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Re: Freight Car Trucks >>> Ends & Doors

Larry Kline
 

Another source I should have mentioned is the article on 10 ft IH
postwar boxcars in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Vol. 8.
http://geocities.com/rpcyc/v8.html

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

On Feb 20, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Larry Kline wrote:

Tim Costello asked:
With the discussion of freight trucks and mention of RPC #4 as a
comprehensive reference, I'd like to ask if there is a similar
comprehensive review of (boxcar) ends, and boxcar doors.

and Tim O'Connor replied:
A good starting point is Ed Hawkins' AAR box car article, RMJ 10/1999,
in which he describes many varieties of doors ends and roofs applied
to box cars of the post war period. John Nehrich published a number of
articles in Mainline Modeler from 1983 to 1986 on box car ends. But I
don't know of any single reference analogous to the RPC freight car
trucks article.

Another source is _Freight Car Models, Vol. II Box Cars, Book 1_, a
collection of articles from Rail Model Journal ca. 1989-90 that
includes nomenclature on ends and doors and many prototype photos.
Ordering info can be found on the RMJ web site at:
http://www.railmodeljournal.com/mainsite/Pages/subscribe.html

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: Freight Car Trucks >>> Ends & Doors

Larry Kline
 

Tim Costello asked:
With the discussion of freight trucks and mention of RPC #4 as a
comprehensive reference, I'd like to ask if there is a similar
comprehensive review of (boxcar) ends, and boxcar doors.

and Tim O'Connor replied:
A good starting point is Ed Hawkins' AAR box car article, RMJ 10/1999,
in which he describes many varieties of doors ends and roofs applied to
box cars of the post war period. John Nehrich published a number of
articles in Mainline Modeler from 1983 to 1986 on box car ends. But I
don't know of any single reference analogous to the RPC freight car
trucks article.

Another source is _Freight Car Models, Vol. II Box Cars, Book 1_, a
collection of articles from Rail Model Journal ca. 1989-90 that
includes nomenclature on ends and doors and many prototype photos.
Ordering info can be found on the RMJ web site at:
http://www.railmodeljournal.com/mainsite/Pages/subscribe.html

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


B&O 50' Branchline cars

mopacfirst
 

I've put off building any Branchline 50' B&O cars until now, since as
soon as I did research on these I realized they would be more
complicated than average.
References: Ed Hawkins articles in RMJ, November 98 and August 99,
and a couple of photos of similar classes on rr-fallenflags.org.
Now for the questions: B&O 282000-282149, M-61, and 299300-299326, M-
61B, are 8' door riveted box, more or less Branchline out-of-the-box
except for Duryea underframe and Morton running board, and minor
changes to the sill tabs. I can't really tell how many crossties
there are, the deep ones that run under the centersill, but I'm
guessing four. Is this right or are there six? Is the triple valve
located under the left edge of the door? Are there any photos that
show this better? And, are these just about the last (maybe only)
50' box built with Duryea underframe? Were these cars mostly captive
or, especially a few years after being built, were they free-
runners? Did they get converted into anything else, within the
timeframe of this list?
B&O 288000-288698, M-65 double door. These don't seem to be Duryea
underframe. Did they have Morton running board?
Anything else useful to note about these cars?

Ron Merrick


Re: Image Of Fruit Growers Express Car

Tim O'Connor
 

Nice car. I notice that it has two different trucks.

Tim O.

At 12:42 AM 2/20/2006, you wrote:
A good roster shot of an early Fruit Growers Express refrigerator car
from the Henry Ford Museum collection is available at:

http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/pic/2005/august.asp#


Re: body putty

armprem
 

I have used auto body putty with great success.It is much cheaper
too.Squadron green and/or white putties are also very good.Hope this helps.
.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...>
To: <stmfc@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] body putty


I need to do some filling along the bottom sill of a some boxcars. I tried
to use some Testors Body Putty, but found upon drying, the putty didn't
stand up to filling and handling. It worked fine in other areas between
seams. I am looking for some advice on what you guys use on free or
exposed
edges.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY




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Re: Image Of Fruit Growers Express Car

John Degnan <seaboardrrman@...>
 

Folks, I have just uploaded some photos of a FGEX car that I recently took at the Central of Georgia Roundhouse complex in Savannah, GA to the photos section. This car was either bought, donated or rescued by the Historic Society and moved here for display... and hopefully for restoration eventually. She's not in too bad-a-shape for a girl her age. Have a look in the FGEX 57826 album in the photos section. Hope you like'em!


John Degnan
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Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:
A good roster shot of an early Fruit Growers Express refrigerator car
from the Henry Ford Museum collection is available at:

http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/pic/2005/august.asp#

Click on the image to enlarge it. This is listed as the "Picture of
the Month" so it may only be available for a few more days.

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Re: Subject: interesting techique Digest Number 2987

Tom <Konnichi-wa@...>
 

Eric Petersson wrote "I was reading an issue of Fine Scale Modeler and there
was an article in which a modeler made castings out of bismith and then had
them plated........".
Would you please be so kind as to tell me which issue of
FSC you were reading?
Many thanks! Tom Hartman


Re: body putty

Andy Carlson
 

Kinda like what I do...., place my desk lamp close to
the surface, leave on for about an hour.
-Andy Carlson

--- ljack70117@... wrote:
AC wrote: Down

side????
Waiting 4 hours to cure.
Put it in an oven at 100/120 degrees and it will
harden faster.


Image Of Fruit Growers Express Car

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

A good roster shot of an early Fruit Growers Express refrigerator car
from the Henry Ford Museum collection is available at:

http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/pic/2005/august.asp#

Click on the image to enlarge it. This is listed as the "Picture of
the Month" so it may only be available for a few more days.

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/


Re: Coke Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

David Smith wrote:
The iron ores in both places were magnetite and so the fine
sizes of unsintered ore would have had this really annoying tendency to
stick to metal objects, such as hopper cars.
I don't think so. Natural magnetite can be magnetized with a strong field, but isn't particularly attracted to iron by itself. Any such effect would be weak, compared to fine-particle effects themselves. We've all seen dust cling to things without any magnetism involved.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: body putty

ljack70117@...
 

On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:43 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Devcon 5 ton white epoxy, also available under Ace
Hardware House brand. Has a hardness similar to
styrene, which makes sanding a real joy. Down side????
Waiting 4 hours to cure.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Put it in an oven at 100/120 degrees and it will harden faster.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...


Re: Freight Car Trucks >>> Ends & Doors

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim, a good starting point is Ed Hawkins' AAR box car article,
RMJ 10/1999, in which he describes many varieties of doors ends
and roofs applied to box cars of the post war period. John
Nehrich published a number of articles in Mainline Modeler from
1983 to 1986 on box car ends. But I don't know of any single
reference analogous to the RPC freight car trucks article.

Tim O'Connor

At 07:47 PM 2/19/2006, you wrote:
Steamfreightlisters:

With the discussion of freight trucks and mention of RPC #4 as a
comprehensive reference, I'd like to ask if there is a similar
comprehensive review of (boxcar) ends, and boxcar doors.

I'd appreciate any info you guys can share.

Sincerely,
Tim Costello


Re: body putty

Andy Carlson
 

Devcon 5 ton white epoxy, also available under Ace
Hardware House brand. Has a hardness similar to
styrene, which makes sanding a real joy. Down side????
Waiting 4 hours to cure.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote:

I need to do some filling along the bottom sill of a
some boxcars. I tried
to use some Testors Body Putty, but found upon
drying, the putty didn't
stand up to filling and handling. It worked fine in
other areas between
seams. I am looking for some advice on what you guys
use on free or exposed
edges.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY




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Re: body putty

Jerry Dziedzic
 

I need to do some filling along the bottom sill of a some boxcars.
Brian, what has been reliable for me is repairing the affected area
with styrene strip. File/notch/carve a rectangular shape that
surrounds the affected area. Fit a suitably-sized length of styrene
strip. Take care that the exposed surface fits flush, in the same
plane, as the undamaged surface. True up the edge of the sill with a
file, and use the body putty to smooth the seams between the styrene
and the undamaged surface.


Jerry Dziedzic
Pattenburg, NJ


Re: Coke Cars

David Smith <dsmith@...>
 

Thanks, Justin, I can actually shed some light on the ore issue, at
least at Tahawus and Lyon Mountain. In both places, the ore crushed,
passed through separators, which used magnetic fields, flotation and
screening in various combinations to yield sized ore concentrate and
waste (which, from Lyon Mountain, at least, was used as construction
aggregate and ballast). The concentrated ore was then mixed with coal
and fired to produce coarsely clumped sintered ore, which was easier to
handle. The iron ores in both places were magnetite and so the fine
sizes of unsintered ore would have had this really annoying tendency to
stick to metal objects, such as hopper cars. No actual smelting was
done at either location. Lyon Mountain ores were smelted at the
Standish furnace until the 1930s, after which they went to Port Henry or
farther afield. Since posting my first note, I have read that
Standish/Lyon Mountain iron was renowned for its low phosphorous content
(function of the ore) and low sulfur content ( function of the fuel - at
first charcoal and then coke) so they might indeed have brought in coke
from a distance to keep the sulfur content down. There's a lot of info
on the ore and the ore cars on the RPI site. There were special ore
cars on all the D&H ore lines, but they also used regular hoppers and a
number of pictures exist of hoppers with ore loads that do not even
extend above the internal bracing.

Dave Smith

David L. Smith, Ph.D.
Director of Professional Development
Da Vinci Discovery Center, Allentown, PA

http://www.davinci-center.org <http://www.davinci-center.org/>

"Who will pick up where Leonardo left off?"

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Justin Kahn
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Coke Cars




I wish I knew more about the Lake Champlain and Moriah from Mineville
into
Port Henry. I visited the abandoned right of way and photographed the
derelict enginehouse and also followed the Chateauguay (and Ausable
Forks)
branch (es) while I was stationed at Plattsburgh AFB in the mid-1980's.

Otherwise, I have bits and pieces of references, including some views of
the
LC&M steam locomotives and one fuzzy snapshot of the EMD switchers
(lettered
Republic Steel) that replaced them. I was not clear that the ore from
Mineville was actually smelted locally, still less that smelting was
done at
Lyon Mountain. I have some vague recollection that there was a coke
plant
in the Albany area, but generally my limited knowledge of coke reduction
is
that it was a fairly specialized operation, so I would not be surprised
if
the PRR hoppers you report actually had come from Pennsylvania (probably
the
Pittsburgh area) where they did so much of that.
Someone more knowledgeable about D&H traffic than I would have to
explain
how much of the car ladings were iron ore and how much ingots from
northern
New York State. I'm pretty sure that the ore traffic from the Tahawus
Branch was shipped out for smelting elsewhere.
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:35:27 -0500
From: "David Smith" <dsmith@...>
Subject: RE: hoppers in interchange,

In a 1933 photo of a blast furnace on the D&H Chateauguay branch in the
northern Adirondacks, the three identifiable cars of coke(?) in the
foreground are all PRR quad hoppers (not exactly what I expected, but
great news for the H21 project). The closest coke works is on the D&H
at Port Henry. Maybe they were captured or maybe the coke came from
somewhere at least closer to PRR rails, anyone know more?

Dave Smith
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body putty

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I need to do some filling along the bottom sill of a some boxcars. I tried
to use some Testors Body Putty, but found upon drying, the putty didn't
stand up to filling and handling. It worked fine in other areas between
seams. I am looking for some advice on what you guys use on free or exposed
edges.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: B&M XM-1 composite boxcar - F&C kit roof and ends?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Al Brown asked:
"Some of the similar BAR cars have Hutchins ends; will those fit?"

Unfortunately, no. The Westerfield end is an "outie":
<http://www.westerfield.biz/detail%204113.htm>

The BAR cars had "innie" corrugations (photo from the pay side of the
RPI website):
<http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Box-cars/40-foot-single-
sheathed/BAR-1927-builder's-photo.jpg>

However, the Funaro B&M XM-1 model can be used as a starting point for
the BAR cars with "X29" ends - the major change is replacing the kit
roof with a Hutchins roof from an Accurail SS boxcar.
<http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Box-cars/40-foot-single-
sheathed/Bangor-&-Aroostook-Pratt-truss-xm-Ray-Higgins-1954.jpg>


Ben Hom


Re: Freight Car Trucks - when?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jim Betz wrote:
It certainly would help if those makers
who are attempting to represent a particular car would
include info such as " ... as equipped in 19__ when this
car had been rebuilt and the trucks were replaced and
the paint scheme was changed from ____ to _____ ...". Or
even just a photo of the car or cars from that sequence
and the date that the photo was taken.
Ah, yes, Jim, dream on . . .

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


ADMIN: Discount hobby shops = Offline

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Think I'll repeat this one.

Doug Brown writes:


Subject: RE: [STMFC] Discount hobby shop


Try Karl at:



KDC Model Trains
OK, guys, I'm going to nip this one in the bud. If you want to suggest a shop, DO IT OFFLINE, not on the group.

Hmmm...not many in the moderate jail tonight.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner




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Re: Discount hobby shop

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Doug Brown writes:


Subject: RE: [STMFC] Discount hobby shop


Try Karl at:



KDC Model Trains
OK, guys, I'm going to nip this one in the bud. If you want to suggest a shop, DO IT OFFLINE, not on the group.

Hmmm...not many in the moderate jail tonight.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner

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