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Re: Discount hobby shop

Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
 

Try Karl at:



KDC Model Trains

915 Hopkins Center

Hopkins, Minnesota 55343

(952)-938-5456

mailto:eagle-eye@usinternet.com

http://www.kdc-trains.com/



He does most of his business on eBay. His web sight is hopelessly out of
date as a result. He is usually in his shop 1 pm to 9 pm, often later. He is
exactly what you are looking for. As long as emails (after the sale)
indicate what you bought and where you want to be sent, his service is
great. He gets emails with no info in them; he is not a mind reader. He
ships Priority mail daily.



Doug Brown

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim
and Lisa Hayes
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:59 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Discount hobby shop



My usual on-line mail order discount hobby dealer has stopped taking orders

while he recovers from chemotherapy. I need a replacement.

My current dealer offers usually about a 20% discount, reasonably quick

service, and a modest shipping charge. Most things I want, usually about 75%

detail parts, are available from Walthers.



I know this has been brought up before but I didn't need a dealer so didn't

pay much attention. I've searched back in the messages for almost 2 years.



Recommendations please.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon









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Re: Freight Car Trucks - when?

Jim Betz
 

Richard and Tony,
Thanks for the help. Both for helping me to understand
"fuzziness" correctly on this topic and Richard for your
very helpful summary of the article in RP Cyc #4.
Every bit helps ... sometimes I am too focused on the
details, sometimes not enough. As you may have guessed
the purpose behind my questions is to figure out which
trucks to put on which freight cars ... and also how to
do a better job of selecting cars for a particular era.
The club I'm a member of has a wide variety of op session
themes - so one month we might be running all steam and
the next the 70's and the next the transition. And it is
all too frequent that I make a mistake and get 'busted'
by the prototype cops. I'm trying not to trust the details
that a particular manufacturer selects to include in a kit.
Some are very good (Westerfield and Sunshine for instance)
and others seem to make a lot of "good enough" decisions
(or maybe they don't even know themselves and/or don't
do the research). It certainly would help if those makers
who are attempting to represent a particular car would
include info such as " ... as equipped in 19__ when this
car had been rebuilt and the trucks were replaced and
the paint scheme was changed from ____ to _____ ...". Or
even just a photo of the car or cars from that sequence
and the date that the photo was taken.
But then I'd be doing less research and although my
models would be more accurate - I'd know less ... not
something that is consistent with my personal goals and
sources of satisfaction in this hobby (mania?).

I remain in your debt ... thanks again. Jim in San Jose

P.S. Richard - I was probably writing my "not too hot on
dates" just about the same time as you were doing
your very well written summary. I had not seen your
reply when I wrote that and so please understand
when it was written and what I had seen when I wrote
it. I'm on "daily digest" for STMFC.

IMO you will just have to understand that "fuzziness" is
part of the history.
Exactly. Or, rather, inexactly, which is why, in my fairly lengthy
post on this subject yesterday, as well as in the RPC 4 article, I
did not specify precise dates.
Richard Hendrickson


Re: Freight Car Trucks >>> Ends & Doors

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

TimCostello wrote:
With the discussion of freight trucks and mention of RPC #4 as a
comprehensive reference, I'd like to ask if there is a similar
comprehensive review of (boxcar) ends, and boxcar doors.
The original reference on ends, and still the standard, is by Frank Peacock: The Streamliner (UPHS publication), Vol. 1, No. 2, April, 1985, page 5. There have been a couple of others on doors. There is also a summary in my Volume 3 on SP freight cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Discount hobby shop

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

My usual on-line mail order discount hobby dealer has stopped taking orders
while he recovers from chemotherapy. I need a replacement.
My current dealer offers usually about a 20% discount, reasonably quick
service, and a modest shipping charge. Most things I want, usually about 75%
detail parts, are available from Walthers.

I know this has been brought up before but I didn't need a dealer so didn't
pay much attention. I've searched back in the messages for almost 2 years.

Recommendations please.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Freight Car Trucks >>> Ends & Doors

Timothy Costello
 

Steamfreightlisters:

With the discussion of freight trucks and mention of RPC #4 as a comprehensive reference, I'd like to ask if there is a similar comprehensive review of (boxcar) ends, and boxcar doors.

I'd appreciate any info you guys can share.

Sincerely,
Tim Costello


Re: AC&F SP Type 21 tank cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gary E. Ray wrote:
I'm looking for information on AC&F tank cars built for SP. According to
Kaminski's book (pg. 61) a lot (Lot #8358) of 400 cars as ordered. Looking
at my 1928 ORER, it shows 92 cars # 48100 to 48,199 that were part of that
lot. Were the other cars #49,100 to 49399 (shows 295 cars in 1928)?
Gary, of that car order of 400 cars, Class O-50-7, 100 were for Pacific Lines (48100-48199) and the balance went to Atlantic Lines, shared among ML&T, LW, and GH&SA. If you want car numbers for those, please ask.

Were all the cars 12,611 gallons? What was the diameter and length of the
tank?
Every tank car in those days was slightly different due to the riveting assembly. SP published gallonage tables to give exact values for each car; so did most tank car owners. Nominal capacity was 12,500 gallons.

My Train Shed Cyc. #12 shows only 6000, 7000, 8000, and 10,000 gallons. Did
SP have any 8000 or 10000 gallon cars?
Not Type 21. Much later they did have an 8000-gallon class, but built by General American, not AC&F. And please note, Gary, that Class O-50-7 was built in 1917-1918 and thus cannot have been Type 21.

Does anyone have a lettering diagram for the side and ends during the 20's
(any time before 1927)? Various diagrams would be welcomed.
Yes. They will be in my Volume 5. If you have special needs, contact me off-list.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 65' AAR mill gon questions

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sunday, February 19, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Ted Culotta wrote:

L&N - 25100-25299 - built Pressed Steel Car Co., 1948 - what month(s)
were they constructed?
Ted,
The 1948 Railway Age order list shows the cars as being ordered in
April 1948 and delivery beginning in December 1948. There's a pretty
good photo of 25145 in the L&N Color Guide Volume 1 by Steve Johnson.
The photo caption states 12-48 as the build date for this car,
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: hoppers in interchange,

armprem
 

Agreed Ben,but we can never say never .<g> Armand Premo

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Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: hoppers in interchange,


Jim Mischke wrote:
"The main restrictions in the early fifties were on N&W, VGN, L&N,
and C&O hoppers. These hoppers were mandated to go home directly
empty. Also WM."

Armand Premo responded:
"There is plenty of documentation that indicates this rule was
frequently ignored."

Maybe so, but your own Rutland data shows that cars from these roads
were very uncommon among cars providing company coal:

1106 total foreign road hoppers
N&W: 5
VGN: 0
L&N: 1
C&O: 3
WM: 13


Ben Hom








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Draft gear design (prototype)

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

Though the information isn't of much use to modelers, draft gear design
is extensively described and illustrated in the various editions of the
Car Builders' Cyclopedias, if you can find a library that has a full
set of them from the steam/transition era.

Richard Hendrickson
About the only one that is really noteworthy is the Cardwell design from the twenties and thirties that used the prominent transverse coil springs; modelers who use scale width draft gear can easily model the springs with Kadee coupler springs and NBW castings. These were common enough at one time that many drawings show the slots in the draft sills for the Cardwell springs. Especially noticeable on tank cars, and I believe UTLX was a big user.

As for the other designs all one really needs to model is the Draft Gear Yoke, which is molded in relief on the Accumate PROTO:HO box. The draft gear itself is completely hidden inside the yoke from any angle unless the coupler and yoke are dropped out of the car.

One thing that surprised me recently when measuring a prototype car was that keyless coupler attachments, as were common before WWI, lasted quite late on some freight cars; several of the Soo Line boxcars out at the Illinois Railway Museum still have the original design draft stops that lack a provision for one or more draft keys, and these cars, with their AAR Type D couplers, were in revenue service into the sixties before being relegated to work service.

Modeling prototype couplers and draft gear is truly the final frontier of freight car modeling :-)


Dennis Storzek
Big Rock, IL


Re: hoppers in interchange,

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jim Mischke wrote:
"The main restrictions in the early fifties were on N&W, VGN, L&N,
and C&O hoppers. These hoppers were mandated to go home directly
empty. Also WM."

Armand Premo responded:
"There is plenty of documentation that indicates this rule was
frequently ignored."

Maybe so, but your own Rutland data shows that cars from these roads
were very uncommon among cars providing company coal:

1106 total foreign road hoppers
N&W: 5
VGN: 0
L&N: 1
C&O: 3
WM: 13


Ben Hom


1920's SP Tank Cars

Gary E. Ray <garyeray@...>
 

Hi,

I'm looking for information on AC&F tank cars built for SP. According to
Kaminski's book (pg. 61) a lot (Lot #8358) of 400 cars as ordered. Looking
at my 1928 ORER, it shows 92 cars # 48100 to 48,199 that were part of that
lot.

Were the other cars #49,100 to 49399 (shows 295 cars in 1928)?

Were all the cars 12,611 gallons? What was the diameter and length of the
tank?

My Train Shed Cyc. #12 shows only 6000, 7000, 8000, and 10,000 gallons. Did
SP have any 8000 or 10000 gallon cars?

Does anyone have a lettering diagram for the side and ends during the 20's
(any time before 1927)? Various diagrams would be welcomed.

Photos anyone?



Thanks in advance for taking time to answer my questions.



Gary Ray


Re: Freight Car Trucks - when?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 19, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Jim, I can't speak for Richard, but I would say that things
aren't so cut and dried that you can specify exact dates for many of
the things you want to know. Introduction date of a particular truck,
sure; but widespread adoption date, a bit more fuzzy. Likewise, a date
when a ban went into effect is exact, but of course usage declined
before that; and some truck designs simply became obsolete or
superseded by better ones over a period of time. IMO you will just
have
to understand that "fuzziness" is part of the history.
Exactly. Or, rather, inexactly, which is why, in my fairly lengthy
post on this subject yesterday, as well as in the RPC 4 article, I did
not specify precise dates.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Truck Chronology

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 19, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Lee Dennegar wrote:

About Barber trucks: I have got a drawing of Erie
wooden trussrod boxcars in the 100000-101999 series
from the 1913 diagram book which notes the cars had
Barber trucks, but there is no illustration of them.
I'm sure they are not the same as Barber _stabilized_
trucks which Anthony mentioned (of which I have a
model photo; they are very distinctive, not to say
futuristic (jet-age) in appearance).

I am far from sure whether the ones in use in 1913 are
the Barber S2 design, which looks like a more-or-less
"generic" cast steel truck. Doesn't "S2" suggest it
wasn't the earliest design? Does the "S" stand for
"stabilized", which would put it circa 1930? If so,
what does the early Barber look like? Does anybody
have any light to throw on this question?
The Standard Car Truck Co. was founded in 1896 by John C. Barber, and
Standard has used the Barber name ever since (even down to the present
day) to identify all the various truck features to which it holds
patents. So the Barber name doesn't identify a particular design, but
any design or design feature developed by SCT. The Barber truck of
1913 bore no resemblance to the later Barber Stabilized designs that
first appeared in the 1930s.

BTW, other similar cars from the 1913 book have
Archbar or Fox trucks, but none seem to have had
Andrews trucks (although not every drawing has the
type of truck noted). Weren't Andrews trucks in use in
1913?
Andrews trucks of various types were extensively used by 1913.

I need to learn a lot more about trucks, or stop
obsessing so much :^) Maybe I'm also obsessing too
much about draft gear (what's the difference between
Miner Friction and Sessions Friction with Farlow
Attachments?)
Though the information isn't of much use to modelers, draft gear design
is extensively described and illustrated in the various editions of the
Car Builders' Cyclopedias, if you can find a library that has a full
set of them from the steam/transition era.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: 65' AAR mill gon questions

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Ted Culotta wrote:

Can anyone provide build info for the following:

L&N - 25100-25299 - built Pressed Steel Car Co., 1948 - what month(s)
were they constructed?
Can't help on this one; the L&N car diagram doesn't show months of
construction, only years, and I don't have a photo of a car in this
series on which a built date might be readable.

NC&StL - 41000-41024 Class GB20 (I think) - who was the builder and
what month(s) and year were they built?
Built 1-49 by the Pressed Steel Car Co., according to the NC&StL
diagram book.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Discount hobby shop

pdsteam@...
 

Try this one, I have had good luck with him and his prices for a while.
Nice web site and prices are usually 20-23% off. He has a presidents day sale
on right now where you can take an additional 5% off. No affiliation just a
satisfied customer.
_http://blueridgehobbies.com_ (http://blueridgehobbies.com/)

PeteC

In a message dated 2/19/2006 7:59:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jimandlisa97225@verizon.net writes:

My usual on-line mail order discount hobby dealer has stopped taking orders
while he recovers from chemotherapy. I need a replacement.
My current dealer offers usually about a 20% discount, reasonably quick
service, and a modest shipping charge. Most things I want, usually about 75%
detail parts, are available from Walthers.

I know this has been brought up before but I didn't need a dealer so didn't
pay much attention. I've searched back in the messages for almost 2 years.

Recommendations please.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


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Re: Freight Car Trucks - when?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jim Betz wrote:
Tony and others,
I just read thru the RP Cyc #4 article and it is "big on spotting
characteristics but not so big on dates". I was able to get some
dates out of it but I'd really like to have more precise info - and
then lay it out in some kind of table/graph that shows when trucks
of a particular design were actually in both production and use ...
and when they weren't.
Richard H. - are you out there? Do you have a table/graph you would
like to share? There are a lot of dates in Cyc #4 that are given as
"in the first decade" and similar fuzziness. It's been over 5 years
since Cyc #4 was published and a bit longer since you developed your
clinic. Do you have additional info now?
Jim, I can't speak for Richard, but I would say that things aren't so cut and dried that you can specify exact dates for many of the things you want to know. Introduction date of a particular truck, sure; but widespread adoption date, a bit more fuzzy. Likewise, a date when a ban went into effect is exact, but of course usage declined before that; and some truck designs simply became obsolete or superseded by better ones over a period of time. IMO you will just have to understand that "fuzziness" is part of the history.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: John Ryczkowski

Andy Carlson
 

--- Patrick Wider <pwider@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Does anyone have an e-mail address for John
Ryczkowski? If so, please contact me off-list.
I'm currently researching Linde box/tank cars.
Thanks.

Pat Wider






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John Ryczkowski

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Does anyone have an e-mail address for John Ryczkowski? If so, please contact me off-list.
I'm currently researching Linde box/tank cars. Thanks.

Pat Wider


Re: interesting techique

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...>
 

This process is usually known as electroforming: I seem to remember it being
advocated in the one of the UK magazines in the seventies as an alternative
to etching. In fact you could probably do it at home with a copper sulphate
solution and a simple DC power supply and get lovely copper ends or even
sides for cars like gondolas - copper would be really easy to distress with
a selection of small blunt instruments to give that well used look.



Rather than using neat bismuth its probably easier to get hold of Cerrobend
(Woods Metal) to make the one-shot electroforming moulds from your masters
it should eb available from engineering suppliers.



Aidrian

Wondering about the state of the world when the spell checker wants me to
replace sulphate with caliphate

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I was reading an issue of Fine Scale Modeler and there was an article in
which a modeler made
castings out of bismith and then had them plated. Afterwards, he melted out
the bismith and used the
resulting plated metal shapes.




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Re: Link to Dave Hussey's 2006 Cocoa Beach photos wanted

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Rob Adams wrote:

The link is <http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/coco06>
It will also be on the Steam Freight Cars Site later today.
Thanks very much, Rob.

Tom Madden

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