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1920's SP Tank Cars

Gary E. Ray <garyeray@...>
 

Hi,

I'm looking for information on AC&F tank cars built for SP. According to
Kaminski's book (pg. 61) a lot (Lot #8358) of 400 cars as ordered. Looking
at my 1928 ORER, it shows 92 cars # 48100 to 48,199 that were part of that
lot.

Were the other cars #49,100 to 49399 (shows 295 cars in 1928)?

Were all the cars 12,611 gallons? What was the diameter and length of the
tank?

My Train Shed Cyc. #12 shows only 6000, 7000, 8000, and 10,000 gallons. Did
SP have any 8000 or 10000 gallon cars?

Does anyone have a lettering diagram for the side and ends during the 20's
(any time before 1927)? Various diagrams would be welcomed.

Photos anyone?



Thanks in advance for taking time to answer my questions.



Gary Ray


Re: Freight Car Trucks - when?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 19, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Jim, I can't speak for Richard, but I would say that things
aren't so cut and dried that you can specify exact dates for many of
the things you want to know. Introduction date of a particular truck,
sure; but widespread adoption date, a bit more fuzzy. Likewise, a date
when a ban went into effect is exact, but of course usage declined
before that; and some truck designs simply became obsolete or
superseded by better ones over a period of time. IMO you will just
have
to understand that "fuzziness" is part of the history.
Exactly. Or, rather, inexactly, which is why, in my fairly lengthy
post on this subject yesterday, as well as in the RPC 4 article, I did
not specify precise dates.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Truck Chronology

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 19, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Lee Dennegar wrote:

About Barber trucks: I have got a drawing of Erie
wooden trussrod boxcars in the 100000-101999 series
from the 1913 diagram book which notes the cars had
Barber trucks, but there is no illustration of them.
I'm sure they are not the same as Barber _stabilized_
trucks which Anthony mentioned (of which I have a
model photo; they are very distinctive, not to say
futuristic (jet-age) in appearance).

I am far from sure whether the ones in use in 1913 are
the Barber S2 design, which looks like a more-or-less
"generic" cast steel truck. Doesn't "S2" suggest it
wasn't the earliest design? Does the "S" stand for
"stabilized", which would put it circa 1930? If so,
what does the early Barber look like? Does anybody
have any light to throw on this question?
The Standard Car Truck Co. was founded in 1896 by John C. Barber, and
Standard has used the Barber name ever since (even down to the present
day) to identify all the various truck features to which it holds
patents. So the Barber name doesn't identify a particular design, but
any design or design feature developed by SCT. The Barber truck of
1913 bore no resemblance to the later Barber Stabilized designs that
first appeared in the 1930s.

BTW, other similar cars from the 1913 book have
Archbar or Fox trucks, but none seem to have had
Andrews trucks (although not every drawing has the
type of truck noted). Weren't Andrews trucks in use in
1913?
Andrews trucks of various types were extensively used by 1913.

I need to learn a lot more about trucks, or stop
obsessing so much :^) Maybe I'm also obsessing too
much about draft gear (what's the difference between
Miner Friction and Sessions Friction with Farlow
Attachments?)
Though the information isn't of much use to modelers, draft gear design
is extensively described and illustrated in the various editions of the
Car Builders' Cyclopedias, if you can find a library that has a full
set of them from the steam/transition era.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: 65' AAR mill gon questions

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Ted Culotta wrote:

Can anyone provide build info for the following:

L&N - 25100-25299 - built Pressed Steel Car Co., 1948 - what month(s)
were they constructed?
Can't help on this one; the L&N car diagram doesn't show months of
construction, only years, and I don't have a photo of a car in this
series on which a built date might be readable.

NC&StL - 41000-41024 Class GB20 (I think) - who was the builder and
what month(s) and year were they built?
Built 1-49 by the Pressed Steel Car Co., according to the NC&StL
diagram book.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Discount hobby shop

pdsteam@...
 

Try this one, I have had good luck with him and his prices for a while.
Nice web site and prices are usually 20-23% off. He has a presidents day sale
on right now where you can take an additional 5% off. No affiliation just a
satisfied customer.
_http://blueridgehobbies.com_ (http://blueridgehobbies.com/)

PeteC

In a message dated 2/19/2006 7:59:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jimandlisa97225@verizon.net writes:

My usual on-line mail order discount hobby dealer has stopped taking orders
while he recovers from chemotherapy. I need a replacement.
My current dealer offers usually about a 20% discount, reasonably quick
service, and a modest shipping charge. Most things I want, usually about 75%
detail parts, are available from Walthers.

I know this has been brought up before but I didn't need a dealer so didn't
pay much attention. I've searched back in the messages for almost 2 years.

Recommendations please.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


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Re: Freight Car Trucks - when?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jim Betz wrote:
Tony and others,
I just read thru the RP Cyc #4 article and it is "big on spotting
characteristics but not so big on dates". I was able to get some
dates out of it but I'd really like to have more precise info - and
then lay it out in some kind of table/graph that shows when trucks
of a particular design were actually in both production and use ...
and when they weren't.
Richard H. - are you out there? Do you have a table/graph you would
like to share? There are a lot of dates in Cyc #4 that are given as
"in the first decade" and similar fuzziness. It's been over 5 years
since Cyc #4 was published and a bit longer since you developed your
clinic. Do you have additional info now?
Jim, I can't speak for Richard, but I would say that things aren't so cut and dried that you can specify exact dates for many of the things you want to know. Introduction date of a particular truck, sure; but widespread adoption date, a bit more fuzzy. Likewise, a date when a ban went into effect is exact, but of course usage declined before that; and some truck designs simply became obsolete or superseded by better ones over a period of time. IMO you will just have to understand that "fuzziness" is part of the history.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: John Ryczkowski

Andy Carlson
 

--- Patrick Wider <pwider@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Does anyone have an e-mail address for John
Ryczkowski? If so, please contact me off-list.
I'm currently researching Linde box/tank cars.
Thanks.

Pat Wider






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John Ryczkowski

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Does anyone have an e-mail address for John Ryczkowski? If so, please contact me off-list.
I'm currently researching Linde box/tank cars. Thanks.

Pat Wider


Re: interesting techique

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...>
 

This process is usually known as electroforming: I seem to remember it being
advocated in the one of the UK magazines in the seventies as an alternative
to etching. In fact you could probably do it at home with a copper sulphate
solution and a simple DC power supply and get lovely copper ends or even
sides for cars like gondolas - copper would be really easy to distress with
a selection of small blunt instruments to give that well used look.



Rather than using neat bismuth its probably easier to get hold of Cerrobend
(Woods Metal) to make the one-shot electroforming moulds from your masters
it should eb available from engineering suppliers.



Aidrian

Wondering about the state of the world when the spell checker wants me to
replace sulphate with caliphate

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I was reading an issue of Fine Scale Modeler and there was an article in
which a modeler made
castings out of bismith and then had them plated. Afterwards, he melted out
the bismith and used the
resulting plated metal shapes.




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Re: Link to Dave Hussey's 2006 Cocoa Beach photos wanted

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Rob Adams wrote:

The link is <http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/coco06>
It will also be on the Steam Freight Cars Site later today.
Thanks very much, Rob.

Tom Madden


Re: Red Caboose Ho WFEX Reefer Kits For Sale

Tim O'Connor
 

Frank, you ought to sell 'em both! Instead get the new Intermountain
FGE/WFE wood reefer when it is released later this year. The Red Caboose
is a PFE through and through.

Tim O'Connor

In an unexplained "senior moment" I find I have somehow wound up with
two duplicate Red Caboose HO WFEX/GN reefer kits from their latest
production run. Kit numbers are RC-4448-27 and -32. The
corresponding car numbers are 67055 and 67141. I am making these
available for sale at $15.00 each plus actual shipping cost to your
ZIP Code. Feel free to buy one or both cars. If interested, please
respond directly to me at: parkvarieties@provide.net
Thanks.
Frank Brua


Re: Freight Car Trucks - when?

Jim Betz
 

Tony and others,
I just read thru the RP Cyc #4 article and it is "big on spotting
characteristics but not so big on dates". I was able to get some
dates out of it but I'd really like to have more precise info - and
then lay it out in some kind of table/graph that shows when trucks
of a particular design were actually in both production and use ...
and when they weren't.
Richard H. - are you out there? Do you have a table/graph you would
like to share? There are a lot of dates in Cyc #4 that are given as
"in the first decade" and similar fuzziness. It's been over 5 years
since Cyc #4 was published and a bit longer since you developed your
clinic. Do you have additional info now?
- Jim B. in San Jose


Re: Link to Dave Hussey's 2006 Cocoa Beach photos wanted

Rob Adams
 

Tom;

The link is <http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/coco06> It will also be on the Steam Freight Cars Site later today.

Best regards, Rob

pullmanboss wrote:

Can't find the link to Dave Hussey's 2006 Prototype Rails photo site.
Can someone please re-post it?

Thanks,

Tom Madden
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Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net
Modeling CB&Q, CRI&P and Wabash operations in Keokuk, IA,
the Wabash Bluffs, IL to Keokuk branch, and the CB&Q's Keokuk & Western branch, circa 1938
<http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>


Link to Dave Hussey's 2006 Cocoa Beach photos wanted

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Can't find the link to Dave Hussey's 2006 Prototype Rails photo site.
Can someone please re-post it?

Thanks,

Tom Madden


LPG tank car use

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

I have a question about LPG tank cars and how they were used. If a company purchased or leased a handful of cars would they generally use them for delivery of product to their own customers or to receive product themselves that would then be shipped to customers via another means. In particular, I am trying to determine if a company had one or two LPG cars, would those cars generally be used to bring LPG to them or to bring LPG to their customers? See example at http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/tank/acf/lgx500main.html. Would Lehigh have used this to receive or deliver LPG?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


65' AAR mill gon questions

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

Can anyone provide build info for the following:

L&N - 25100-25299 - built Pressed Steel Car Co., 1948 - what month(s) were they constructed?
NC&StL - 41000-41024 Class GB20 (I think) - who was the builder and what month(s) and year were they built?

Thank you.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Red Caboose Ho WFEX Reefer Kits For Sale

parkvarieties <parkvarieties@...>
 

In an unexplained "senior moment" I find I have somehow wound up with
two duplicate Red Caboose HO WFEX/GN reefer kits from their latest
production run. Kit numbers are RC-4448-27 and -32. The
corresponding car numbers are 67055 and 67141. I am making these
available for sale at $15.00 each plus actual shipping cost to your
ZIP Code. Feel free to buy one or both cars. If interested, please
respond directly to me at: parkvarieties@provide.net
Thanks.
Frank Brua


Re: interesting techique

jerryglow2
 

Some roads (I know MP did) converted old boxcars into pulpwood flats
so the 2 sided detail on the ends would be critical for the right
look. Doors would be another thing if modeling them open.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Eric <newyorkcentralfan@...> wrote:

I was reading an issue of Fine Scale Modeler and there was an
article in which a modeler made
castings out of bismith and then had them plated. Afterwards, he
melted out the bismith and used the
resulting plated metal shapes.

I thought this might be a useful techique for freight car
modeling. How about using it to make
replacement pressed steel car ends? Anyone have any other ideas?

Eric Petersson


Re: Truck Chronology

leedennegar
 

Anthony and everybody:

Thanks for the info on trucks and their chronology.
I've been looking for this info myself, am glad to
learn anything I can. I've been trying to learn to
recognize different types of trucks by collecting pics
and data off the net, but am still very far from an
expert.

About Barber trucks: I have got a drawing of Erie
wooden trussrod boxcars in the 100000-101999 series
from the 1913 diagram book which notes the cars had
Barber trucks, but there is no illustration of them.
I'm sure they are not the same as Barber _stabilized_
trucks which Anthony mentioned (of which I have a
model photo; they are very distinctive, not to say
futuristic (jet-age) in appearance).

I am far from sure whether the ones in use in 1913 are
the Barber S2 design, which looks like a more-or-less
"generic" cast steel truck. Doesn't "S2" suggest it
wasn't the earliest design? Does the "S" stand for
"stabilized", which would put it circa 1930? If so,
what does the early Barber look like? Does anybody
have any light to throw on this question?

BTW, other similar cars from the 1913 book have
Archbar or Fox trucks, but none seem to have had
Andrews trucks (although not every drawing has the
type of truck noted). Weren't Andrews trucks in use in
1913?
I need to learn a lot more about trucks, or stop
obsessing so much :^) Maybe I'm also obsessing too
much about draft gear (what's the difference between
Miner Friction and Sessions Friction with Farlow
Attachments?)

I would like, though, to have better knowlege of the
different roof types on boxcars. Does anybody know of
a good reference on this subject?

Thanks in advance, and for everything else I've
learned on this list.

Thanks

Lee Dennegar
Piscataway NJ (Between the CNJ and the LV, not far
from the Port Reading branch)



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Re: Fact, Fiction, Truth or Myth

Richard White
 

Dear Jim,
I don't model in P87 or Scale4 (the 1:76 equivalent) but I know several
people who do and I've seen and been allowed to operate their layouts.
HO scale freight car trucks are sufficiently short wheelbase that they do
not need to be sprung (or compensated, which is the alternative. Passenger
car trucks probably should be sprung or compensated and steam locomotives
MUST be sprung or compensated, otherwise they will certainly fall off the
track. On cars the trucks must be able to rock sufficiently to enable the
car to adjust to changes in grade and slight imperfections in the track etc.
They should rock fore and aft at one end and from side to side at the other.
I hope this helps
Richard White



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