bad I haven't seen any
that attach plastic yet.
Also the new glue called "Power Grap" by Loctite seems to work well for
some applications. Again it doesn't seem to bother plastic.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
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Re: Gorilla Glue (was ACC)

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Rhodes" <farronhill@...> wrote:

Urethane glues like Gorilla Glue have some issues even for woodworking, and
I agree with Michael on their unsuitability for small scale work.

Used exactly as directed, this is a high strength glue, but it is a lot
fussier - if you don't follow the instructions exactly, you get foaming and
joint weakness as Michael has pointed out. This would be especially
bothersome for very small joints. The PVA ("white" and "yellow") glues are
much more forgiving in many ways.
I would think Gorilla Glue can be used to attach steel weights inside of model freight cars,
no? The two steel weights that I glued together cannot be pried apart as hard as I might
try. It might work as well for interior bracing to straighten out warped urethane resin
bodies, etc.

Pat Wider


Re: Banana Reefers & Routing

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

From: "Gary Gealy" <gsquared@comcast.net>

I believe these exceptions give some additional information as to how the banana reefers traveled.
------------------------------------

The exception routing are an interesting collection, but they don't really tell us anything about how the bananas actually moved. The interline tariffs were comprehensive documents that included all legal routes, most of which moved little if any traffic. There had to be a routing for banana caretakers over any route on which the bananas could move, and the general statement to which there was a set of exceptions might have moved all of the traffic on routes other than those with the exceptions.

I imagine that the basic rule said that caretakers could recive free transportation via the loaded route. The Bamberger exception indicates that their freight trains did not have cabooses, but it's unlikely they ever would have handled bananas from Ogden to Salt Lake city. The Bieber Gateway route exception is necessary because there was no passenger service over that route. I making these regional tariffs, someone in the traffic department on each railroad would look at application of the basic rule to determine where it wouldn't work and these situations gave rise to the exceptions. This was done without regard to whether there was any traffic. The consequence of having an exception would have meant that the excepting railroad would have been obligated to provide the service as specified in the basic rule.

Sorry this is a bit wordy, but it's brevity compared to what was written in those tariffs.








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PFE R40-25 Roofs and Ends

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 2/9/2006 10:26:18 PM Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
Jerry, What is the Museum PayPal address so I can ge the order placed that
we discussed a couple days ago. Paul Lyons
amarillorail@aol.com


Gorilla Glue

asychis@...
 

I would not use this for kits. It expands too much. However, it is the best
stuff I've ever seen for attaching backdrops to a model railroad. You almost
elimiante screw holes and joint lines, and if you have a lot of clamps, you
can hang a lot of linear feet in a few minutes.

I know this is off topic, but the timed saved using Gorilla Glue for my
backdrops let's me ACC a lot of additional resin boxcar kits together!

Jerry Michels


PFE R40-25 roofs and ends

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 2/9/2006 8:37:09 PM Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
Do you know if the ends are good for any WFE cars? I think
some of the WFE cars had DP roofs.

Tim,

This has to be answered by others on the list. We brought these out because
of a number of requests by various people. I woul ddifinitely like to see
some discussion of how these can be used.

Jerry


Re: WM two-bay hopper

Larry Kline
 

There were 3 groups of these cars:
15000-15499 built by Bethlehem Steel in 1927 - H1
15500-16499 built by the WM shops 1927-30 - H2
16500-21179 rebuilt by the WM shops 1927-35 - H3, H4
The first two groups had ladders and fabricated end sills. The 3rd
group had grabs and cast end sills. Otherwise, they were very similar
in appearance. For more info see:
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/WM_Rwy/files/Channel Side hopper
info
(You will have to join the WM Yahoo group to access this info.) and my
article in the January 1999 RMC

The WM didn't start using car classes until ca. 1960 when most of these
cars were retired. The class info above is from a Bill Oertly roster
published in the WMRHS magazine in 1982.

Thomas Baker wrote:
I have kit-bashed a Western Maryland two-bay open hopper from a kit.
It is what I call a channel-side hopper--don't know how else to define
it. The decal set I have has a selection of numbers, but the number I
am inclined toward is 17395. What, in WM's classification system, was
that? An H-3 or an H-4?

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: Smithfield Terminal/ Refrigerator Cars

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Jace,

The Smithfield Terminal rates two pages, with about 10 photos, in Richard E. Prince's RICHMOND-WASHINGTON FAST FREIGHT LINE. The line lasted just 18 months or so, generating only a little over 1,000 car loads in its first year of existence, way down from a projected 3,000. You are correct about the connection, or lack thereof. It connected by car float with the C&O at Newport News only. This routing makes it unlikely any cars would have been routed over the A&D. Prince says the line only served one plant directly, Gwaltney's (IIRC). If they other three major shippers in Smithfield used the line, they must have loaded at a team track from a truck, so why bother? It would appear that a lack of a direct connection, and already established truck service, doomed the line from the start.

In looking over the handful of photos in Prince's book, I noticed that there were three different refrigerators shown. I could make out lettering on only one: part of the end lettering shows "??DX", and part of the number. This suggests the car was owned by NADX, but that's not absolutely certain. The distinctive end fascia is pretty clear in the photo, and maybe some of our reefer mavens who own this book can make a more definite ID. The other two reefers shown are beyond my experience to identify.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Justin Kahn wrote:

I am cudgelling my memory on what I know about the Smithfield Terminal (provided, I think, by an article in RLHS Bulletin many years ago), a line of some interest to me, as I was once stationed at Langley AFB in the area, and their large and modern 2-6-2T came from the Knox in Maine. If my memory serves, I think the Smithfield Terminal had no direct rail connection and all interchange was by carfloat, so that might affect which refrigerator cars were used--to the extent (as Garth suggests) they produced much in the way of carloads in the first place.

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

07 Feb 2006 13:09:51 -0500

From: Garth Groff <ggg9y@virginia.edu>

Malcolm and Roger,

IIRC, Gwaltney's and Smithfield were the two big packers in Smithfield,
Virginia. There might have been others. These are big operations, though
not as big as many in the mid-west (but just as smelly!). And yes, they
packed mostly hams, smoked and salted. Still do, for that matter, though
I think Smithfield owns the whole ball of wax.

But again, they didn't have rail service, except for about two years in
the late 1940s when the Smithfield Terminal was running. Otherwise,
Smithfield packers have always used road transport. It is possible at
some point they trucked their product to Norfolk, Portsmouth or Suffolk
for railcar loading, but I have no information on this.

Garth G. Groff

From: Roger Hinman <rhinman@rcn.com>

ertainly out of my knowledge base but I think you've got a question
that others may be able to better focus on. My guess would be FGE would
be the most likely produce reefer provider, no idea which packer was in Smithfield VA. In the fifites, wood sided meat reefers were probably the predominant car

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Since Smithfield hams were a specialty product, I'd doubt there was
enough to any one destiantion to send a carload. My bet for that product would be express reefers with shipments of some number of cases to a distributor.

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Re: Super Glue

joe binish <joebinish@...>
 

Pat,
The super glue won't hurt you if you use it to glue your fingers back
together. In 87 I had a retro-periotinal(sp?) lymoh node disection(cut open
slightlty fat 20 year old, look at guts, re-insert) and they glued and
stapled me up! Now I have an excuse for my Y2K fuel tank!
Seriously the early stuff was used as a battlefield technique to keep the
GAs alive till they could be med evaced to a hospital(so I've heard from
more than one good source-battlefield first aid guys)

Joe Binish


WM two-bay hopper

Thomas Baker
 

I have kit-bashed a Western Maryland two-bay open hopper from a kit. It is what I call a channel-side hopper--don't know how else to define it. The decal set I have has a selection of numbers, but the number I am inclined toward is 17395. What, in WM's classification system, was that? An H-3 or an H-4?

Tom


Re: Gorilla Glue (was ACC)

Doug Rhodes
 

Urethane glues like Gorilla Glue have some issues even for woodworking, and I agree with Michael on their unsuitability for small scale work.

If you do try them, DO heed seriously their suggestion about protective gloves. There is NO solvent or debonder that will remove dried urethane glue - tincture of time (about a week) is required to get the ugly mess off your hands.

Used exactly as directed, this is a high strength glue, but it is a lot fussier - if you don't follow the instructions exactly, you get foaming and joint weakness as Michael has pointed out. This would be especially bothersome for very small joints. The PVA ("white" and "yellow") glues are much more forgiving in many ways.

And Titebond III is about as waterproof as nearly anybody needs - if it is not waterproof enough for a particular application, then epoxy is probably a better choice than urethane in most cases.

Gorilla Glue does have very colourful (and ubiquitous) advertising, but the applications where it is actually the best choice are somewhat limited.

Doug Rhodes

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From: "Michael Mang" <mnmang@mn.rr.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Gorilla Glue (was ACC)


Have you guys tried Gorilla Glue? The stuff is amazing. I've just
It's great stuff...for gluing wood to wood. It is a urethane that cures with
moisture and expands as it cures. Tenacious, but regular yellow wood glue
forms a joint which is stronger than the wood itself, so the Gorilla glue
becomes overkill for normal use. Unlike yellow glue, it is waterproof and
has a long open time. It absolutely requires clamping to keep expansion from
pushing the joint apart.

made in Denmark. This stuff certainly has modeling applications. I wonder
if it will work
with a urethane resin kit? Anyone know????
To use Gorilla glue you must add wet one side of the joint (with water in
the liquid state) in order to activate the cure. Green wood may contain
sufficient moisture to activate the cure.

If you are willing to try wetting one piece in a resin kit, then are able to
clamp the joint evenly enough to prevent the expansion from pushing the
components apart, it may work.

Is it possible to make it work? Yes. Would it be a good idea? Other than to
be able to say "I did it"; no.

Michael Mang





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FW: IM R-40-19's

David Ball
 

EDIT!: More PFE model question_s_. This time about the IM assemble_d_
R-40-19's

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Re: Chateau Martin Pfaudler

Tim O'Connor
 

You understand now why I called it "electric purple"? You should see
it in bright light!

IM has a photo of the CMWX car in purple on the web site:
http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48212.htm
If what I see on my browser, deep and pure purple, is really the
kit color, it doesn't correspond to anything I remember.

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Marklin/Trix R-40-14's

David Ball
 

Hi Guy

What is the quality/accuracy of the Marklin/Trix R-40-14's like? (ignore the
paint, that will go).

Ta

David Ball


IM R-40-19's

David Ball
 

Hi Guys

More PFE model question. This time about the IM assembles R-40-19's

All that I've seen has the build date listed as 1942. Is this a promotional
error that continued through, or does the model have the erroneous rebuild
date?

Also, I'm I right in thinking that the ladders should be black?

Ta (again)

David Ball


BREX beginnings

Rupert and Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Still on the subject of BREX, I'm compiling a full roster of CB&Q reefers, including those that were leased to Burlington Refrigerator Express Co. in June 1926.

I am aware of the intended number groups for the leased cars but does anyone have a June 1926 ORER who can provide me with the actual number groups that were listed for the new company.

Also, the first listing of the number of cars in each number group was between November 1926 and May 1927. Does anyone have an ORER between those dates who can assist with this.

If you can help, please contact me at gamlenz@ihug.co.nz.

Thanks

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


Re: Chateau Martin Pfaudler

David Ball
 

What Brain said!

I'm a bit surprised IM would want to use it as a promo shot.

David Ball


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Re: Chateau Martin Pfaudler

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IM has a photo of the CMWX car in purple on the web site:
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