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Re: Marklin/Trix R-40-14's

Andy Carlson
 

David,
I have a lot of spare parts for Terry's various
reefers.If you want a pair of ends (or any other
part), State-side modelers can get a pair of the ends
for $3.00, postpaid.
contact me at midcentury@sbcglobal.net off-list,
please.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- David Ball <davidball@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

Another option would be the Terry's ends from the
R-30-18, etc kits.

The big quest may be if they are available
separately. If you need to
sacrifice a whole kit, then there wouldn't be any
cost advantages
over the Trix price (assuming you can correct the
discrepancies).

Cheers

David Ball

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mopacfirst"
<ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Has anyone tried using the IM R-40-10 with Detail
Associates white
plastic ends? These are the ends that were
originally designed for
the Athearn car, and I know they're two or three
scale inches too
narrow for the IM R-40-23 (I once thought about
this conversion
too,
but didn't do it).
The IM kit has the beveled corners to work with
the square corner
ends, but the Detail Associates W-section end has
its own rivets so
it might be possible to trim the sides back just a
bit.
Or is this nuts?

Ron Merrick







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Re: Marklin/Trix R-40-14's

David Ball
 

That was (broadly) the next question I was going to ask!

Another option would be the Terry's ends from the R-30-18, etc kits.
I'm not at home at the moment, but I look at this briefly the other
night. I can't remember the how the width compared to the IM R-40-
10, but I remember that they were a few scale inches too long.
However from memory this seemed to be in the lower plate below the
ribs, so with a bit of slicing and rejoining, they could work

The big quest may be if they are available separately. If you need to
sacrifice a whole kit, then there wouldn't be any cost advantages
over the Trix price (assuming you can correct the discrepancies).

Cheers

David Ball

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Has anyone tried using the IM R-40-10 with Detail Associates white
plastic ends? These are the ends that were originally designed for
the Athearn car, and I know they're two or three scale inches too
narrow for the IM R-40-23 (I once thought about this conversion
too,
but didn't do it).
The IM kit has the beveled corners to work with the square corner
ends, but the Detail Associates W-section end has its own rivets so
it might be possible to trim the sides back just a bit.
Or is this nuts?

Ron Merrick


New York Central stock car question

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I started working on cleaning up one Al W's NYC stock car kits and as I
was doing so I decided I wanted to try to find more photos than the one
I have. THe one photo I have is from my friend, John King, and I am not
where he got the negative. It is NYC 22080, which was built in 1921
from Lot 421 with a reweigh of BG 1-47. The car in the photo has a wood
roof and DS ends.

Does anyone on the list know of other photos of these early cars. I am
building an example of a car with SS ends. The kit I have has a Murphy
roof but I am thinking, after reading a history of the cars, I may try
to get a wood roof from Al.

Bill Welch


Illinois Central GS gondolas questions

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I have a Detail Associates GS gon kit that I have for years planned
to build as an Illinois Central car, but until recently had no good
photos to work from. Within the space of few months, all of a sudden
I now have four:
94931 blt 8-53 with drop mechanisms in place-1955-Bob's Photo
96337 blt ? with drop mechanisms removed-1975-Bill Raia collection
98279 blt 4-52 with drop mechanisms removed-Nov. 1956-bob's Photo
99/// blt 2-40 with drop mechanisms removed-April 1959-bob' Photo

All of these are stenciled with an IL of 41' O" and capacity of 1947
cubic feet. 1955 ORER reveals these cars had an IH of 5 feet.

Except for the drop mechanisms being removed, all appear to be pretty
much as built. 99/// (I forgot to write the last digits) does have
retangular holes cut in the plate to which the sill steps are
attached, which look like another place for a foot. It also clearly
has the pre-war Dreadnaught ends, but I am not sure if the 1952 and
after cars have the postwar Improved Dreadnaught end.

BTW, these cars were classed "GB" by the IC. My intent is to build a
model of a 1940 example with the drop mechanisms in place. My problem
is that gons of the stenciled 1947 cu.ft. capacity do not show up in
the ORER's I own until the 1950's. Here is a summary of what I have
found.

1943 ORER 2 series a close match
82000-82719 IH & IL as above but w/1956 Cubic feet capacity
85000-85749 IH & IL as above but w/1956 Cubic feet capacity

1955 ORER 2 series an exact match
85000-85999 IH & IL as above w/1947 Cubic feet capacity
94000-95499 IH & IL as above w/1947 Cubic feet capacity

My conjecture is that the 1943 ORER capacity is in error. Also it
appears a renumbering occured. My questions are for one of these cars
in 1953, what number series would the 1940 built cars be in? Out of
curiosity I am also interested in who built these various series of
cars for the IC?

I am not interested in replys about why I am using the DA kit and not
the Red Caboose kit. If folks want to dicuss the merits of the two
kits, please change the subject line.

Bill Welch


Re: Dullcote problem/gun blush

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Mahlkov" <mahlkov@...> wrote:

Jared,

The cause is quite simple, it is the humidity in the air. As you
spray the
Dullcote, its temperature drops because the pressure in the can is
dropping.
This causes tiny droplets of moisture in the air to cling to the
droplets of
Dullcote, causing the "blushing" or "milky" spots.

I used to spray in a "Florida room" at the back to the house I
rented and
had to wait for an exceptionally dry day to spray Dullcote. Since
I built my
house, my spray painting is done in a heated and air conditioned
room above
the garage and I have had no further troubles with Dullcote from
a "spray
bomb"
Greg is exactly right. Spray painters call the defect he describes
gun blush. It happens when it's very humid. Droplets of moisture
condense on the cold, still wet paint. If the aerosol can of paint
chills down a lot that could make the problem worse.(Cans of air
brush propellant always did that for me).

Ed Mines


Re: Marklin/Trix R-40-14's

mopacfirst
 

Has anyone tried using the IM R-40-10 with Detail Associates white
plastic ends? These are the ends that were originally designed for
the Athearn car, and I know they're two or three scale inches too
narrow for the IM R-40-23 (I once thought about this conversion too,
but didn't do it).
The IM kit has the beveled corners to work with the square corner
ends, but the Detail Associates W-section end has its own rivets so
it might be possible to trim the sides back just a bit.
Or is this nuts?

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

David Ball asked:
"What is the quality/accuracy of the Marklin/Trix R-40-14's like?"

The running board discrepancy is minor compared to the ice hatches,
which are grossly undersized. <snip>

Ben Hom


Re: Intersting photos on ebay

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cascaderail <cascaderail@...> wrote:

Check this out for some Sinclair tank cars and a NYC cars shops photo
(scan down to see these items)

<http://cgi.ebay.com/RAILROAD-TRAINS-C-1922-16x22-Photos-Collection-
of-
7_W0QQitemZ6604938387QQcategoryZ35975QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI
tem>
A few very nice pics!!!!!!!!!!

Ed


Re: Dullcote blushing

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

I don't use Dullcote any more because I've switched to acrylic paints, and
Polly Scale Clear Flat is a good flat finish I can thin with distilled
water. When I did use Dullcote, though, I NEVER used a spray can (not since
about 1965, anyway). I bought my Dullcote in a bottle, thinned it with
ordinary (meaning dangerous!) lacquer thinner, and sprayed it with an
airbrush. That completely eliminated blushing problems. Well, there was that
time I tried weathering a Dullcote-sprayed car with turpentine and oil paint
washes, but that's another story.

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-11142


Welded tanks and knuckle radius

mopacfirst
 

Pat Wider posted a builders photo of UTLX 39150 in December. Now
I've looked at this thing more closely, versus all the ACF shots in
the Kaminski tank car book, and one more thing that I see is that the
knuckle radius on the heads is much larger on this car than on most
of the other welded tanks built during the late 40s - early 50s when
the welded tanks were first built. (Knuckle radius is a pressure
equipment term, the "knuckle" on a tank head being that part between
the tangent and the main semi-spherical portion of the head, you
might say the "corner".) The dome head on the other hand has a very
tight knuckle radius.
Question is, first, am I seeing this right? The apparent contour of
the tank handrail seems to bear it out. Second, is it a fair
conclusion that most of the early welded tanks had a really tight
knuckle radius like most riveted tanks did, and this is an anomaly or
an experiment? The heads on this car look to me like normal
ellipsoidal heads, which I should be able to get from Plastruct or
similar. By the way, the Red Caboose model has the really tight
radius heads and dome head.
It looks like by the mid-fifties, when the Kaminski tank car book
ends, the ellipsoidal head had become the normal choice. This makes
sense since the larger radii are better for resisting pressure and it
may be easier to press a head with the larger radius.

Comments?

Ron Merrick


Re: 2006 Rosemount RPM meet photos

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

my camera is a Canon 20D.

Erik Hyjek

nice photography Erik! Canon digital slr?

Tim O'Connor


Dullcote blushing

Doug Polinder
 

Mike Rose's article on using Dullcote and alcohol for blushing effects appeared in the July 2003 RMC.

Doug Polinder
Lowell MI


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Re: R-40-23 w/ diagonal panel roof?

jaley <jaley@...>
 

Thanks to Charles, Tony, Tim, and Andy for responding to my message. All
have said that there is no such animal as an R-40-23 with a dp roof.

Because this is a factory-assembled model, I will contact IM and see if
they will exchange it.

Regards,

-Jeff

On Feb 12, 7:15pm, Mr Charles burns wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] R-40-23 w/ diagonal panel roof?
Hello Jeff,All
I made some R-40-25s in N by kitbashing a diagonal
panel roof. The ends on the 25's have an extra small
rib at the top, and the dropsteps are a different
style, without the sidesill tab.
The Thompson PFE book {Bible on the cars!} shows all
of these features.
Charlie Burns
ESPEE coastline '64 in N.

--- jaley <jaley@pcocd2.intel.com> wrote:

I recently purchased a factory assembled HO scale IM
R-40-23.

I immediately noticed that the car has a diagonal
panel roof. The car is
lettered as an R-40-23.

My first thought was that IM had accidentally put
the wrong paint scheme
on an R-40-25 body, but the ends lack the extra top
rib of the R-40-25.

My question: was there any such car (R-40-23 w/
diagonal panel roof)? I
could not find one in Thompson, Church & Jones'
book.

I thought I'd double-check here before I contact IM
to see if I can get a
replacement.

Thanks,

-Jeff

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Re: R-40-23 w/ diagonal panel roof?

Mr Charles burns
 

Hello Jeff,All
I made some R-40-25s in N by kitbashing a diagonal
panel roof. The ends on the 25's have an extra small
rib at the top, and the dropsteps are a different
style, without the sidesill tab.
The Thompson PFE book {Bible on the cars!} shows all
of these features.
Charlie Burns
ESPEE coastline '64 in N.

--- jaley <jaley@pcocd2.intel.com> wrote:

I recently purchased a factory assembled HO scale IM
R-40-23.

I immediately noticed that the car has a diagonal
panel roof. The car is
lettered as an R-40-23.

My first thought was that IM had accidentally put
the wrong paint scheme
on an R-40-25 body, but the ends lack the extra top
rib of the R-40-25.

My question: was there any such car (R-40-23 w/
diagonal panel roof)? I
could not find one in Thompson, Church & Jones'
book.

I thought I'd double-check here before I contact IM
to see if I can get a
replacement.

Thanks,

-Jeff

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Re: 1943 Tank Car Ownerships

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Brown wrote:
Columbia Southern Chemical (SACX, PPGX)
No such company. SACX was Southern Alkali (50 cars), PPGX was
Pittsburgh Plate Glass, Columbia Chemical Div (PPGX and CACX 119
cars together). Did these maybe merge later to form Columbia
Southern?
Yes.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: UTLX.

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 12, 2006, at 12:28 PM, Arnold wrote:

I'm sorry.....my mistake.
I do mean the 2 revited types, 8.000 & 10.000 gallons.
To the best of my knowledge, UTLX did not own either 8K or 10K Type
27s. Certainly they didn't buy any new from AC&F, and I have never
seen photos of any UTLX Type 27s acquired 2nd hand.

Richard Hendrickson


KCS 15500-155599

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Greg's handout from Cocoa Beach says "freight car Red" for the body color.
Can anyone supply a good match for this car in Pollyscale, or other
waterbase paint.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


TC RPM

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I attended the Twin Cities Prototype modelers meet yesterday. I already posted a link to photos of some of the models displayed. What was the most amazing display to me was from "Rail Yard" models. Bob Rivard displayed some completed models, but the kits were unbelievable. I thought they were plastic models I would have never guessed they were resin castings. There's is no way, any of the resin kits I have seen even come close to the quality of "Rail Yard" . Too bad he only makes modern stuff...maybe not?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Sinclair Refining Tank Cars

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Bob Lucas wrote:

Note that tank car car counts for several large independent refiners
dropped off significantly in the post-war years. Curious, though,
about Sinclair Refining, which still owned 4,964 cars in 1954. Working with Al Westerfield's ORER on CD, I can only track down 336
ARA-II and ARA-III cars with FMTX (Sinclair Cuba Refining) reporting
marks. What happened to the (SDRX, UNPX, PARX) others? Were these
sold by Sinclair to one of the leasing firms?
UTLX bought the fleet from Sinclair.

Tim Gilbert


Sinclair Refining Tank Cars

Bob Lucas
 

Note that tank car car counts for several large independent refiners
dropped off significantly in the post-war years. Curious, though,
about Sinclair Refining, which still owned 4,964 cars in 1954.
Working with Al Westerfield's ORER on CD, I can only track down 336
ARA-II and ARA-III cars with FMTX (Sinclair Cuba Refining) reporting
marks. What happened to the (SDRX, UNPX, PARX) others? Were these
sold by Sinclair to one of the leasing firms? Bob Lucas


Re: delray connecting railroad

Bob Lucas
 

Bill, a short history of the Delray Connecting appeared some years ago
in the NMRA Division 4 (North Central Region) magazine. From what I
recall, the DCRR mostly performed industrial switching in the
downriver area of Detroit. There was a concentration of heavy
industry on Zug Island including Semet-Solvey Div. Allied Chemical
(who, I believe owned the DCRR for many years), Great Lakes Steel,
Detroit Edison and the U.S. Army's Fort Wayne depot. The Delray ran a
daily turn from Zug Island, the "stone run", until 1953 over the DT&I
to a nearby limestone quarry at Sibley. Presumably, that's how the
hoppers you mention were utilized. The DCRR is still around, though
the "rust belt" industry it served has pretty evaporated. Bob

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