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Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
 

BX = SP B, FE = SP A, RR = R



ATSF used cap small-cap, not cap lower-case. Look at prototype photos. You
often see cap lower-case in text.



Doug Brown

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O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems







Santa Fe applied Bx, Fe, and Rr to box cars, depending on the design

and service of the car.







The ATSF's system capped the first letter of the car type and uncapped
the final letter. For instance, "Bx" designated for a boxcar; "Rr" for a
reefer; "Ga" for a Gondola, etc.. I don't know their classification for
a Covered Hopper.
I add:
Santa Fe used Ga for gondolas, open hoppers and covered hoppers








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Re: DL&W 40' 1937 AAR boxcars 51400-51749

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

You named about four. You have 46 to go. At present most of my attention is going into
building a layout. First I need to finish finishing the basement. Worrying about another 50
freight car trucks or so ain't high on my list. I would like to see that Chrysler truck
however.

Do you have a layout or plans to build one?

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Hey, Pat, 20 years ago there was the Athearn box car... and not a whole lot
else. Now there's about 600 different, accurate box car models out there...
And there are already about 50 freight car trucks made, but only a dozen are
really good. So why not? I'll start the list and you can add to it -- I'd
like a model that's exactly like the one on that DL&W box car... And also a
nice version of the coil-leaf-coil truck found on some DT&I box cars... And
a good 50 ton "Chrysler" truck... And more spring plank trucks in general.
With spring planks. Thanks.

If you don't ask for it, then you won't get it.

Tim O.


At 05:26 PM 3/12/2006, you wrote:
I said better match. I didn't say perfect match. Good luck getting 50 more styles. How
about listing them so we all know what you are talking about?

Pat Wider


Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Tim O'Connor
 

Santa Fe applied Bx, Fe, and Rr to box cars, depending on the design
and service of the car.

The ATSF's system capped the first letter of the car type and uncapped
the final letter. For instance, "Bx" designated for a boxcar; "Rr" for a
reefer; "Ga" for a Gondola, etc.. I don't know their classification for
a Covered Hopper.

I add:

Santa Fe used Ga for gondolas, open hoppers and covered hoppers


Re: DL&W 40' 1937 AAR boxcars 51400-51749

Tim O'Connor
 

Hey, Pat, 20 years ago there was the Athearn box car... and not a whole lot
else. Now there's about 600 different, accurate box car models out there...
And there are already about 50 freight car trucks made, but only a dozen are
really good. So why not? I'll start the list and you can add to it -- I'd
like a model that's exactly like the one on that DL&W box car... And also a
nice version of the coil-leaf-coil truck found on some DT&I box cars... And
a good 50 ton "Chrysler" truck... And more spring plank trucks in general.
With spring planks. Thanks.

If you don't ask for it, then you won't get it.

Tim O.

At 05:26 PM 3/12/2006, you wrote:
I said better match. I didn't say perfect match. Good luck getting 50 more styles. How
about listing them so we all know what you are talking about?

Pat Wider


Re: DL&W 40' 1937 AAR boxcars 51400-51749

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

I said better match. I didn't say perfect match. Good luck getting 50 more styles. How
about listing them so we all know what you are talking about?

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I'd say there is no match at all... I just looked at them all and either
the sideframes, journal box lids, springs or bolsters are at variance w/
the prototype. We need some more good trucks in HO!! About 50 more styles
I'd say.

Tim O'Connor


At 12:01 AM 3/12/2006, you wrote:
I disagree. I think Life-Like's "50-ton Spring Plankless Trucks" are a better
match for the trucks on DL&W 51500.

Pat Wider


Re: DL&W 40' 1937 AAR boxcars 51400-51749

Tim O'Connor
 

I'd say there is no match at all... I just looked at them all and either
the sideframes, journal box lids, springs or bolsters are at variance w/
the prototype. We need some more good trucks in HO!! About 50 more styles
I'd say.

Tim O'Connor

At 12:01 AM 3/12/2006, you wrote:
I disagree. I think Life-Like's "50-ton Spring Plankless Trucks" are a better
match for the trucks on DL&W 51500.

Pat Wider


Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

EHNBOM STAFFAN <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Larry Rice wrote:
PS... When did GN adopt this GST scheme? I don't know... I do note that the
stenciling applied to the cars (near and below the load limit line) appears
much more frequently after 1961. Try asking on the GN list.
Judging by their appearance in the GN "List of Equipment" there were no GST codes in the July 1963 edition, but they were in the July 1969 edition.

Staffan Ehnbom


Roundhouse/Athearn milk car

armprem
 

I have yet to examine this car closely,but it has been reported to have a retainer valve at both ends of the car.Is this prototypical?Armand Premo


Re: SP/T&NO S-40-5 stock car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:
Anybody have photos/drawings of these stock cars, especially the T&NO version?
Steve, they're in my book on the SP stock cars, and the drawing was in a Cyc. Maybe you could check some obvious sources before asking the list?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: NdeM.

jthirtysix
 

Rod , The way I think I remember the Carro Tienda cars is that Carro
Tienda is 'shop car' or 'store car' sort of a cross between LCL and a
rolling Wallmart serving the people along the line by stopping and
allowing sales from the cars. You decal set would be for a car selling
brewery products from the Moctezum brewery in the city of Orizaba...
You are correct about the decal panel... This car would not come in to
the states.
I wouldn't put a lot of trust in Walthers numbering or built date.
Their art work was good, made from photos of the cars but the
lettering and fonts were catch-as-catch-can.
Not all the cars were the same colors, I have a photo of a yellow with
red car number 63254 Carro Tienda number 15 built in 1948 with 6'
door, rolling pin ends and a roof like the metal Athern cars. Taken in
Chihuahua City in April 1969. Email me off line if you like, and I
will send you a photo . James Hickey

---

Hi James,

I have an O scale Walthers decal set 64-24 for an NdeM box car.

According the the painting and lettering diagram in the set, the car
body is orange with an approx. 2 foot wide red stripe just above the
middle of the car. In the stripe above the reporting marks in silver
is

FERROCARRILLESthe
NACIONALES
DE MEXICO

and in the stripe on the right side of the door are large words in
silver CARRO TIENDA. As far as I could find out that means holding
car.

There is a panel in the decal set that says

ASIGNADO EXCLUSIVAMENTE A
CERVECERIA MOCTEZUMA S.A.
PARA TRAFICO ENTRE
ORIZABA Y MEXICO

which my high school spanish translates into "Assigned exclusively to
the brewery Moctezuma S.A. for traffic between Orizaba and [the rest
of] Mexico". I have been told that Orizaba is noted for its breweries.


Thanks

Rod


Great Northern's GST list

blair kooistra <bkooistra@...>
 

Great Northern tended to stencil the car type designation per their "GST list" on their freight equipment. Once these cars got off line, however, how useful (if at all) were these equipment designations? Were these GN designations used by any other railroads? I have a feeling that NP may have used the same mechanical designations--I've got car movement records generated on the NP that reference equipment type using a GN-type GST method--B2 for 40' boxcars with 6' doors, R5 for a 50' insulated boxcar, R2 for your standard 40' ice-bunker reefer, R3 for a 50' mechanical reefer, etc.

Did the Hill lines develop a common mechanical designation system? Did the SP&S and CB&Q use the same designations? Were any other roads using this system?

I don't know how early NP was using these car codes; the paper work I'm referencing begins in 1959, just under the cutoff of this list. I do know that the Railroad-which-will-be-unnamed and came about due to the merger of 1970 adopted this system, and, looking at the word file I have with all the codes the unnamed-railroad used, expanded their useage quite a bit as car types and equipment became far more exotic and shipper-friendly.

--blair kooistra
fort worth, TX


AAR 50-Ton Hopper Car Request

Ed Hawkins
 

List members,
I'm doing some further research for the AAR 50-ton twin hoppers having offset sides and have a few loose ends with regard to the configuration of some. I would appreciate hearing replies from anyone having information, photos, or drawings, to help define the following. This information to help support a forthcoming article to be published in RMJ.

1. End configuration of CRP (later CNJ) 10001-10500 (Pressed Steel, 1944). Angle supports or Z-sections extending from the end sill to top of end?
2. The side sill arrangement for LNE 14001-14300 (Pressed Steel, 1941). Level or sloped between the bolsters and corners? Also, ends with angles or Z-sections?
3. Same request as #2 for LNE 14601-14900 (Bethlehem Steel, 1945).
4. Photo of Louisiana Midland 300 (builder and date unknown).
5. A close-up photo of SLOF (St. Louis & O'Fallon) 2500-2549, built Mount Vernon 1949. These cars became C&EI 96500-96549 circa 1954 and a photo from this series would also help. (I've seen the photos in the recent TRRA H&TS publication, but the cars are too distant)
6. Anything on D&M 500-5024 (General American, 1948).
7. Anything on NOPB 301-308 (New Orleans Public Belt).
8. Anything on P&PU 720-724 (Peoria & Pekin Union). I believe these were built by Pressed Steel in 1937.
9. Anything on Soo Line 66601-66799 odd numbers only (Pullman-Standard, 1937).

Thank you in advance.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Covered hopper bulk loads

Schuyler Larrabee
 

That's good, Andy, since "batch plant" is generic, and "Redi-Mix" is, I bet, a trade name.

SGL

Concerning the plants which make the transit mix product
(Concrete), how about substituting "Batch Plant" for
"Redi-Mix". The latter term is more likely to be used in a
Home Depot than by the professionals.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net>
wrote:
But cement, in the masonry and concrete business, is . . .cement.
Mortar is mortar, concrete is concrete. And neither one is . . .
cement. Sorry to be so stiff-necked about this, but it just a
personal thing that gets to me.



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Re: Covered hopper bulk loads

Andy Carlson
 

Concerning the plants which make the transit mix
product (Concrete), how about substituting "Batch
Plant" for "Redi-Mix". The latter term is more likely
to be used in a Home Depot than by the professionals.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net>
wrote:

But cement, in the masonry and concrete business, is
. . .cement. Mortar is mortar, concrete is
concrete. And neither one is . . . cement. Sorry
to be so stiff-necked about this, but it just a
personal thing that gets to me.


Re: SP/T&NO S-40-5 stock car

Bill Kelly
 

Steve,
_Trainshed #36_ and _Trainshed #61_ both have a photo and drawings (same
ones) of the S-40-5.
Later,
Bill Kelly


Steve Sandifer asked:

Anybody have photos/drawings of these stock cars, especially the T&NO
version?


Re: DL&W 40' 1937 AAR boxcars 51400-51749

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

I disagree. I think Life-Like's "50-ton Spring Plankless Trucks" are a better match for the
trucks on DL&W 51500.

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Mar 11, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

The truck side frames were Symington-Gould and the trucks were spring
plankless. My preference for these is the Tichy so-called "Bettendorf"
truck. I think this truck captures the right appearance as well as
any.
Richard or others might want to give their insight.
I agree.

Richard Hendrickson


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Re: DL&W 40' 1937 AAR boxcars 51400-51749

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 11, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

The truck side frames were Symington-Gould and the trucks were spring
plankless. My preference for these is the Tichy so-called "Bettendorf"
truck. I think this truck captures the right appearance as well as
any.
Richard or others might want to give their insight.
I agree.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Covered hopper bulk loads

Schuyler Larrabee
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

Art,
When I was a kid my Dad hauled concrete culverts out of Iowa Concrete
Products in Hampton, Iowa. Some Sundays I'd help him put in a rebuilt
engine in one of the lift trucks. Their spur either was or was
immediately adjacent to the connection between the M&StL
and the CGW on the north edge of Hampton. Their "silo" for storing
concrete was the covered hopper car.

Gene Green
I'm much more comfortable with the cement mill side of the
business than ready mix. But I agree with Gene. The silos
seen in many ready mix plants stored aggregate (typically,
gravel) and sand. The cement was unloaded through the bottom
outlet gates of the car, usually discharging into a bin below
the track (between the gauge). A screw conveyor would be
sufficient to move the cement from the bin to the mixer to be
blended with other ingredients: for concrete, aggregate and
sand; for "cement", as to lay up brick or concrete block, with sand.

Schuyler, if you have your ears on, don't be bashful about
correcting this info.

Jerry Dziedzic
Pattenburg, NJ
Nothing to take objection to as to methods of moving things, Jerry. I've seen cement blown around
with air as well as conveyors.

But what is used to lay up brick and concrete block (stone, too) is mortar. Mortar is made from
cement too, as you list it. Cement, plus sand and water, sometimes with other additives for
controlling the workability, length of time before hydration occurs, temperature in which it can be
used, things like that.

But cement, in the masonry and concrete business, is . . .cement. Mortar is mortar, concrete is
concrete. And neither one is . . . cement. Sorry to be so stiff-necked about this, but it just a
personal thing that gets to me.

SGL


Re: DL&W 40' 1937 AAR boxcars 51400-51749

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

I've just loaded a photo of a car from this series.

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

I am building a model of one of the above cars. The only photo I have is a
small one from an Ed Hawkins article in the July 1991 RMJ. I was wondering
what trucks were installed under this series?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


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