hopper doors
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Malcolm Laughlin" <mlaughlinnyc@...>
wrote: for iron ore, but had a high reject rate before being sent to mines for leaky doors. If they would hold iron ore, no problem with manygrains. =========== Something else to think about. If they couldn't hold grain, how would you expect them to hold the finer grades of coal. It wasn't all lumps. Some of it is more like black dirt.
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Re: PFE on Wabash
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Rich C" <richchrysler@...> wrote:
east from Michigan via Southern Ontario (shortest route I would think) to get to NY State, etc. via Niagara Falls and Buffalo and on to NYC, etc. I've seen plenty of pictures of Wabash hauling great long strings of freight through Ontario using their 2200 series K-3 Mikados, just not sure about the PFE's coming through that route. =====================The big traffic on that part of the Wabash was from the automobile industry in Michigan. BTW, why the emphasis on PFE in all this talk. There was a lot of western produce in SFRE and WFE cars also.
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Re: PFE on Wabash
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Frank Greene" <fgreen01@...> wrote:
the Wabash at Council Bluffs, routed through Michigan and Southern Ontario to Niagara Falls/Buffalo for interchange to NYC, DL&W, LV, etc.? ============ Likely not much at Council Bluffs. that was not a Wabash main line. It was one of those midwest hill and dale with constant curvature lines. I was once a partner in a short line that owned the MO part of that line. No evidence of it ever being a heavily (relatively) used line. Also, you've got pretty high circuity on that route, more than you're likely to find on any service other than the SSW.
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Re: Unusual Box Car
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "buchwaldfam" <duff@...> wrote:
A lot of them were pretty tight. On the NYC we used a lot of them for iron ore, but had a high reject rate before being sent to mines for leaky doors. If they would hold iron ore, no problem with many grains.
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Re: PFE on Wabash
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Rich C" <richchrysler@...> wrote:
Michigan to New York State through Southern Ontario where the Wabash had running rights on a through east/west CNR line? ================= Yes, for their traffic to the Buffalo area. But you can be sure that nobody except DL&W or LV would have scheduled good connections at Buffalo for traffic from the west going further east. All the other eastern roads were competing to get that traffic through Chicago and St. Louis.
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Re: PFE on Wabash
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Lee Thwaits" <lthwaits@...> wrote:
Marysville, CA. There was always a Wabash salesman around wining & dining our packing house managers and as as a result most of the fruit went to New York auction ============== I'd be very careful about saying "most" or "lion's share", etc. Especially when quoting salesmen. If you believed all of them you might have to believe that the total traffic was double or triple what was actually handled. It only takes two railroad salesmen saying "most" to exceed the actual traffic. Is there any evidence that the highest flow of perishables to New York was not through the Chicago and St. Louis gateways ? A pretty large portion of that traffic was blocked at Roseville for North Platte and I suspect that the majority at North Platte was blocked for Chicago connections.
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Re: Interpreting Copeland interchange data
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
This is very helpful. The data I have shows that in 1947, UP
sent 38,576 loaded cars to the WAB at KC, and in 1954 that increased to 54,487 cars.was 10,781 cars, and in 1953 it was 14,369. ===========Anything in all of that data about the MILW share. I know that in the early 60's the daily train from KC to Chicago was mostly western perishables.
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Re: Interpreting Copeland interchange data
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
tgregmrtn@... wrote:
All,for all perishable produce traffic from the Mississippi east, nearly the sum of the NKP and Erie together, for most of the 50's (and Likely before) until the traffic dwindled to truck and TOFC business. ============== The wildest dreams of the red team ? In the late 50's-early 60's the NYC had at least three daily trainloads of perishables east from chicago and St. Louis. And PRR couldn't touch us for service to New York and New England.
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Re: Interpreting Copeland interchange data - Oops ! Missed a key.
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
--- In STMFC@..., Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...> wrote:
Ames, the curator, when he was with the NMRA Library in Chattanooga and found him very cooperative over the phone. Who's Barringer ? Do you mean John Barriger's collection ?
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Re: Interpreting Copeland interchange data
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
--- In STMFC@..., Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...> wrote:
Ames, the curator, when he was with the NMRA Library in Chattanooga and found him very cooperative over the phone. =============== Who's Barriger ? Do you mean John Barriger's collection ?
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Re: Hopper Help
Thomas Baker
Chet,
Thank you. Exactly the information I needed.. To have a C&IM hopper on the layout would have been good, but certainly in prototypical colors. Appreciate the help. Tom ________________________________ From: STMFC@... on behalf of Chet French Sent: Wed 3/1/2006 2:56 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Hopper Help --- In STMFC@..., "Thomas Baker" <bakert@...> wrote: Severall years ago I inquired about the C&IM two-bay offset hoppers. Someone on the list responded that the hoppers were once painted green while in service for the C&IM. Is this accurate? If so, what tone of green might approximate that used by the C&IM? Tom, C&IM hoppers in revenue service were black with white lettering. A few of the two bay hoppers were converted to locomotive sand cars and painted green with a red stripe running the length of the car. Colors were probably the same as those used on the diesels. Chet French Dixon, IL Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Hopper Help
Chet French <cfrench@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Thomas Baker" <bakert@...> wrote:
Severall years ago I inquired about the C&IM two-bay offset hoppers. Someone on the list responded that the hoppers were once painted green while in service for the C&IM. Is this accurate? If so, what tone of green might approximate that used by the C&IM? Tom, C&IM hoppers in revenue service were black with white lettering. A few of the two bay hoppers were converted to locomotive sand cars and painted green with a red stripe running the length of the car. Colors were probably the same as those used on the diesels. Chet French Dixon, IL
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Toronto Prototype Modeller's Meet 2006
William and Anna-Marie Dewar <wmdewar@...>
Good Afternoon:
For those who have an interest in such events, the annual, Toronto Meet is going to be held on 22 April, 2006 at Humber College which is located in the north-west area of the city. For more information go to: http://home.interlog.com/acwelch/Railway_Prototype_Modeller_Toronto_Meet.html Thanks Bill Dewar on behalf of Al Welch
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C&O freight car books
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rmwitt@...> wrote:
According to the information in Al Kresse's book "C&O Freight CarsBob how is that book for pictures, where did you get it and how much did it cost? How do the pictures compared to the soft cover book the C&O society reprinted (it has a black and white cover)? Ed
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Re: Hopper Help
Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "David Smith" <dsmith@...> wrote:
Because the top chord would then be in the interior of the car. If the car were to be rotary dumped (and most export terminals were using rotary dumpers) the coal wouldn't all come out of the car, it would bank against the top chord. Bending the top of the side sheets back to the interior face of the posts solves this problem. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Interpreting Copeland interchange data
jaley <jaley@...>
On Feb 28, 6:19pm, Tony Thompson wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Interpreting Copeland interchange dataI should only count the difference between the "TO" and "FROM"I'm sure RI also handled westward empty reefers on the Golden State Tony, I am also sure that RI handled westward empties. But the interchange reports are for loaded cars only. So, taking the 1952 Kansas City RI <--> WAB example, we have: LOADED CARS TO WAB......FROM WAB 13,071......1,536. My hypothesis is that 1,536 of the cars interchanged (both TO and FROM) are "normal" or "generic" traffic, whereas the (13,071 - 1,536 = ) 11,535 excess cars sent TO the Wabash were probably reefers, which came back empty and are therefore not represented in the "FROM" data. I would further hypothesize that an analagous situation would apply if one were to analyze the traffic of a coal-hauling road. I.e. since coal hoppers tend to return empty, one would see a large bias for the loaded traffic in a particular direction. Regards, -Jeff -- Jeff Aley jaley@... DPG Chipsets Product Engineering Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA (916) 356-3533
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Re: PFE on Wabash
Rich C <richchrysler@...>
Yes, Frank.
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I'm talking about the eastern end (relatively speaking) of the run, east from Michigan via Southern Ontario (shortest route I would think) to get to NY State, etc. via Niagara Falls and Buffalo and on to NYC, etc. I've seen plenty of pictures of Wabash hauling great long strings of freight through Ontario using their 2200 series K-3 Mikados, just not sure about the PFE's coming through that route. Rich Chrysler
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From: "Frank Greene" <fgreen01@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: PFE on Wabash Are y'all talking about opposite ends of the haul? Interchanged to the Wabash at Council Bluffs, routed through Michigan and Southern Ontario to Niagara Falls/Buffalo for interchange to NYC, DL&W, LV, etc.?
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Re: Unusual Box Car
jaley <jaley@...>
On Mar 1, 2:29pm, buchwaldfam wrote:
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Unusual Box Car Phil, I don't know how they sealed the doors, but I can imagine some kind of paper seal... Regards, -Jeff -- Jeff Aley jaley@... DPG Chipsets Product Engineering Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA (916) 356-3533
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Re: Unusual Box Car
ljack70117@...
Stuffed the openings with new papers. Most of the tops went on the ballast hoppers on the Un Pac.
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Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...
On Mar 1, 2006, at 9:29 AM, buchwaldfam wrote:
Even for grain, the doors on a coal hopper seem like they'd
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Re: Interpreting Copeland interchange data
Larry Kline
timboconnor@... wrote:
Tim, I've heard stories that the Barringer collection isTim Gilbert replied: Tim, I don't know because I have never tried. I have dealt with Gregg Ames, the curator, when he was with the NMRA Library in Chattanooga and found him very cooperative over the phone. Tim Gilbert I haven't been there either but Greg Ames has helped me both while he was at the NMRA library and by phone since he went to the Barringer Library. The Barringer Library has a nice RR research guide online at: http://www.umsl.edu/barriger/bguides/rrguide/rrguide.htm I believe that Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider have made extensive use of the ACF collection there. Larry Kline Pittsburgh, PA
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