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Re: B&O 50' Branchline cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

jim_mischke wrote:
- In 1954, GATX built some 50-foot lease boxcars for itself (green
with a big diagonal yellow stripe) with Duryea underframes. At
least PRR and B&O availed themselves of some. These cars were more
likely to be the last new Duryea underfames built.
The article on these in Railway Age implied, but did not state exactly, that these were end-of-car cushioning devices. Is that true?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Freight Car Trucks - when?

Brian Botton <bbotton@...>
 

On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 09:06 -0800, Ed Hawkins wrote:
The photo has "PSF" cast into the side frame. I haven't been able to
determine the company name for PSF, but wouldn't be surprised if the
"SF" part was "Steel Foundries." There was an American Steel Foundries
plant in Pittsburgh. The date cast into the side frame is 3-51.
Interestingly, the date cast into the right-hand wheel is 1948. I'll
I guess they must have had some old stock, or maybe a damaged wheel
was replaced with an older one.

repost if I can find anything on PSF. In the meantime the following
link provides some history about American Steel Foundries.

http://www.eslarp.uiuc.edu/ibex/archive/nunes/esl%20history/
american_steel.htm
Thanks for the web site, it was interesting.

Thanks,
Brian Botton


Re: Freight Car Trucks - when?

Brian Botton <bbotton@...>
 

Looonnnggg day at work today, so the late responses.

On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 20:53 -0800, Anthony Thompson wrote:
The photo looks more like it says "PSC" to me, but Richard or
someone may have the print and be able to be sure. You should realize,
Brian, that you could order your "Ride-Control" truck sideframes from
about anybody. Scullin Steel, Buckeye, National Malleable, and others.
That's interesting. The '43 and '46 cyclopedias comes across as if
"ride control" was an ASF trademark.

Orders for cars from large railroads like SP show the "A-3" trucks
being made by a whole bunch of people, on a single class of cars. That
said, I don't know of a sideframe caster that was PSF or PSC.
Thanks for the info,
Brian


Re: Image Of Fruit Growers Express Car

Tim O'Connor
 

John,
Looks like the prototype class that was used for the new InterMountain FGE HO scale reefer.
I have a sample car built -- right now I'm trying to locate decals. When I do I'll post photos of
the finished model.
Marty McGuirk
Marty,

I can't remember if any specifically asked before -- is Intermountain's
FGE reefer of a different prototype than the Accurail reefer?

Tim O'Connor


Re: ACL/A&D interchange

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
 

Fred,

It's easy, the answer is of course -- in fact, half of the cars on the A&D were ACL as the
"primary connecting road" -- 25% were Southernas the "secondary" road, etc . . . no more
than 5% "private owner" though -- hope there's no oil dealers there . . .

Oh, sorry, we've covered this already -- see how well the formula works -- I know Tim, Ben,
Richard and Tony will back me up on this . . .

Tongue, of course, firmly planted in cheek<g> -- seems logical that pulp would run to a mill
on the ACL from the A&D -- but I have no evidence to prove or disprove it.

Marty McGuirk


Re: Image Of Fruit Growers Express Car

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, John Degnan <seaboardrrman@...> wrote:

Folks, I have just uploaded some photos of a FGEX car that I recently took
John,

Looks like the prototype class that was used for the new InterMountain FGE HO scale reefer.

I have a sample car built -- right now I'm trying to locate decals. When I do I'll post photos of
the finished model.

Marty McGuirk


Calling Charlie Dean

golden1014
 

Brothers,

If anybody's got a recent e-mail for Charlie, can you
please drop me a note offline at Golden1014@yahoo.com?


Thanks,
John

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Fishbelly hoppers on Anthracite roads, and angle of repose for coal

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

A quick check of the NEB&W website revealed fishbelly hoppers in the
following numbers on anthracite hauling roads in 1949:

CNJ/CRP: 999 cars in one number series

D&H: 2993 cars in five number series

LV: 936 cars in two number series

RDG: between 2334-3334 cars in four number series (one series with
numbers for 1000 cars is listed, with no car total; however, this
series was built in 1944, so it may be near 1000 cars)

The NEB&W website gives the reason for building fishbelly hoppers as
being the ability to get a greater volume per car as compared to
a "normal" hopper. I looked for information on the angle of repose of
coal, and found that for anthracite it is between 30-35 degrees, and
for bituminous it is 35-40 degrees (a CTSB accident report lists
bituminous as 37 degrees at 11% moisture). However, the size of the
coals will also affect the angle of repose, so perhaps home heating
anthracite required cars with a steeper slope sheet. Measuring the
angles of the slope sheets would be necessary to be certain.

Mark Heiden

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Dziedzic" <jerdz@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:

I am under the impression that the flow characteristics are
different for anthracite and bituminous. In order to be self
clearing, cars loaded with anthracite need a steeper slope sheet
angle. Hence the common fishbelly hoppers amongst the anthracite
roads.
Interesting. I can't confirm this, and I can't refute it. However,
ERIE rostered no fishbelly hoppers (assuming we're referring to the
design that the Stewart model is based on). DL&W, "The Road of
Anthracite", didn't, either.


Re: Freight Car Trucks - when?

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

"PSF" might stand for Pittsburgh Steel Foundry Corporation, one of the members on the Four Wheel Truck Committee (I think that's what the committee were called).

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Brian Botton wrote:
> Speaking of RPC 4, pictures 29, 30, and 31 are of A-3 ride
> control trucks. The first 2 were made by American Steel Foundries
> (ASF).
> The 3rd, #31, says PSF. Is this a typo and should have said ASF?
> Or did PSF license the design from ASF, and if so, who is PSF?





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Re: hoppers in interchange,

Jerry Dziedzic
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "jim_mischke" <jmischke@...> wrote:

I am under the impression that the flow characteristics are
different for anthracite and bituminous. In order to be self
clearing, cars loaded with anthracite need a steeper slope sheet
angle. Hence the common fishbelly hoppers amongst the anthracite
roads.
Interesting. I can't confirm this, and I can't refute it. However,
ERIE rostered no fishbelly hoppers (assuming we're referring to the
design that the Stewart model is based on). DL&W, "The Road of
Anthracite", didn't, either.


Re: Arrowhead Tank Cars

David Ball
 

I have only seen one photo of the "standard" tanks in the water service
where the reporting marks a readable, and even then it was only one car. It
was GATX car, number 21760. This is on pg 77 of Vol 2 (Eastern District)
Donald Dukes Pacific Electric Books.

They only other photo that has the reporting marks remotely visible is one
of the pics of the last run. Its possible that there is a "XT". It can be
found here, about a two-thirds of the down :
HYPERLINK
"http://www.geocities.com/gatewaycityca/Arrowhead_Line.html"http://www.geoci
ties.com/gatewaycityca/Arrowhead_Line.html

I have never seen any mention of it, but my guess would be that these cars
were in more or less in captive shuttle service just like the bottle cars,
even if just for extended periods of time. Standard tanks seem to have first
appeared right after WWII, and may have been combination of the bottle cars
waring our and an increase in demand. Certainly by the last years of service
it was only these standard tanks in service.
Cheers

David Ball
(Showing his prototype interest)


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Subject: [STMFC] Arrowhead Tank Cars


Does anybody have information on Arrowhead-Puritas Waters' water service
tank cars? I'm not referring to the "bottle" cars, the ones with the tanks
on flat cars.

It appears there were some cars in dedicated water service as shown on page
24 of P. Allen Copeland's "Pacific Electric in Color," volume 2. The cars
look to be 10-12K gal. black tank cars, reporting marks unknown. APWX was
the Arrowhead-Puritas' reporting mark until about 1950.

Any photos or additional info? I'm also looking for early 1950s vintage
delivery truck images. A search of the list and various Google searches have
dried up. Hah!

Thanks,

Keith Jordan




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Re: Arrowhead Tank Cars

Shawn Beckert
 

Keith Jordan asked:

Any photos or additional info? I'm also looking for early 1950s
vintage
delivery truck images. A search of the list and various Google
searches have
dried up. Hah!
You might try contacting Arrowhead directly to see if they have
something:

http://www.arrowheadwater.com/AboutUs/ContactUs.aspx

If that doesn't work, talk to these guys:

http://www.aths.org/

They have a photo archive that's large, and getting larger.

Shawn Beckert


Grandt Line door guides - part number

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm in need of some Grandt Line door guides, like those on this B&M
1924 ARA boxcar by Ted Culotta:

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/bm71968main.htm
l

Are these guides in Grandt Line 5207, box car doors with Camel
hardware? If so, how many are in each package (I need 14 in total)?
If anyone can offer alternative parts, that would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Arrowhead Tank Cars

Keith Jordan
 

Does anybody have information on Arrowhead-Puritas Waters' water service
tank cars? I'm not referring to the "bottle" cars, the ones with the tanks
on flat cars.

It appears there were some cars in dedicated water service as shown on page
24 of P. Allen Copeland's "Pacific Electric in Color," volume 2. The cars
look to be 10-12K gal. black tank cars, reporting marks unknown. APWX was
the Arrowhead-Puritas' reporting mark until about 1950.

Any photos or additional info? I'm also looking for early 1950s vintage
delivery truck images. A search of the list and various Google searches have
dried up. Hah!

Thanks,

Keith Jordan


another Burlington single sheathed box car question

ed_mines
 

Burlington had 2 classes of box cars with 4/5 Dreadnaught ends and
9'4" IH. The first group (XM-29) had sides that look something like
the classic XM-25/XM-26 (i.e. 6 diagonal braces per side) and the
original Accurail cars. The second group (XM-30) had 4 diagonal braces
per side, like the later Accurail cars.

What kind of roofs did these cars have? How about doors in the
mid '40s? Can anyone think of some photos of these cars?

The XM-30s look like the GM&N cars shown in Ted's book.

Their final group of 40 ft. SS box cars is pictured in the 1940 CBC.
What kind of a roof did it have? My recollection is that it had metal
doors - I once decaled an MDC single sheathed box car with a Red Ball
steel door for CB&Q. Some substitute, eh? Ah, the good old days.

Ed


GAEX and GARX 50' Cushion Underframe Box Cars

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

The statements below are not correct. In 1954 Greenville Steel Car Company built 140 XME
box cars (Office Order 636) for the General American lease fleet that were placed into the
GAEX 100000-124999 series. These cars were leased to the NYC (GAEX 101000-101049),
Wabash (GAEX 109028-109077), and B&O (GAEX 111015-111029). I have not yet
confirmed the lessee of the reamining 25 cars (GAEX 102000-102024 series).

In 1955 40 additional XME cars as well as 635 50' RB insulated cars were built by General
American (GATC BO 8067, 8068, & 8072) for its lease fleet that were equipped with
Duryea underframes and placed into the GAEX 100000 series and GARX 50000-51999
series.

In April 1957 and in 1959 (respectively), an additional 210 and 100 GARX RB cars were
built by GATC that had cushion underframes (see 1961 CBC p. 111) for inclusion in the
GARX 50000 and 54000 series. I have not yet determined whether these were Duryea or
some other design.

An extensive article on these cars is in preparation for RP CYC.

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "jim_mischke" <jmischke@...> wrote:


- In 1954, GATX built some 50-foot lease boxcars for itself (green
with a big diagonal yellow stripe) with Duryea underframes. At
least PRR and B&O availed themselves of some. These cars were more
likely to be the last new Duryea underfames built.


Re: Fowler decals.

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Try www.readytrain.com.

Mansell Peter Hambly
Coquitlam, BC

----- Original Message -----
From: Arnold
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Fowler decals.


Sirs,

I have some Fowler box cars from Proto 1000 without marks on it.
It has only Canadian Pacific/National on it, with C.N./C.P. XXXXX
carnumber on it.
So for lettering it prototypicaly i want the proper decalsets to do it.
Who is the manufaturer off these?

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.





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Re: MDT reefer kits in development

rhinman@...
 

I have no record of these cars ever going to URTX but I keep
finding out new things every day.

For those who are curious about why a build date is on the end
of the car, this is a home made paint scheme the current
owners of the car came up with; definitely not prototypical.

This car is located in Raymond New Hampshire


Roger Hinman


Re: Fowler decals.

William and Anna-Marie Dewar <wmdewar@...>
 

Hello Arnold
Blackcat Publishing in Winnipeg makes decals for the CNR cars, set BC096 and for CPR cars, set BC009.
I do not believe that he has a website. Locally for me, TMR Distributing carries them and has a website.
Bill Dewar
Brampton, Ontario


Sirs,

I have some Fowler box cars from Proto 1000 without marks on it.
It has only Canadian Pacific/National on it, with C.N./C.P. XXXXX
carnumber on it.
So for lettering it prototypicaly i want the proper decalsets to do it.
Who is the manufaturer off these?

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.


Re: Fowler decals.

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Arnold,
You have a choice, either Westerfield
http://www.westerfield.biz/
who have decals for sale from his own versions of the Fowler car or
go to,
http://www.greatdecals.com/BlackCat.htm
and look for the decals you want on that list.
Both are excellent decals for the car you are trying to finish.
Pierre Oliver


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Arnold" <mrdata1968@...> wrote:

Sirs,

I have some Fowler box cars from Proto 1000 without marks on it.
It has only Canadian Pacific/National on it, with C.N./C.P. XXXXX
carnumber on it.
So for lettering it prototypicaly i want the proper decalsets to do
it.
Who is the manufaturer off these?

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.

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