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Re: Covered hopper bulk loads

al_brown03
 

I tend to think sand was more common earlier. I vaguely recall my dad
griping about road salt, in the early 60s. Older list members probably
know more about this than I do.

Salt will get a paved road clear, of course, by lowering the freezing
point of water and melting the snow off the road. If it's too cold out
that doesn't work, so in very cold parts of the country (e.g. Montana)
sand is common to this day. If sand is put on a road it's still snow-
covered but there's better traction. I suspect salt became more common
as more roads in rural areas were paved. If you salt a dirt road all
you accomplish is to start mud season early.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote:

Other than lower Michigan, the Kansas City area, and upstate
New York, what other areas of the country produce rock salt in
great quantities? And was rock salt as popular for road use in
the 1950's as it became in later years?

Tim O.


Hopper interior colors (was Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems)

Jack Mullen
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "David Smith" <dsmith@...> wrote:

There are many other steam- and transition-era photos in this
collection, but browsing from the root directory (truncating the
URL) is
tedious and devoid of information about time and place. Does
anyone
know of an interface to make that easier - especially one that
might
include captions?

Dave Smith, really enjoying this trove of photos

Try:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html
and try searching for any railroad relevant term that occurs to you.
The search will return a list of captions.
There's no interface with pages of thumbnails, if that's what you
had in mind - but with over 160,000 photos, that might not be too
pracitcal either.

Jack Mullen


Re: Hopper interior colors (was Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems)

David Smith <dsmith@...>
 

There are many other steam- and transition-era photos in this
collection, but browsing from the root directory (truncating the URL) is
tedious and devoid of information about time and place. Does anyone
know of an interface to make that easier - especially one that might
include captions?

Dave Smith, really enjoying this trove of photos


Re: ATSF Wood Caboose Questions

Scott Pitzer
 

In that case I can't make a joke about AT&SF circa 1838: "Arrows, Tomahawks, and the Southwestern Frontier."

What's embarrassing is that I have Richard's book, but I forgot that it included cabooses.

Scott Pitzer


Actually, if it were 1838 we wouldn't be talking at all...the time period of
the STMFC being from 1900-1960...inclusive.<G>.

Mike Brock


Re: Hopper interior colors (was Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Cleveland, right, Doug?

SGL

Iron ore from Great Lakes boats. You can see more detail if
you brighten the photo.
Doug Brown

Great photo! What product is being filled into the car in the middle?
Gene Green

Here is a great color photo of hopper car interiors.
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34800/1a34826v.jpg
<>
Doug Brown


Hopper interior colors (was Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems)

Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
 

Iron ore from Great Lakes boats. You can see more detail if you brighten the
photo.
Doug Brown

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Great photo! What product is being filled into the car in the middle?
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Brown" <g.brown1@...> wrote:

Here is a great color photo of hopper car interiors.
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34800/1a34826v.jpg
<>



Doug Brown


Re: ATSF Wood Caboose Questions

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson, noted frt car and Santa Fe guru, writes:

Of course. If it were 1838, we'd be talking about the D&H, maybe, or
the B&O.
Actually, if it were 1838 we wouldn't be talking at all...the time period of the STMFC being from 1900-1960...inclusive.<G>.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Great photo! What product is being filled into the car in the middle?
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Brown" <g.brown1@...> wrote:

Here is a great color photo of hopper car interiors.
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34800/1a34826v.jpg
<>



Doug Brown





ADMIN: Re: Atlas Union Pacific SD 24.= Not

bobbypitts44 <bobbypitts44@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Arnold van Heyst writes with reference to an Atlas SD-24:

And what is the best way to do so?
Some good quality photo's would help a lot.

Arnold van Heyst.
Hmmm, here's another reference to an Atlas SD-24 and, as far as I
know...there ain't no such steam era frt car. The originator has
previously
received a note that this subject does not belong on the
STMFC...Clang!!...What was that? Sounded like a door closing in
Moderate
Jail [ the food's pretty bad ]. I suggest that anyone responding on
the
STMFC might consider not doing so...unless they need to get away
for
awhile...and need to be on a diet.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner [ and head jailer ]
MIKE, I LIKE YOUR STYLE !!!!!!!!! Bobby


Re: Covered hopper bulk loads

mopacfirst
 

And Hutchinson, Kansas.

Santa Fe insulated cars converted from Bx3/6, and a group of 25 MP 40'
plug door XI, MP 96000-96024, built 1955, later MP 775000-775023. I
don't know if there were other boxcars built/modified for salt service.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote:

Other than lower Michigan, the Kansas City area, and upstate
New York, what other areas of the country produce rock salt in
great quantities? <snip>


Re: B&O M65 vs. M64

al_brown03
 

Two M65's are shown in Bossler's "B&O Color Guide to Freight and
Passenger Equipment", p 65 (really; both on same page). Both have
the style you describe for their class, with the shorter sidesill
reinforcement plus bolster tab and intermediate tab.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

This is a continuation of a previous thread.
I finally found a shot of a B&O M65 (the point of this is that I'm
trying to build a Branchline car). This shot is on rr-
fallenflags.com and is mislabeled on the index as car 286135.
This
can't be right since the 286000 series was 40' cars during the
period
of interest. But, the image itself is correctly labeled as
288135,
and the car in question is carrying what our colleagues of 1960
could
have only considered a fantasy scheme, Chessie System. (Or,
perhaps,
a nightmare scheme.)
Here's what I'm trying to determine. There is a shot in RMJ Aug
99,
in the Hawkins article on the 50' DD cars buildable from
Branchline,
of a B&O M64, series 469100-469399, built 6-56. This car has an
extended sidesill reinforcement, tapering at the ends to meet the
bolster tabs. Many later cars were built this way. But, the M65,
built a year later, seems to have an earlier style of sidesill
reinforcement in which the left-hand end of the sidesill tapers to
meet the bolster tab but the right-hand end does not, it ends just
past the end of the door track and there is not only a bolster
sidesill tab but one intermediate tab. In other words, this car
is
framed less rigidly than its predecessor was.
My main question: I'm relying on one shot of each class of cars.
Are there other pictures out there that confirm this
configuration?
Has anyone researched this?

Ron Merrick


Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Brown" <g.brown1@...> wrote:

Tim,

Even when you use HTML to make the second letter smaller, it comes
through
to the group as BX, FE AND RR. Pennsy fans have the same problem with
subclass characters. What good is rivet counting if the lettering is not
correct? <G>
Small caps are used to indicate lower case in fonts that don't have
lower case. Therefore, I don't see any problem in using lower case to
indicate small caps when the small caps can't be had. Nobody is going
to do decal art from the printed text of an e-mail message without
other reference, at least I hope not.

Dennis Storzek


ADMIN: Re: Atlas Union Pacific SD 24.= Not

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Arnold van Heyst writes with reference to an Atlas SD-24:

And what is the best way to do so?
Some good quality photo's would help a lot.

Arnold van Heyst.
Hmmm, here's another reference to an Atlas SD-24 and, as far as I know...there ain't no such steam era frt car. The originator has previously received a note that this subject does not belong on the STMFC...Clang!!...What was that? Sounded like a door closing in Moderate Jail [ the food's pretty bad ]. I suggest that anyone responding on the STMFC might consider not doing so...unless they need to get away for awhile...and need to be on a diet.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner [ and head jailer ]


GATC/Pfaudler milk cars

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

Things get here on the slow boat sometimes and I saw my first IM GATC/
Pfaudler 40' milk car kit this weekend! I've searched the archives,
RPI etc to no avail - what was the build date on these cars?

Regards
Bruce

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Re: ATSF Wood Caboose Questions

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 13, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Patrick Wider wrote:

Shouldn't the dates shown below be 1938 rather than 1838?

What is the time frame for ATSF vs. AT&SF reporting marks on the
cabooses?"
A.T.& S.F. before 1838; A.T.S.F. 1838-'44; A T S F after 1944.

Richard Hendrickson
Of course. If it were 1838, we'd be talking about the D&H, maybe, or the B&O.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Bruce Smith
 

Doug,

Thanks for reminding me of that photo. For modelers of the PRR H21 hopper, it is impressive to see that most if not all of the H21A hoppers in the shot seem to still have a partial length top chord.

Note that since these are cars in ore service, the color might not be appropriate for coal hoppers. Also, as we have discussed regarding this photo in the past, the exterior colors do vary a bit <G>!

BTW, the photo was taken by Jack Delano in 1943 and for those who didn't know, it is located in the Farm Services Administration archive at the Library of Congress site <G>. http://memory.loc.gov

Regards
Bruce

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On Mar 13, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Doug Brown wrote:

Here is a great color photo of hopper car interiors.
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34800/1a34826v.jpg <>

Doug Brown


Re: ATSF Wood Caboose Questions

Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
 

I was wondering what they used between 1838 and 1938. <G>

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: ATSF Wood Caboose Questions

Phew! Good thing you caught that one Pat! I'd have wasted
months looking for 167 year old decals without your help.

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From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@sbcglobal.net>
Shouldn't the dates shown below be 1938 rather than 1838?

Pat Wider


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Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
 

Tim,

Even when you use HTML to make the second letter smaller, it comes through
to the group as BX, FE AND RR. Pennsy fans have the same problem with
subclass characters. What good is rivet counting if the lettering is not
correct? <G>

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Talk about hypercritical nitpicking! Someone wrote that the
Santa Fe used "Bx" for box cars (note the small X Pat, I put
that in just for you) and I simply said they also used Fe and
Rr (Oops did it again gosh I'm so sorry Pat) for cars. You can
ALWAYS find SOMEONE who called them something else. Was
the UP wrong because they DIDN'T use a reefer designation
for insulated "bunkerless refrigerator" cars? Why did some
railroads use XMI rather than RBL? Who knows? Who cares?
I sure don't. But if someone were trying to model the Santa
Fe and ran across an Rr-whatever they might go off looking
for a photo of an ice or mechanical reefer, not knowing that
the Santa Fe considered insulated box cars to be "reefers".
That was the only point, and it's perfectly correct as such.
Some people have their "terminology political correctness"
antennas set on ultra-high. And Pat, if you'll show me how
to type a large and a small capital letter using the ASCII
alphabet, with Eudora, and without wasting a lot of time
and energy, then I am sure I will comply.

Tim O'Connor





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NdeM Boxcars

jim peters <jimpeters90@...>
 

Good afternoon,

I will respond to both James and Arnold at the same
time . . .

I model the NdeM, and James I would very much like if
you would add me to your list for the Mexican boxcar
photos. Please send to jimpeters90@hotmail.ca

Arnold - basically just use any standard AAR boxcar
model. There are some very distinct features, but are
only outstanding to the die-hard rivet counters.
There is one feature on the 10'-0 IH cars you will
have to include - All had straight end-to-end side
sills. On the 10'-6 IH there is one detail that may
cause problems - most of the cars had 12-panel riveted
sides.

To model the various cars in HO use:
60000 - 61299 1932 ARA . . Sunshie Models #21.36
61300 - 62909 1937 AAR . . Red Caboose (W-Corner)
62910 - 64409 10'-0 IH . . InterMountain #40799
- Use 4/3 ends from InterMountain
66001 - 67500 10'-6 IH . . InterMountain #40899
- 1st 500 cars use Branchline End 2E with the small
rectangular rib removed.
- Remaining cars use Branchline End 1E
- All had diagonal panel roofs
67501 - 69755 and 72000 - 76809 are 10'-6 IH cars with
6' wide doors and 12-Panel riveted sides - I do not
know of any kits curently on the market to model this
group of cars.
76810 - 78004 and 78625 - 78741 10'-6 IH with 8'wide
door . . . Branchline Trains #1500

The best decals in HO and N scales are from Eresvel in
Mexico City.

Saludos mi amigos,

Jim Peters
Coquitlam, BC

A side note; tienda means shop or store. I think you
will find it should read 'ferro-tienda'. Ferro-tienda
is a rail store in a boxcar. A group of approximately
25 rebuilt boxcars operated by CONASUPO, a government
agency whose mandate was to provide the basic goods to
the general population. These cars do not fall within
the defination of our group. They were operated from
the late 60's to the mid 90's. Jim

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Re: Harriman Codes -Some Other RR's Systems

Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
 

Here is a great color photo of hopper car interiors.
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34800/1a34826v.jpg <>



Doug Brown

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