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ADMIN: Re: Atlas Union Pacific SD 24.= Not

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Arnold van Heyst writes with reference to an Atlas SD-24:

And what is the best way to do so?
Some good quality photo's would help a lot.

Arnold van Heyst.
Hmmm, here's another reference to an Atlas SD-24 and, as far as I know...there ain't no such steam era frt car. The originator has previously received a note that this subject does not belong on the STMFC...Clang!!...What was that? Sounded like a door closing in Moderate Jail [ the food's pretty bad ]. I suggest that anyone responding on the STMFC might consider not doing so...unless they need to get away for awhile...and need to be on a diet.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner [ and head jailer ]


GATC/Pfaudler milk cars

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

Things get here on the slow boat sometimes and I saw my first IM GATC/
Pfaudler 40' milk car kit this weekend! I've searched the archives,
RPI etc to no avail - what was the build date on these cars?

Regards
Bruce

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Re: ATSF Wood Caboose Questions

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 13, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Patrick Wider wrote:

Shouldn't the dates shown below be 1938 rather than 1838?

What is the time frame for ATSF vs. AT&SF reporting marks on the
cabooses?"
A.T.& S.F. before 1838; A.T.S.F. 1838-'44; A T S F after 1944.

Richard Hendrickson
Of course. If it were 1838, we'd be talking about the D&H, maybe, or the B&O.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Bruce Smith
 

Doug,

Thanks for reminding me of that photo. For modelers of the PRR H21 hopper, it is impressive to see that most if not all of the H21A hoppers in the shot seem to still have a partial length top chord.

Note that since these are cars in ore service, the color might not be appropriate for coal hoppers. Also, as we have discussed regarding this photo in the past, the exterior colors do vary a bit <G>!

BTW, the photo was taken by Jack Delano in 1943 and for those who didn't know, it is located in the Farm Services Administration archive at the Library of Congress site <G>. http://memory.loc.gov

Regards
Bruce

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On Mar 13, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Doug Brown wrote:

Here is a great color photo of hopper car interiors.
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34800/1a34826v.jpg <>

Doug Brown


Re: ATSF Wood Caboose Questions

Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
 

I was wondering what they used between 1838 and 1938. <G>

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Phew! Good thing you caught that one Pat! I'd have wasted
months looking for 167 year old decals without your help.

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From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@sbcglobal.net>
Shouldn't the dates shown below be 1938 rather than 1838?

Pat Wider


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Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
 

Tim,

Even when you use HTML to make the second letter smaller, it comes through
to the group as BX, FE AND RR. Pennsy fans have the same problem with
subclass characters. What good is rivet counting if the lettering is not
correct? <G>

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Talk about hypercritical nitpicking! Someone wrote that the
Santa Fe used "Bx" for box cars (note the small X Pat, I put
that in just for you) and I simply said they also used Fe and
Rr (Oops did it again gosh I'm so sorry Pat) for cars. You can
ALWAYS find SOMEONE who called them something else. Was
the UP wrong because they DIDN'T use a reefer designation
for insulated "bunkerless refrigerator" cars? Why did some
railroads use XMI rather than RBL? Who knows? Who cares?
I sure don't. But if someone were trying to model the Santa
Fe and ran across an Rr-whatever they might go off looking
for a photo of an ice or mechanical reefer, not knowing that
the Santa Fe considered insulated box cars to be "reefers".
That was the only point, and it's perfectly correct as such.
Some people have their "terminology political correctness"
antennas set on ultra-high. And Pat, if you'll show me how
to type a large and a small capital letter using the ASCII
alphabet, with Eudora, and without wasting a lot of time
and energy, then I am sure I will comply.

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NdeM Boxcars

jim peters <jimpeters90@...>
 

Good afternoon,

I will respond to both James and Arnold at the same
time . . .

I model the NdeM, and James I would very much like if
you would add me to your list for the Mexican boxcar
photos. Please send to jimpeters90@hotmail.ca

Arnold - basically just use any standard AAR boxcar
model. There are some very distinct features, but are
only outstanding to the die-hard rivet counters.
There is one feature on the 10'-0 IH cars you will
have to include - All had straight end-to-end side
sills. On the 10'-6 IH there is one detail that may
cause problems - most of the cars had 12-panel riveted
sides.

To model the various cars in HO use:
60000 - 61299 1932 ARA . . Sunshie Models #21.36
61300 - 62909 1937 AAR . . Red Caboose (W-Corner)
62910 - 64409 10'-0 IH . . InterMountain #40799
- Use 4/3 ends from InterMountain
66001 - 67500 10'-6 IH . . InterMountain #40899
- 1st 500 cars use Branchline End 2E with the small
rectangular rib removed.
- Remaining cars use Branchline End 1E
- All had diagonal panel roofs
67501 - 69755 and 72000 - 76809 are 10'-6 IH cars with
6' wide doors and 12-Panel riveted sides - I do not
know of any kits curently on the market to model this
group of cars.
76810 - 78004 and 78625 - 78741 10'-6 IH with 8'wide
door . . . Branchline Trains #1500

The best decals in HO and N scales are from Eresvel in
Mexico City.

Saludos mi amigos,

Jim Peters
Coquitlam, BC

A side note; tienda means shop or store. I think you
will find it should read 'ferro-tienda'. Ferro-tienda
is a rail store in a boxcar. A group of approximately
25 rebuilt boxcars operated by CONASUPO, a government
agency whose mandate was to provide the basic goods to
the general population. These cars do not fall within
the defination of our group. They were operated from
the late 60's to the mid 90's. Jim

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Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
 

Here is a great color photo of hopper car interiors.
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34800/1a34826v.jpg <>



Doug Brown


Atlas Union Pacific SD 24.

Arnold van Heyst
 

And what is the best way to do so?
Some good quality photo's would help a lot.

Arnold van Heyst.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <robev1630@...> wrote:

Arnold,
A good match would be filthy black. Those early turbos got really dirty.
Rob Manley
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Atlas Union Pacific SD 24.


Sirs,

I've recently purchased 2 Atlas Union Pacific SD24 loco's.
But some grey paint felt of the model, and the roof of 1 cab has also
some paint damage.
What is the proper grey tint to re-paint these models?
Can you provide me some paint perhaps?

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.
(U.P. freight 1947-1961)





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Re: NdeM modeling

Andy Carlson
 

And let us not overlook the Morning Sun all-color book
of Mexico.
-Andy

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There are at least three lists to which one could go
for more info on Nacionales de M�xico/Ferrocarriles
Nacionales modeling: South_of_the_Border,
Nacionalesdemexicomodelling [sic], and Mexlist. I
am familiar with the latter, and there are many
knolwedgeable people there who would, I believe, be
willing to help. Of course you will have mucha
oportunidad to practice your high school espa�ol.

Doug Polinder
Lowell MI


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NdeM modeling

Doug Polinder
 

There are at least three lists to which one could go for more info on Nacionales de México/Ferrocarriles Nacionales modeling: South_of_the_Border, Nacionalesdemexicomodelling [sic], and Mexlist. I am familiar with the latter, and there are many knolwedgeable people there who would, I believe, be willing to help. Of course you will have mucha oportunidad to practice your high school español.

Doug Polinder
Lowell MI


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Re: ATSF Wood Caboose Questions

Tim O'Connor
 

Phew! Good thing you caught that one Pat! I'd have wasted
months looking for 167 year old decals without your help.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@sbcglobal.net>
Shouldn't the dates shown below be 1938 rather than 1838?

Pat Wider


Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Tim O'Connor
 

Talk about hypercritical nitpicking! Someone wrote that the
Santa Fe used "Bx" for box cars (note the small X Pat, I put
that in just for you) and I simply said they also used Fe and
Rr (Oops did it again gosh I'm so sorry Pat) for cars. You can
ALWAYS find SOMEONE who called them something else. Was
the UP wrong because they DIDN'T use a reefer designation
for insulated "bunkerless refrigerator" cars? Why did some
railroads use XMI rather than RBL? Who knows? Who cares?
I sure don't. But if someone were trying to model the Santa
Fe and ran across an Rr-whatever they might go off looking
for a photo of an ice or mechanical reefer, not knowing that
the Santa Fe considered insulated box cars to be "reefers".
That was the only point, and it's perfectly correct as such.
Some people have their "terminology political correctness"
antennas set on ultra-high. And Pat, if you'll show me how
to type a large and a small capital letter using the ASCII
alphabet, with Eudora, and without wasting a lot of time
and energy, then I am sure I will comply.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

As Doug Brown previously pointed out the designations listed below should be BX, FE, and
RR with the second letter smaller than the first. The designations as shown are incorrect.

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Storzek" <dstorzek@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:



Santa Fe applied Bx, Fe, and Rr to box cars, depending on the design
and service of the car.
That's not true, because house cars with wider than normal doors have
always been considered to be different from boxcars; the AAR persisted
in calling them automobile cars for years, whether they carried
automobiles or not, and carriage or furniture cars before that. Fe is
Santa Fe's class designation for Furniture. Likewise, AAR designation
RBL cars have always been considered refrigerator cars, Santa Fe class
designation Rr. In addition, when first developed, hoppers were
"hopper bottom gondolas", so it is perfectly logical for Chico to keep
classifying hoppers as Ga.

Dennis Storzek


Re: ATSF Wood Caboose Questions

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Shouldn't the dates shown below be 1938 rather than 1838?

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Mar 13, 2006, at 6:11 AM, Scott Pitzer wrote:

For the benefit of a poster on another list:
"Today I was in my local hobby shop and was looking at the Walthers
Platinum Line HO ATSF wood cabooses. They look pretty good. I noticed
that the roof is the same brown as the rest of the caboose.

Can anyone let me know when they started painting/coating them black?
To cite the Painting and Lettering Guide which I compiled for the Santa
Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society in 1990, an anti-slip matt
black finish was applied to way car roofs (including cupola roofs) ca.
1930 - ca. 1945 , but not on all cars. Photographic evidence is clear
that many way cars had black roofs, but that some did not. And, of
course, since most of the photographic evidence was B/W, it's often
hard to tell whether the roofs were the same color as the car body or
not.

What would the correct lens color combinations be for the marker
lights as per ATSF practice?
Red to the rear, amber to the sides and front.

What is the time frame for ATSF vs. AT&SF reporting marks on the
cabooses?"
A.T.& S.F. before 1838; A.T.S.F. 1838-'44; A T S F after 1944.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: ATSF Wood Caboose Questions

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 13, 2006, at 6:11 AM, Scott Pitzer wrote:

For the benefit of a poster on another list:
"Today I was in my local hobby shop and was looking at the Walthers Platinum Line HO ATSF wood cabooses. They look pretty good. I noticed that the roof is the same brown as the rest of the caboose.

Can anyone let me know when they started painting/coating them black?
To cite the Painting and Lettering Guide which I compiled for the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society in 1990, an anti-slip matt black finish was applied to way car roofs (including cupola roofs) ca. 1930 - ca. 1945 , but not on all cars. Photographic evidence is clear that many way cars had black roofs, but that some did not. And, of course, since most of the photographic evidence was B/W, it's often hard to tell whether the roofs were the same color as the car body or not.

What would the correct lens color combinations be for the marker lights as per ATSF practice?
Red to the rear, amber to the sides and front.

What is the time frame for ATSF vs. AT&SF reporting marks on the cabooses?"
A.T.& S.F. before 1838; A.T.S.F. 1838-'44; A T S F after 1944.

Richard Hendrickson


ATSF Wood Caboose Questions

Scott Pitzer
 

For the benefit of a poster on another list:
"Today I was in my local hobby shop and was looking at the Walthers Platinum Line HO ATSF wood cabooses. They look pretty good. I noticed that the roof is the same brown as the rest of the caboose.

Can anyone let me know when they started painting/coating them black?

What would the correct lens color combinations be for the marker lights as per ATSF practice?

What is the time frame for ATSF vs. AT&SF reporting marks on the cabooses?"

Scott Pitzer


B&O M65 vs. M64

mopacfirst
 

This is a continuation of a previous thread.
I finally found a shot of a B&O M65 (the point of this is that I'm
trying to build a Branchline car). This shot is on rr-
fallenflags.com and is mislabeled on the index as car 286135. This
can't be right since the 286000 series was 40' cars during the period
of interest. But, the image itself is correctly labeled as 288135,
and the car in question is carrying what our colleagues of 1960 could
have only considered a fantasy scheme, Chessie System. (Or, perhaps,
a nightmare scheme.)
Here's what I'm trying to determine. There is a shot in RMJ Aug 99,
in the Hawkins article on the 50' DD cars buildable from Branchline,
of a B&O M64, series 469100-469399, built 6-56. This car has an
extended sidesill reinforcement, tapering at the ends to meet the
bolster tabs. Many later cars were built this way. But, the M65,
built a year later, seems to have an earlier style of sidesill
reinforcement in which the left-hand end of the sidesill tapers to
meet the bolster tab but the right-hand end does not, it ends just
past the end of the door track and there is not only a bolster
sidesill tab but one intermediate tab. In other words, this car is
framed less rigidly than its predecessor was.
My main question: I'm relying on one shot of each class of cars.
Are there other pictures out there that confirm this configuration?
Has anyone researched this?

Ron Merrick


Re: Covered hopper bulk loads

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

Thanks for the info everyone!

I take it that the screw conveyor could be underground? There is
nothing in the photo which would indicate an above ground conveyor
from trackside to the mixer.
Thanks!
Phil Buchwald


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Dziedzic" <jerdz@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@> wrote:

Art,
When I was a kid my Dad hauled concrete culverts out of Iowa
Concrete
Products in Hampton, Iowa. Some Sundays I'd help him put in a
rebuilt engine in one of the lift trucks. Their spur either was
or
was immediately adjacent to the connection between the M&StL and
the
CGW on the north edge of Hampton. Their "silo" for storing
concrete
was the covered hopper car.

Gene Green
I'm much more comfortable with the cement mill side of the
business
than ready mix. But I agree with Gene. The silos seen in many
ready
mix plants stored aggregate (typically, gravel) and sand. The
cement
was unloaded through the bottom outlet gates of the car, usually
discharging into a bin below the track (between the gauge). A
screw
conveyor would be sufficient to move the cement from the bin to
the
mixer to be blended with other ingredients: for concrete,
aggregate and
sand; for "cement", as to lay up brick or concrete block, with
sand.

Schuyler, if you have your ears on, don't be bashful about
correcting
this info.


Jerry Dziedzic
Pattenburg, NJ


Re: Timonium resinators report

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Tim,

I did not see any at Timonium either. I picked up a half dozen
undecorated P2K insulated cars from Sattler's in Westmont NJ, but they
were ones that I had ordered in advance. When I picked them up, the
owner advised that he had the decorated cars on order, but had not
gotten any as yet.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu

timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:

I didn't see any P2K insulated tank cars at Springfield, and there
were none on display at the Walthers booth.. The Athearn gondolas
have been out for a while, and many dealers at Springfield (Amherst
club show) had the PS2 2893 covered hoppers. They are excellent.
The Walthers 2893 looks poor compared to the Athearn. The running
board is especially bad.

Tim O'Connor


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P2K Insulated Tank Cars
Athearn Mill Gon
Athearn Covered Hopper
Did anyone see these at the show? Were these seen at the Amhearst
show?
Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.



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