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Re: Trix Tank Cars

bobbypitts44 <bobbypitts44@...>
 

Brian, I was all set to buy the three pack, but was warned that they
were, as you said, JUNK!!! Bobby Pitts Brunswick, Ga

Much to chagrin of those of us who reserved the Trix cars sight
unseen with
their local dealer, thinking that they would be good cars based on
information provided by Ed Hawkins, and others. (Note, I do not fault
Ed,
Richard, or anyone else that provided them information, I put the
blame
squarely on Trix) I have a $100 box of junk gathering dust on the
shelf.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Canadian stock cars

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Gene - Yes, it is lime, used as a disinfectant. Standard CP and CN practice. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Green
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Canadian stock cars


What is the white stuff on the sides of CP and/or CN stock cars?


Re: Kar-Line

Justin Kahn
 

I believe that was the name of the operation that claimed to have the largest HO railroad in existence back around 1959 when I visited the basement in East Aurora NY and which later sold assembled freight cars. My cousin knew the son of the family from high school (although he didn't think much of model railroading in general, his father being a Lionel enthusiast) but obliged me by providing an introduction. I witnessed the fellow slapping a Binkley (I think) kit together with Ambroid in a way that offended my sense of craftsmanship, so I figured they were not serious model railroaders, valuing quantity over quality, and never went back.
I believe they did quite a business during the 1960's and perhaps into the 1970's, selling the road names that were not offered ready-lettered by the manufacturers (I believe mostly by using decals). They may have come in display boxes later, but I believe originally they just used the Athearn box with a new label glued on. I'm not sure whether they started including Kadees, or whether that came later, too.
As for the difference between ready-to-run and the old Athearn kits, your point is?
And Charlie, I remember the [mercifully] brief use of rubber plugs in Athearn trucks; they weren't tubing but a sort of semi-firm sponge rubber plug--apparently because buyers were less willing to install the springs. I agree that the Lindberg trucks were a breakthrough, and they sold a lot of them separately in little clear boxes useful for holding all kinds of parts after the trucks ended up on a car; they must have had some way of mechanically installing springs, as they could not possibly have paid anyone to install them by hand and still sell the trucks for fifty cents (a great bargain at the time). Both Lindberg and Revell developed dies for reasonably good-quality freight cars (after all, injection plastic casting of scale models was what they were set up to do) and both developed their own EMD switchers, with different drives from any then on the market; I believe one drive was better designed than the other, but neither firm stayed in model railroading very long or brought new products on the market.
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

From: "Doug Brown" <g.brown1@...>
Subject: Kar-Line Kits (was: EB Products HO Trucks)

I have some Kar-Line kits with custom painted and decaled Athearn bodies, CV
trucks and KD #5 couplers included. Did they also sell them built-up?
Doug Brown
The trucks are the old Lindberg trucks. Lindberg (the plastic kit people)
got on the HO Model Train Set bandwagon in the 1960's following fellow
Chicago plastic kit maker Revell (yes, Revell had a plant in Chicago but
were primarily located in California IIRC).
The locomotive and cars were so-so train set quality but the trucks were
state of the art, being completely molded out of Delrin. They were to the
(then new) NMRA RP25 low-profile wheels and rolled like crazy. At this
point in time Varney was still making their pizza cutter wheels with very
sharp plastic flanges and Athearn was still supplying kit trucks with metal
sideframes and bolsters, some with rubber tubing instead of springs!!!
We did have Central Valley trucks which later came with their own low
profile wheels, but at the time the Lindberg trucks were pretty great.
This was at a time when a freight car modeler was a guy that paid extra for
a Kar-Line Athearn or MDC car that was built up with CV trucks and Kadees
already installed! And we complain about RTR today!!!
Charlie Vlk

I bought some of these way back when and I think that they were R-T-R and I
believe came in a box with a cellophane window.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
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Re: Trix Tank Cars

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Much to chagrin of those of us who reserved the Trix cars sight unseen with
their local dealer, thinking that they would be good cars based on
information provided by Ed Hawkins, and others. (Note, I do not fault Ed,
Richard, or anyone else that provided them information, I put the blame
squarely on Trix) I have a $100 box of junk gathering dust on the shelf.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Bob's Photo Reprints. was URTX Reefer

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Well, he has been there the last two years at least, and I think he told me
he was going to be there when I talked with him in Cocoa Beach.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Dudley" <lemthunder@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:33 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Bob's Photo Reprints. was URTX Reefer


--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

Phil, that depends on the color of the page the photo was on. Bob
has told
me that photos for which he doesn't have negatives are usually on
Purple
pages. I'll be seeing him in 3 weeks in Kirtland Ohio. I can call
him and
ask him to bring the URTX binder and see if the photo in question
is in it.
However, I just went back to the original message and saw the photo
was in
Fayetteville NC in 1951, and my mind is telling me that given the
date and
location it may have been a Col. Chet McCloid photo, and I think
Bob has
most of those in separate binders. Can someone else please
confirm, or
correct my memory.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
Brian:
If that is the Kirkland OH show, it is March 18-19 this year?? Are
you sure that he will be coming there?

Mike Dudley






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Re: Decals for reweigh and repack

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Will Whittaker memorial service

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

At noon yesterday, a memorial service for Will Whittaker was held at his church in Mill Valley. A number of railroad friends of Will's attended, though outnumbered by an extensive family, including numerous grandchildren and some great-grandchildren. A nice service, well run, and a beautiful day in Mill Valley, making a fine "goodbye" to a great gentleman and fine photographer and historian.

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Re: Canadian stock cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

The cars were PAINTED white. I was once told it was because all the steam cleaning of the cars faded the BCR paint used on the rest of the car.
Lime cuold indeed be sprinkled in stock cars on long journeys to kill fly eggs (or maggots) in the manure, but does not usually make that much of a mark on the car sides.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Re: Santa Fe Fe-21

charles slater
 

Bruce, Martin did a mini kit for the Fe-22 and Fe-23 cars which has ONE new end and new side sills, sells for $10.00, and is intended to be used with a Proto 2000 50 foot auto car with end door.
However you can make an Fe-21 using two of these mini kits (you need two new ends) and a proto 2000 50 foot single door car, which I have done. Martin has not made a mini kit for the
Fe-21 but the other parts can be used.
Martin will be in Southern california this coming weekend and he will have some of the mini kits
with him. He will be in Parris, California on Saturday March 4th, and Buena Park Holiday Inn on March 5th. He will also be at Winterail in Stockton, California on March 11th.
Sunshine will also release their newest Santa Fe kit next weekend at these events. That will be
a 50 foot box car kit that will make the Santa Fe Fe-6,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,16,18,and 20 class cars.
Charlie Slater
Sunshine pattern maker

From: Bruce Brantner <sfcoyote_2000@...>
Reply-To: STMFC@...
To: "stmfc@..." <stmfc@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe Fe-21
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:00:24 -0800 (PST)

Martin Lofton (Sunshine Models) made a mini-kit for
the Santa Fe Fe-21. Which was composed of two ends.
Does anyone have one of these kits they would like to
sell? Getting in touch with Sunshine Models is a
rather difficult and time consuming process. I would
like to buy one of these mini-kits.


Bruce R. Brantner, Sr.
Coyote Trails RR
Coyote Div. of SF RR

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Re: URTX 35521 was MDT reefer

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "buchwaldfam" <duff@...> asked:
...does anyone know if Bob's photo will
make a new print if you give them a negative number? Or is it a
matter
of once the prints are gone, they're gone?
Bob's Photos prints now have negative numbers?

Has anyone recently asked Bob or his son about cataloging his huge
collection of negatives?

I heard (through this group) that Bob wanted to cut back on
traveling.

3 or 4 years ago I bought prints from a list Richard Hendrickson and
others assembled. Most of the prints arrived eventually so at that
time negatives were being reprinted (I got credit for the prints
that never showed up).

Within the last year someone in the group wrote that Bob usually
printed from his most recently acquired negatives.

If someone internet saavy (like a high schooler) catalogued the new
prints as they are made I'd buy steam era prints from Bob through
the mail.

Ed


Re: Charlie Winters

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> wrote:
Charlie had a fantastic amount of steam era photographs. Does
anyone
know how the collection is to be disposed of?
Unfortunately the collection has been picked over for several years.

I don't remember who told me, but 4-6 other men borrowed negatives
from Charlie. The negatives weren't returned to the collection in an
orderly fashion if they were returned at all.

It may take a few weeks but I'll ask Harold Vollrath as to the
disposition of the collection.

Sometimes Joe Collias follows this group so maybe we'll have a quicker
answer.

Ed Mines


Trix Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Clark Propst wrote:

The "Great Hobby on Tour whatamacallit thingy" is at the River Center
in St Paul this weekend. It's for kids, but there were several major
manufacturers there.

I have a question about the Trix (yes Trix are for kids) insulated
chemical tank car. They had three on display, two with dome walks one
without. Are these legitimate models or are they like the rest of
their line??
Clark, you haven't been paying attention; these models have been
discussed extensively on this list during the past year or so.
Actually, some Trix models of North American freight car prototypes
have some potential, though they're outrageously overpriced. However,
the consensus on the 6K chlorine tank cars is that they're crude,
inaccurate, and, on the whole, a disaster ( a view, by the way, that's
shared by two of us on the list who contributed prototype data for the
project and lived to regret it). Ted Culotta seems to think they can
be saved, with a great deal of effort, but whether the results are
worth all that effort seems doubtful to me.

We need good models of these cars, and sooner or later we'll doubtless
get them, but not from Märklin/Trix, whose incompetence seems to be
exceeded only by their arrogance.

Richard Hendrickson


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More URTX Bob's Photos

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

One more thing and then I'll kick this reefer habit...

I was looking through my URTX stuff, and found that two photos,
URTX 8224 and URTX 25045, are both labeled as Bob's photo # FURTX3.
Probably a typo, but just a heads up that you probably want to include
a description of the car by road, type, and number; even if you have
the negative number.

ps: Bob's phone and address are:
(203)734-6666

37 Spring Street
Ansonia, CT 06401

Great discussion!
Phil Buchwald


Re: Charlie Winters

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Chet French wrote:

I just received an email stating that Charlie Winters died in a
hospital Friday morning.  No other details.  Charlie was a switchman
on
the Wabash at North Kansas City for years and photographed freight
cars
during the 1940's and 1950's.
That's sad news, though Charlie lived to a ripe old age before
answering the call to the great freight yard in the sky. Most (if not
all) of his freight car photos were from negs shot by the late George
Sisk, who was the Kansas City freight agent for the Chicago, South
Shore and South Bend, and who sometimes built O scale freight car
models for his best customers. Charlie once told me that he and the
other KC area railfans/photographers tended to be impatient when George
would stop to shoot freight cars, as the rest of them were always in a
hurry to get to the roundhouse, but that in later years prints of
Sisk's freight car photos sold in much larger numbers than any of
Charlie's own locomotive shots.

Charlie was generous about sharing prints from the many negs in his
collection and in my dealings with him he was always a true gentleman.
And as one of the earliest photo collectors (along with Will Whittaker,
who also died recently) to make a substantial body of freight car
photos readily available, he played a major role in the development of
serious freight car research and modeling, so he has left a substantial
legacy.

Richard Hendrickson


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Re: URTX 35521 was MDT reefer

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

There's an article in the September, 2001 Railmodel Journal which
shows how Stan Rydarowicz kitbashed one of the 1936 style cars. The
article has some good photos of an M&StL and a CMStP&P car from this
original series. The car marked for the Milwaukee is not identified by
number and there aren't enough of the markings showing through the
grime to pull the number from the photo.
Moving forward to the series which includes URTX 35521: the bit
of this later series car that shows up on the photo has double columns
of rivets at each sidewall panel joint, like a PFE R-40-10, etc. Also,
the bolster is "Tabbed" like an AAR box car. There isn't enough
showing that I can see the door, so I can't see the hinges. However,
from the rivet patterns, the tabs, and Ted's description of the
hinges on the later cars, would the side panels (including the door
hardware) from an Intermountain R-40-10/20/23 be correct?

Thanks,
Phil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:


URTX 35521 is a General American product based upon the General
American "standard" steel refrigerator first introduced in 1936. The
first cars had articulated hinges and flat riveted ends and roofs.
Later cars, like URTX 35521, had the ends with the rectangular
corrugations (similar to the MDT corrugation, though not the same to my
eye) in the ends and more traditional hinges, but retained the flat
roofs. These cars were originally leased to the Milwaukee. By the
early 1950s many were being leased to M&StL. Many, maybe all, were
rebuilt in the 1950s with what appear to be Improved Dreadnaught ends
and Murphy diagonal panel roofs. These rebuilds were leased to packing
companies among other lessees.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: Canadian stock cars

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

While the lime answers are correct, don't forget the obvious - white paint.

Rob Kirkham

What is the white stuff on the sides of CP and/or CN stock cars?
Why was it used?
Did any US roads follow a similar practice?
Gene Green


Re: Canadian stock cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Gene Green asked:
"What is the white stuff on the sides of CP and/or CN stock cars? Why
was it used?"

Lime, used to disinfect the cars.


Ben Hom


Re: Canadian stock cars

Tom Houle <thoule@...>
 

Gene,
I could be wrong but as I recall that "white stuff" on CP and CN stock car sides was lime or something similar and meant to disinfect the car interiors from animal manure. Likely used in the USA as well.
Tom Houle

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Green
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Canadian stock cars


What is the white stuff on the sides of CP and/or CN stock cars?
Why was it used?
Did any US roads follow a similar practice?
Gene Green






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Re: Bob's Photo Reprints. was URTX Reefer

Captain Dudley
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

Phil, that depends on the color of the page the photo was on. Bob
has told
me that photos for which he doesn't have negatives are usually on
Purple
pages. I'll be seeing him in 3 weeks in Kirtland Ohio. I can call
him and
ask him to bring the URTX binder and see if the photo in question
is in it.
However, I just went back to the original message and saw the photo
was in
Fayetteville NC in 1951, and my mind is telling me that given the
date and
location it may have been a Col. Chet McCloid photo, and I think
Bob has
most of those in separate binders. Can someone else please
confirm, or
correct my memory.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
Brian:
If that is the Kirkland OH show, it is March 18-19 this year?? Are
you sure that he will be coming there?

Mike Dudley


Canadian stock cars

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

What is the white stuff on the sides of CP and/or CN stock cars?
Why was it used?
Did any US roads follow a similar practice?
Gene Green

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