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Re: Quesions about a depressed center flat car

Norm Dresner <ndrez@...>
 

Wonderful information . Thanks
Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Cranstone <lamontc@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Quesions about a depressed center flat car


From: "Norm Dresner" <ndrez@...>
I have two questions:
1. What might have been the prototype for this model, if any?
TPRX was the reporting mark of the Texas Power & Light Co., which
was listed
until the Jan. 1958 ORER (it reappeared in the 1980s). They listed
one car
in the Oct. 1949 ORER, namely depressed centre flat car TPRX 1.

2. Where on a depressed-center flat car is the brake gear located?
Most of CN's older cars were constructed with components shoehorned
under
the end platforms -- I'm sure the intent was to keep the top clear
for
overlength loads. More recent cars have had to place some
components on top
of the span bolsters, but the use of truck-mounted brake cylinders
has
reduced the number to place. As others have already noted, it was
extremely
common for these cars to have two completely separate brake systems,
one at
each end.

--
Ian Cranstone
Kanata, Ontario, Canada
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Re: Quesions about a depressed center flat car

mbcarson2002
 

FWIW, the MR article on the depressed center flatcar
was published in February 1955.

The MM plans and accompanying photos show the single
reservoir & triple valve mounted on top of one of elevated
portions of the flat car near the brake wheel (the B end,
naturally).

Regards,

Mike Carson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, 21 January, 2002 15:47
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Quesions about a depressed center flat
car


: Norm,
:
: There should be two sets of AB brakes on this car, one on
each end. The rodding couldn't be bent around
: the depressed part of the frame. This means there should
also be two brake stands. It is possible that
: some cars of this type had truck-mounted brake cylinders
due to the tight space around the bolsters, but
: I can't swear to that.
:
: At least Athearn got this part right on their 4-truck flat
car. It has brake wheels at each end.
:
: I don't know about TPRX, but if this is a real reporting
mark, it will be in the ORER. The articles in
: the Kalmbach book largely date from the early 1950s, so
that is the approximate era to check.
:
: Kind regards,
:
:
: Garth G. Groff
:
:
: Norm Dresner wrote:
: >
: > As an excuse for trying out my new bandsaw, I started
scratchbuilding
: > the depressed center flat car which is described in an
ancient
: > Kalmbach book entitled "Easy-to-Build Model Railroad
Freight Cars" and
: > sub-titled "24 Dollar Car Projects from the pages of
Model
: > Railroader". (This book is (C) 1971, a mere 30 years
old as I'm sure
: > I bought it soon after it hit the market).
: >
: > Anyway, there's what purports to be a prototype "sketch"
(I'd hate to
: > call it a drawing) with the markings "TPRX" giving it's
capacities as
: > CAPY 190000
: > LdLmt. 195800
: > Lt. Wt 55200
: > new 12-47
: >
: > and showing a car with two two-axle trucks.
: >
: > I have two questions:
: > 1. What might have been the prototype for this
model, if any?
: > 2. Where on a depressed-center flat car is the brake
gear located?
: >
: > I'd appreciate any information on this car -- or
anything like it.
: >
: >
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Re: Quesions about a depressed center flat car

thompson@...
 

Garth Groff said:
There should be two sets of AB brakes on this car, one on each end. The
rodding couldn't be bent around
the depressed part of the frame. This means there should also be two brake
stands.
The main reason for the two brake systems is the large car capacity.
Rodding could indeed be run under the depressed deck if need be.

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Re: Quesions about a depressed center flat car

Norm Dresner <ndrez@...>
 

Garth.

The model definitely had brake wheels at either end and even though
I've been staring at this article for decades I never noticed it until
you just pointed it out. But DOH, of course if it had brake wheels at
either end it would stand to reason that it had dual brake gear as
well.

I suppose the various components of the brake set would be nestled
between the "center sill" and the side frames as best as they could.
Would there have been any sort of "standard" for this placement.

And, yes, since the "markings" on the drawing indicate "new 12-47" I'd
guess that we're looking at a post-war prototype.

Thanks for the information.
Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Quesions about a depressed center flat car


Norm,

There should be two sets of AB brakes on this car, one on each end.
The rodding couldn't be bent around
the depressed part of the frame. This means there should also be two
brake stands. It is possible that
some cars of this type had truck-mounted brake cylinders due to the
tight space around the bolsters, but
I can't swear to that.

At least Athearn got this part right on their 4-truck flat car. It
has brake wheels at each end.

I don't know about TPRX, but if this is a real reporting mark, it
will be in the ORER. The articles in
the Kalmbach book largely date from the early 1950s, so that is the
approximate era to check.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Norm Dresner wrote:

As an excuse for trying out my new bandsaw, I started
scratchbuilding
the depressed center flat car which is described in an ancient
Kalmbach book entitled "Easy-to-Build Model Railroad Freight Cars"
and
sub-titled "24 Dollar Car Projects from the pages of Model
Railroader". (This book is (C) 1971, a mere 30 years old as I'm
sure
I bought it soon after it hit the market).

Anyway, there's what purports to be a prototype "sketch" (I'd hate
to
call it a drawing) with the markings "TPRX" giving it's capacities
as
CAPY 190000
LdLmt. 195800
Lt. Wt 55200
new 12-47

and showing a car with two two-axle trucks.

I have two questions:
1. What might have been the prototype for this model, if any?
2. Where on a depressed-center flat car is the brake gear
located?

I'd appreciate any information on this car -- or anything like it.


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Re: Quesions about a depressed center flat car

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Norm,

There should be two sets of AB brakes on this car, one on each end. The rodding couldn't be bent around
the depressed part of the frame. This means there should also be two brake stands. It is possible that
some cars of this type had truck-mounted brake cylinders due to the tight space around the bolsters, but
I can't swear to that.

At least Athearn got this part right on their 4-truck flat car. It has brake wheels at each end.

I don't know about TPRX, but if this is a real reporting mark, it will be in the ORER. The articles in
the Kalmbach book largely date from the early 1950s, so that is the approximate era to check.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Norm Dresner wrote:


As an excuse for trying out my new bandsaw, I started scratchbuilding
the depressed center flat car which is described in an ancient
Kalmbach book entitled "Easy-to-Build Model Railroad Freight Cars" and
sub-titled "24 Dollar Car Projects from the pages of Model
Railroader". (This book is (C) 1971, a mere 30 years old as I'm sure
I bought it soon after it hit the market).

Anyway, there's what purports to be a prototype "sketch" (I'd hate to
call it a drawing) with the markings "TPRX" giving it's capacities as
CAPY 190000
LdLmt. 195800
Lt. Wt 55200
new 12-47

and showing a car with two two-axle trucks.

I have two questions:
1. What might have been the prototype for this model, if any?
2. Where on a depressed-center flat car is the brake gear located?

I'd appreciate any information on this car -- or anything like it.


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Re: Quesions about a depressed center flat car

Norm Dresner <ndrez@...>
 

I haven't seen the Feb issue yet. Martin Luther King, Jr's Monday is
probably getting in the way. And I agree about the dimensional
data -- I had assumed it was put there to show where real data might
have gone.
Thanks for the pointer
Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Carson <mbcarson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Quesions about a depressed center flat car


Norm,

Yup, the standards for freight car drawings have
come a long way since 1971 (especially since the depressed
center flat article was probably originally published in MR
earlier). By coincidence, there are plans for a Conrail 43
foot four axle depressed center flat car in the February
2002 issue of Mainline Modeler. The load limit for the
Conrail flat is 198300 lbs. with a light weight of 64700
lbs.

I presume the data shown on the car drawing in Kalmbach book
are notational (to be kind).

Regards,

Mike Carson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Dresner" <ndrez@...>
To: "steamfreight" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, 21 January, 2002 15:07
Subject: [STMFC] Quesions about a depressed center flat car


: As an excuse for trying out my new bandsaw, I started
scratchbuilding
: the depressed center flat car which is described in an
ancient
: Kalmbach book entitled "Easy-to-Build Model Railroad
Freight Cars" and
: sub-titled "24 Dollar Car Projects from the pages of Model
: Railroader". (This book is (C) 1971, a mere 30 years old
as I'm sure
: I bought it soon after it hit the market).
:
: Anyway, there's what purports to be a prototype "sketch"
(I'd hate to
: call it a drawing) with the markings "TPRX" giving it's
capacities as
: CAPY 190000
: LdLmt. 195800
: Lt. Wt 55200
: new 12-47
:
: and showing a car with two two-axle trucks.
:
: I have two questions:
: 1. What might have been the prototype for this model,
if any?
: 2. Where on a depressed-center flat car is the brake
gear located?
:
: I'd appreciate any information on this car -- or anything
like it.
:
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Re: Quesions about a depressed center flat car

mbcarson2002
 

Norm,

Yup, the standards for freight car drawings have
come a long way since 1971 (especially since the depressed
center flat article was probably originally published in MR
earlier). By coincidence, there are plans for a Conrail 43
foot four axle depressed center flat car in the February
2002 issue of Mainline Modeler. The load limit for the
Conrail flat is 198300 lbs. with a light weight of 64700
lbs.

I presume the data shown on the car drawing in Kalmbach book
are notational (to be kind).

Regards,

Mike Carson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Dresner" <ndrez@...>
To: "steamfreight" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, 21 January, 2002 15:07
Subject: [STMFC] Quesions about a depressed center flat car


: As an excuse for trying out my new bandsaw, I started
scratchbuilding
: the depressed center flat car which is described in an
ancient
: Kalmbach book entitled "Easy-to-Build Model Railroad
Freight Cars" and
: sub-titled "24 Dollar Car Projects from the pages of Model
: Railroader". (This book is (C) 1971, a mere 30 years old
as I'm sure
: I bought it soon after it hit the market).
:
: Anyway, there's what purports to be a prototype "sketch"
(I'd hate to
: call it a drawing) with the markings "TPRX" giving it's
capacities as
: CAPY 190000
: LdLmt. 195800
: Lt. Wt 55200
: new 12-47
:
: and showing a car with two two-axle trucks.
:
: I have two questions:
: 1. What might have been the prototype for this model,
if any?
: 2. Where on a depressed-center flat car is the brake
gear located?
:
: I'd appreciate any information on this car -- or anything
like it.
:
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Re: Quesions about a depressed center flat car

Norm Dresner <ndrez@...>
 

Thanks for the info. I'm still waiting for my MM issue.

Now if the original article was in fact based on a prototype that had
brake wheels at both ends, how would the motion from the one at the
end away from the valve/reservoir have been communicated to the brake
gear?

Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Carson <mbcarson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Quesions about a depressed center flat car


FWIW, the MR article on the depressed center flatcar
was published in February 1955.

The MM plans and accompanying photos show the single
reservoir & triple valve mounted on top of one of elevated
portions of the flat car near the brake wheel (the B end,
naturally).

Regards,

Mike Carson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, 21 January, 2002 15:47
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Quesions about a depressed center flat
car


: Norm,
:
: There should be two sets of AB brakes on this car, one on
each end. The rodding couldn't be bent around
: the depressed part of the frame. This means there should
also be two brake stands. It is possible that
: some cars of this type had truck-mounted brake cylinders
due to the tight space around the bolsters, but
: I can't swear to that.
:
: At least Athearn got this part right on their 4-truck flat
car. It has brake wheels at each end.
:
: I don't know about TPRX, but if this is a real reporting
mark, it will be in the ORER. The articles in
: the Kalmbach book largely date from the early 1950s, so
that is the approximate era to check.
:
: Kind regards,
:
:
: Garth G. Groff
:
:
: Norm Dresner wrote:
: >
: > As an excuse for trying out my new bandsaw, I started
scratchbuilding
: > the depressed center flat car which is described in an
ancient
: > Kalmbach book entitled "Easy-to-Build Model Railroad
Freight Cars" and
: > sub-titled "24 Dollar Car Projects from the pages of
Model
: > Railroader". (This book is (C) 1971, a mere 30 years
old as I'm sure
: > I bought it soon after it hit the market).
: >
: > Anyway, there's what purports to be a prototype "sketch"
(I'd hate to
: > call it a drawing) with the markings "TPRX" giving it's
capacities as
: > CAPY 190000
: > LdLmt. 195800
: > Lt. Wt 55200
: > new 12-47
: >
: > and showing a car with two two-axle trucks.
: >
: > I have two questions:
: > 1. What might have been the prototype for this
model, if any?
: > 2. Where on a depressed-center flat car is the brake
gear located?
: >
: > I'd appreciate any information on this car -- or
anything like it.
: >
: >
: > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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Quesions about a depressed center flat car

Norm Dresner <ndrez@...>
 

As an excuse for trying out my new bandsaw, I started scratchbuilding
the depressed center flat car which is described in an ancient
Kalmbach book entitled "Easy-to-Build Model Railroad Freight Cars" and
sub-titled "24 Dollar Car Projects from the pages of Model
Railroader". (This book is (C) 1971, a mere 30 years old as I'm sure
I bought it soon after it hit the market).

Anyway, there's what purports to be a prototype "sketch" (I'd hate to
call it a drawing) with the markings "TPRX" giving it's capacities as
CAPY 190000
LdLmt. 195800
Lt. Wt 55200
new 12-47

and showing a car with two two-axle trucks.

I have two questions:
1. What might have been the prototype for this model, if any?
2. Where on a depressed-center flat car is the brake gear located?

I'd appreciate any information on this car -- or anything like it.


Re: FW: REA 6900-7899 class

thompson@...
 

Mike Brock said in passing:
Can anyone with a 1954 ORER...was their one?...
Mike, there were four ORER issues a year in 1954 and throughout the
postwar period.

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Re: REA 6900-7899 class

byronrose@...
 

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:44:29 -0800 thompson@... writes:
Mike Brock mentioned:
Roseman's book on the REA says the class was built in '58.
That book has many shortcomings; this apparent problem is only one
of
them. But it is all there is, at the moment.

Whoa, am I missing something here. Didn't the ORER results posted
recently confirm that these cars indeed, were built (ending) in 57 and/or
'58.

Brocks original question was:

"Can anyone with a 1954 ORER...was their one?....tell me if REA car class
6900-7899 is in it? It is not in the '53 ORER. However, I have a '55
photo of one in the class. Roseman's book on the REA says the class was
built in '58. Thanks. Mike Brock"

I would be more inclined to suspect the date on Mikes photo. All to
often the dates attributed to photographs have been attempts to read
weweigh dates on the car sides or outright guesses.

BSR

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Re: Ulrich rides again?

thompson@...
 

Didn't Challenger import some of them in brass?
The questioner specifically excluded brass. But yes, Challenger did, as
did Pacific Limited in O scale.

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NYC 859430 Two Bay Open Hopper circa 1941

mbcarson2002
 

People,

In the November/December 2001 issue of "The
Railroad Press" (TRP), there is a short article with
pictures entitled "Indiana Railroad Remembered". The
article has two pictures, dated July 1941, of a short
freight (four open hoppers) pulled by a freight motor near
Terre Haute, Indiana. My question concerns the two bay open
hopper immediately behind the freight motor. I read the car
number as NYC 859430. To my eye, the hopper in question
appears to be an USRA hopper rebuilt with panel sides,
similar to the panel sides once offered (still?) by
Gould/Tichy Train. Although the hopper appears to have the
NYC system oval logo, the angle is such I can't read the car
lot number.

Can anyone offer any information about this car ? Am I
correct about this car ?

Thank you in advance

Mike Carson


FW: REA 6900-7899 class

Roger Robar <rrobar@...>
 

Mike, My 1954 ORER does not list these REA cars. Roger Robar

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Brock [mailto:brockm@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 10:59 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] REA 6900-7899 class


Can anyone with a 1954 ORER...was their one?....tell me if REA car class
6900-7899 is in it? It is not in the '53 ORER. However, I have a '55 photo
of one in the class. Roseman's book on the REA says the class was built in
'58. Thanks.

Mike Brock


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Re: Prototype Modelers Meets

Andy Harman <andy10@...>
 

At 08:40 PM 01/20/2002 -0800, you wrote:

" Hacienda Room, Crowne Plaza Hotel, Pleasanton, CA
"South of Foothills Rd. Exit off I-580
" 11950 Dublin Canyon Rd., south of Foothills Rd. exit off I-580 (west of
I-580 and I-680 junction)
"Call (925) 847-6000 for hotel reservations, $79 per night."
Watch out. This hotel charged me for two nights, when I only stayed one
night. (this was 3/12-3/13/2000) I didn't catch this until some months
later when reviewing my credit card bill. Apparently I was penalized for
not putting up with their dim-witted desk help... while I was waiting to
check out "officially", three people behind the counter ignored the line of
customers and chatted amongsth themselves, while one geek tried to process
something on their computer. I just tossed my room key on the counter and
left. So they double-billed my room and ripped me for $79 plus California
tax, and if I'd caught it on my initial billing I would have probably been
able to reverse it with Amex, but I didn't. Apparently hotels pull this
crap because the know half the time or better it won't be caught.

Be aware. I will not stay at that hotel again... I may attend the meet,
but I'll stay elsewhere. I have no use for crooks.

Andy


Re: Ulrich rides again?

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Tony Thompson wrote

No, I know of no other model of the 1920s Enterprise car.
Didn't Challenger import some of them in brass?


Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Prototype Modelers Meets

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

On Jan 18, 4:58pm, Dave & Libby Nelson wrote:
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Prototype Modelers Meets


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Aley - GCD PE [mailto:jaley@...]
March 10, 2002: Sunshine Models meet in Pleasanton, CA

What's the price of this one?

Dave Nelson

Dave,

I am under the impression that some of the info is "preliminary"
(so I won't list the clinics just yet); however the following seems
unlikely to change:

"Sunday, March 10th, 10am - 6pm Registration and Sales begin at 9:00 am

" Hacienda Room, Crowne Plaza Hotel, Pleasanton, CA
"South of Foothills Rd. Exit off I-580
" 11950 Dublin Canyon Rd., south of Foothills Rd. exit off I-580 (west of
I-580 and I-680 junction)
"Call (925) 847-6000 for hotel reservations, $79 per night."

"a free Sunshine Mini-Kit exclusively for attendees : the ATSF Bx-41-49
rebuilds"

"Pre-register ___people for the 2002 Pleasanton Prototype Meeting and
Mini-Kit. $30 per person
"Name _____________ Street______________
"City _____________ State ____ Zip _____
"Sunshine Models Box 4997 Springfield MO 65808-4997"


I hope to see you there!

Regards,

-Jeff

--
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(916) 356-3533


Re: Ulrich rides again?

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

refering back to Jeff Aley's earlier post to the list:

"Their site may be browsed at http://www.railstop.com/default.asp ."

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To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Ulrich rides again?


My question: does anyone know whom owns the Ulrich
dies? Did Walthers destroy them or sell them or...?
I need quite a few of these cars myself!
Kevin Slark


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Re: Ulrich rides again?

thompson@...
 

Kevin Slark asked:
My question: does anyone know whom owns the Ulrich
dies? Did Walthers destroy them or sell them or...?
I need quite a few of these cars myself!
At the time Walthers discontinued them, the story was that some of the
dies had been damaged in a way that did not seem repairable. There was an
outfit which bought all the unsold parts and the remaining dies, and for a
time sold pieces (at first, you could buy most of the parts for a car). But
the side die was one of the damaged ones, and once the existing sides were
gone, no more complete cars.
The cars are usually readily found at model RR swap meets at reasonable
prices.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: Ulrich rides again?

Kevin Slark <MoffatRoad@...>
 

My question: does anyone know whom owns the Ulrich
dies? Did Walthers destroy them or sell them or...?
I need quite a few of these cars myself!
Kevin Slark
--- thompson@... wrote:
Larry Castle said:
I hope to model the SP in the 1930's. Don't I need
a fair number of
the "Ulrich Style" drop bottom gons? The kiln
dried Oregon lumber
would ship mostly in box cars but those gons could
help with the
timbers while we wait (hope) for those prewar SP
flats.

Yes, you do need them. SP bought 4250 of these
cars in the 1920s. By the
1930s they were a dominant feature of the SP gondola
fleet.


Heavy cast metal and cast on grabs aside is there
anything else around or
expected in HO that comes close? Brass won't do for
the numbers I
need.
No, I know of no other model of the 1920s
Enterprise car. Like you, I
would certainly welcome a styrene version of the
Ulrich car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press,
Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western
history



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