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Re: Shell Tank Cars

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I got a couple of those (P2K) also, anyone for a trade--50's tanks for 30's
tanks.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Shell Tank Cars

thompson@...
 

Richard replies:
I've never said that...What I HAVE said
is that numerous models with yellow
tanks and red lettering purporting to represent cars in service in the
1940s and later are all bogus.
Thanks for clearing this up.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Shell Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Off hand I remember a yellow Shell tank car...
Doesn't our guru Hendrickson state that there was no such paint scheme?
I've never said that. There is documentary evidence that some cars were
delivered in the 1920s to SEPX (Shell Eastern Products) and RPX (Roxana
Petroleum) with yellow tanks and red billboard lettering. What I HAVE said
is that those paint schemes didn't last long, the photographic evidence
showing that all of the Shell affiliates went to a more practical black
with white stenciling in the 1930s, and that numerous models with yellow
tanks and red lettering purporting to represent cars in service in the
1940s and later are all bogus. (Shell of Calif. did put Shell logos above
the reporting marks on some cars in the 1950s, as correctly represented by
Life-Like's 8K gal. AC&F Type 21 models.)

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Shell Tank Cars

Ned Carey <westernmd@...>
 

(Shell of Calif. did put Shell logos above
the reporting marks on some cars in the 1950s, as correctly represented by
Life-Like's 8K gal. AC&F Type 21 models.)
The 50s! Oh poop another car into the trash can.

Ned


Back Issues

Earl Tuson
 

Well, I doubt I have as many back issues as Paul Gibson or these other folks,
but my wife and I have peddling the late Harry Frye's magazine collection at
local train shows here in NH. It is beginning to get somewhat picked over,
with most of the higher value mags gone, but I might as well get the word out
here. It has been our intent to "finish" with this endeavor this April, as we
don't feel we can continue to cover table costs after that point. If you need
something, send a message to trainmags@yahoo.com .

As for the ARA steel boxcar article in the 6/98 RMJ, that one got cut out and
placed into my binder...

Earl Tuson

From: "Michael Carson" <mbcarson@together.net>

I don't know of another back issue source with a web
presence. The classified ads in the February 2002 Model
Railroader list two other sources; the San Diego Model
Railroad Museum and Wesley Wolf of Kent, OH. Mr. Wolf, I
think, just recently bought out a long time east coast back
issue dealer.

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Re: RY Proto CYC

mbcarson2002
 

October 2001, IIRC. I guess we could quibble if
October is more than a couple months ago. The older I get
the faster time seems to go, but Volume 6 came out after the
warm weather left Vermont. After I replied to your question,
I checked the RPC website and it was silent about the next
issue/volume.

Mike Carson

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Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2002 22:14
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RY Proto CYC


: Was it only a couple of months ago?
: WOW
: Thank you
: Larry Jackman
:
: Michael Carson wrote:
: >
: > Larry,
: >
: > Don't think so. Volume 6 "just" hit the streets
a
: > couple of months ago. And my appreciation is there is a
: > hell of a lot of work that goes into each volume.
: > Personally I would rather have them come with the usual
: > preparation and maintain the quality rather than hurry
and
: > have the quality suffer.
: >
: > Regards,
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Re: RY Proto CYC

ljack70117@...
 

Was it only a couple of months ago?
WOW
Thank you
Larry Jackman

Michael Carson wrote:


Larry,

Don't think so. Volume 6 "just" hit the streets a
couple of months ago. And my appreciation is there is a
hell of a lot of work that goes into each volume.
Personally I would rather have them come with the usual
preparation and maintain the quality rather than hurry and
have the quality suffer.

Regards,


Re: Other freight car modeling inspirations

mbcarson2002
 

But then again children's books aren't noted as
reliable prototype reference material. First the interest,
then later (in certain cases, infinitely later) the
discipline of prototype fidelity.

Mike Carson

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2002 20:51
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Other freight car modeling inspirations


: >> Off hand I remember a yellow Shell tank car...
:
: Doesn't our guru Hendrickson state that there was no
such paint scheme?
:
: Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley,
CA
: 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
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Re: Replacing Leaf Springs

mbcarson2002
 

Norm,

Back in pre-history, Walthers had replacement leaf
springs. However they have not be offered for a decade or
so. I understand Precision Scale has replacement leaf
springs as part of their product line.

Hope it helps,

Mike Carson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net>
To: "steamfreight" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2002 21:01
Subject: [STMFC] Replacing Leaf Springs


: Going through my hell-box I came across a pair of tender
trucks which had
: been put out to pasture because a leaf-spring broke and
another is on
: permanent vacation in a dense pile carpet.
:
: I can (and have) replaced coil springs for
freight/passenger car trucks,
: but where can I get or how can I make replacement leaf
springs that at
: least look plausible. I'm willing to replace every one if
necessary to get
: uniformity. FWIW, each truck uses 4 leaf springs, two on
each side, that
: are about .060"/1.5mm wide and it looks like it would be a
small major
: project to convert them to coil springs.
:
: Thanks
: Norm
:
:
: (Humble apologies if this is a duplicate posting; my
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: occasionally does some undecipherable things).
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Replacing Leaf Springs

Norm Dresner <ndrez@...>
 

Going through my hell-box I came across a pair of tender trucks which had
been put out to pasture because a leaf-spring broke and another is on
permanent vacation in a dense pile carpet.

I can (and have) replaced coil springs for freight/passenger car trucks,
but where can I get or how can I make replacement leaf springs that at
least look plausible. I'm willing to replace every one if necessary to get
uniformity. FWIW, each truck uses 4 leaf springs, two on each side, that
are about .060"/1.5mm wide and it looks like it would be a small major
project to convert them to coil springs.

Thanks
Norm


(Humble apologies if this is a duplicate posting; my reader/e-mail program
occasionally does some undecipherable things).


Re: Other freight car modeling inspirations

thompson@...
 

Off hand I remember a yellow Shell tank car...
Doesn't our guru Hendrickson state that there was no such paint scheme?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: Other freight car modeling inspirations

Ted Culotta <ted_culotta@...>
 

Same book, same experience! I just bought copy on
ebay a few years ago to relive it.

Ted Culotta

--- scott459 <scott459@msn.com> wrote:
Perhaps my first exposure to "the world of freight
cars" was, (drumroll please...) "The Big Book of
Real Trains."
It had cutaway views and explanations of how steam
and diesel locomotives work, and diagrams showing
what train crew members do. Then there were at
least a dozen large illustrations (color paintings
or pencil sketches) of various freight car types.
Off hand I remember a yellow Shell tank car (yes, I
know plain schemes were much more common) and an NKP
gon being loaded with pipe.
I still have the book and I've always intended to
look up the car numbers in the ORER as a starting
point for modeling at least one of the cars-- as it
really was, not relying on the book.
Anyone else already gone this route?

Scott Pitzer



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Re: RY Proto CYC

mbcarson2002
 

Larry,

Don't think so. Volume 6 "just" hit the streets a
couple of months ago. And my appreciation is there is a
hell of a lot of work that goes into each volume.
Personally I would rather have them come with the usual
preparation and maintain the quality rather than hurry and
have the quality suffer.

Regards,

Mike Carson

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2002 19:39
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RY Proto CYC


: Has Vol 7 come out yet?
: Thank you
: Larry Jackman
:
: ian clasper wrote:
: >
: > Hi Ned
: >
: > Invest in :
: >
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: > RP CYC 4
: >
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: >
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Other freight car modeling inspirations

scott459 <scott459@...>
 

Perhaps my first exposure to "the world of freight cars" was, (drumroll please...) "The Big Book of Real Trains."
It had cutaway views and explanations of how steam and diesel locomotives work, and diagrams showing what train crew members do. Then there were at least a dozen large illustrations (color paintings or pencil sketches) of various freight car types. Off hand I remember a yellow Shell tank car (yes, I know plain schemes were much more common) and an NKP gon being loaded with pipe.
I still have the book and I've always intended to look up the car numbers in the ORER as a starting point for modeling at least one of the cars-- as it really was, not relying on the book.
Anyone else already gone this route?

Scott Pitzer


Re: WM auto car

scott459 <scott459@...>
 

I'm guessing this photo is from the "Sunshine" prototype series:
WM 30172, RMJ Oct '88 (among C&O locos and hoppers, in a hillside view of Hinton yard in 1947)
Scott Pitzer


Re: RY Proto CYC

ljack70117@...
 

Has Vol 7 come out yet?
Thank you
Larry Jackman

ian clasper wrote:


Hi Ned

Invest in :

Railway Prototype Cyclopaedia
RP CYC 4

http://hometown.aol.com/rpcyc/rpcychome.html


Re: RY Proto CYC

HAWK0621@...
 

In a message dated 1/24/02 9:45:51 PM, mbcarson@together.net writes:

October 2001, IIRC. I guess we could quibble if
October is more than a couple months ago. The older I get
the faster time seems to go, but Volume 6 came out after the
warm weather left Vermont. After I replied to your question,
I checked the RPC website and it was silent about the next
issue/volume.
Mike,

Volume 7 is in work and anticipated for release this spring (perhaps April).
It will contain a relatively long article on express refrigerator cars, EMD
F3 Phase III locomotives, and one freight car article that for now will be a
surprise. The text for articles is essentially complete and we've been
working on scanning photos. The page layout phase will begin very soon. We
will update the web site when we have a known target date for Vol. 7
completion.

Regarding difficulties reported earlier today encountered with accessing the
RP CYC web site, I too had problems today and contacted the AOL technical
support staff for an explanation. No reply at this time. As of 11:00 pm CST,
it is still not functioning properly. We have made no changes lately so it
must be a system problem.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Recognizing Freight Truck Types

Norm Dresner <ndrez@...>
 

How come I can always count on Good Old RPI?

Thanks

Norm ('62)

----- Original Message -----
From: John Nehrich <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Recognizing Freight Truck Types


Norm - On our web site
(http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/index.html)
there is a glossary section which included some information about some of
the various truck types by name (as well as running board and brake wheel
types, etc.), although it is still "a work in progress". But also I have
started a freight truck section (go to the "What's New" section.), which
also is in progress. - John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net>
To: "steamfreight" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:08 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Recognizing Freight Truck Types


I've been away from this hobby too long. I started in the middle of
the last century when I was in my early teens and continued (some)
kit- and (mostly) scratch-building until the early 1970's when family
and school overwhelmed any other spare-time activities and I only
started coming back to it in the late '90s when I was recuperating
from very major surgery and needed something to keep me sitting in one
place for most of the day for several months and that's when I started
building dioramas.

But there's some knowledge that's just not coming back. One such
category of knowledge is to recognize the various types (Bettendorf,
Andrews, Timken....) on sight. SO ... I need some sort of Freight
Truck Spotters Guide. AFAIK there isn't anything like this published,
but there may be sections of a more inclusive book -- or, even better,
a web-site -- that covers the form and variations of the various
types, preferably with some historical context so I won't mount 40's
trucks on a 1910 reefer.

Any and all suggestions gratefully appreciated.

Norm



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Re: Recognizing Freight Truck Types

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

Norm - On our web site
(http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/index.html)
there is a glossary section which included some information about some of
the various truck types by name (as well as running board and brake wheel
types, etc.), although it is still "a work in progress". But also I have
started a freight truck section (go to the "What's New" section.), which
also is in progress. - John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net>
To: "steamfreight" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:08 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Recognizing Freight Truck Types


I've been away from this hobby too long. I started in the middle of
the last century when I was in my early teens and continued (some)
kit- and (mostly) scratch-building until the early 1970's when family
and school overwhelmed any other spare-time activities and I only
started coming back to it in the late '90s when I was recuperating
from very major surgery and needed something to keep me sitting in one
place for most of the day for several months and that's when I started
building dioramas.

But there's some knowledge that's just not coming back. One such
category of knowledge is to recognize the various types (Bettendorf,
Andrews, Timken....) on sight. SO ... I need some sort of Freight
Truck Spotters Guide. AFAIK there isn't anything like this published,
but there may be sections of a more inclusive book -- or, even better,
a web-site -- that covers the form and variations of the various
types, preferably with some historical context so I won't mount 40's
trucks on a 1910 reefer.

Any and all suggestions gratefully appreciated.

Norm



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Re: Recognizing Freight Truck Types

Norm Dresner <ndrez@...>
 

At least this time I got the truth:
"The server is too busy to serve your request at the moment. Please try
again later"

Thanks

Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: ian clasper <ianclasper@yahoo.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Recognizing Freight Truck Types


Keep on trying, and hitting the refresh button

The webpage is host by :

AOL (America OFF Line), one of the worst website hosts
It took several attempts to get the site to load this morning

I wish Pat and Ed would move the site to somewhere more user friendly
host

Ian Clasper

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Recognizing Freight Truck Types


Ian

I clicked on the link and all I could get is
"The page cannot be displayed"
from an otherwise perfectly functioning browser.

Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: ian clasper <ianclasper@yahoo.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Recognizing Freight Truck Types


Hi Ned

Invest in :

Railway Prototype Cyclopaedia
RP CYC 4

http://hometown.aol.com/rpcyc/rpcychome.html

This has a very good article written by our very own Richard
Hendrickson.

Once you have this volume, I am certain that you will invest in all
the
other volumes.

These are some of the best historical RR references published

Ian Clasper



----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net>
To: "steamfreight" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Recognizing Freight Truck Types


I've been away from this hobby too long. I started in the middle
of
the last century when I was in my early teens and continued (some)
kit- and (mostly) scratch-building until the early 1970's when
family
and school overwhelmed any other spare-time activities and I only
started coming back to it in the late '90s when I was recuperating
from very major surgery and needed something to keep me sitting in
one
place for most of the day for several months and that's when I
started
building dioramas.

But there's some knowledge that's just not coming back. One such
category of knowledge is to recognize the various types
(Bettendorf,
Andrews, Timken....) on sight. SO ... I need some sort of Freight
Truck Spotters Guide. AFAIK there isn't anything like this
published,
but there may be sections of a more inclusive book -- or, even
better,
a web-site -- that covers the form and variations of the various
types, preferably with some historical context so I won't mount
40's
trucks on a 1910 reefer.

Any and all suggestions gratefully appreciated.

Norm



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