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NYC flat cars

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>

#5336

Hey y'all

Many moons ago I asked y'all about some NYC flats (ECW 90 ton and Red
Caboose 40 ft)...now the time has come to actualy paint and letter them I
have some more questions:

Who makes decals for NYC flats circa 1944?  (do I need to use N-scale
boxacar decals for the herald?)

What is a good NYC "mineral red"...esp in the polyscale line?

TIA
Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: Replacing Leaf Springs

thompson@...

#5335

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Precision Scale catalogs brass leaf springs, similar to the old
Silver Streak springs but presumably somewhat smaller, as they are intended
for use in D&RGW narrow gauge caboose trucks.  Richard, I always thought it was the track gauge that was narrow, not the
bolster.

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Re: Dimensions of Steam Era

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>

#5334

Ok, so how about width and depth of the ties?

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Concerning ties: ATSF had 3 standards that I am aware of.

Main lines got 9' ties of hardwood.
Branch lines could get 8' ties of hardwood or "other" woods.
The old track plans will tell you which is expected depending on the
geography and traffic.

------------------------- Original Message -----Hi Guys

I am looking at building several lumber based loads for flat cars /gondolas

The first is Utility Poles. (Telegraph / Phone / Power etc)
What would the typical dimensions be for these in the 40s/50's ?

Second is Railroad Ties
What are the sizes, again for this period.
Has this dimension changed over the years ?
Also, would a load of railroad ties be interchanged between the majorroads
?

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Re: Dimensions of Steam Era

Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@...>

#5332

Concerning ties: ATSF had 3 standards that I am aware of.

Main lines got 9' ties of hardwood.
Branch lines could get 8' ties of hardwood or "other" woods.
The old track plans will tell you which is expected depending on the
geography and traffic.

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From: "ian clasper" <ianclasper@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:56 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Dimensions of Steam Era

Hi Guys

I am looking at building several lumber based loads for flat cars /gondolas

The first is Utility Poles. (Telegraph / Phone / Power etc)
What would the typical dimensions be for these in the 40s/50's ?

Second is Railroad Ties
What are the sizes, again for this period.
Has this dimension changed over the years ?
Also, would a load of railroad ties be interchanged between the majorroads
?

Thanks

Ian Clasper

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Geared hand brake in Red Cabooses X29/M-26

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>

#5333

Hi Guys

What is the geared hand brake that is provided in Red Cabooses X29/M-26 ?

The handwheel is Ajax, but what is the housing ? It certainly aint Ajax ! 
Does it have a prototype or just a crude blob of plastic ?

Thanks

Ian Clsaper


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Re: Shell Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson

#5331

Charlie Morrill asks:

Did the aluminum paint with black lettering schemes on Shell tank cars as
pictured in the RP Cyc last through the '40s?AFAIK, no Shell Petroleum cars (Eastern Shell SEPX, Roxana RPX, or Shell of
Calif. SCCX) were ever painted aluminum.  Many Shell Chemical cars (SCMX)
were painted aluminum with black lettering, however, and that practice
continued in the 1950s and '60s.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Re: Shell Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson

#5330

(Shell of Calif. did put Shell logos above
the reporting marks on some cars in the 1950s, as correctly represented by
Life-Like's 8K gal. AC&F Type 21 models.)The 50s! Oh poop another car into the trash can.

NedNot so fast Ned, I think the car is OK if you remove the logo (please
correct me if I'm wrong!), and it isn't that hard to do! (and then you have
different car from the "masses" <G>).  First try solvaset (or other decal
solution) with a pencil eraser, and move on to grit blasting if that
doesn't work.Actually, I was overgeneralizing a bit.  SCCX cars began to get the Shell
logos after WW II, so there were at least a few of them around as early as
1947.  For Ned's purposes, however, Maryland would have been very far
afield for SCCX cars after the WW II oil transportation crisis had
subsided; the SCCX fleet was based at Watson (Los Angeles Harbor) and
Martinez (San Francisco Bay area) in California and used almost entirely to
transport refinery products to west coast wholesalers.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Re: Shell Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson

#5328

Jon Miller writes (quoting me):

The SCCX cars modeled by LL were originally built by AC&F
for Shell's midwestern subsidiary, the Roxana Petroleum Corp., and carried
RPX reporting marks until about '42-'43, when 150 of them were transferrend
to Shell of CA.  So to model those cars ca. '41 you need to completely
re-letter them and no decals are currently available.All true, Jon.  But L-L plans to issue a model later this year with the WW
II era RPX lettering.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Re: Replacing Leaf Springs

Richard Hendrickson

#5327

Bill Daniels writes:

I dont know of anyone who makes leaf springs anymore.  BC Models makes arch
bar trucks with leaf springs;  I believe these are cast metal.  Tichy Train
Group makes plastic bettendorf trucks; one type has one leaf/onecoil spring
per side; another type has two leaf springs per side.  BillSeveral Eastern Car Works freight car trucks (e.g. Birdsboro Andrews) have
separate spring inserts which are coils on one side, leaf springs on the
other, and their Barber Bettendorf caboose trucks have inserts which are
leaf springs on both sides.  These inserts are molded styrene so they can
easily be trimmed/shimmed to fit the spring openings in other mfrs.'
trucks.  Precision Scale catalogs brass leaf springs, similar to the old
Silver Streak springs but presumably somewhat smaller, as they are intended
for use in D&RGW narrow gauge caboose trucks.  They're item # HO-31968, 12
per package, $1.75 (according to my now somewhat outdated catalog).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Seaboard woodracks

salfan2001 <ThisIsR@...>

#5337

Hello:
     I just read a product annoucement/review of Tichy's ACL woodrack
and I'm rather confused.  The annoucenment indicates this car is 
similar to Seaboard's R-3 class woodracks.  Is this a typo?  I know
Seaboard had R-4 and R-5 racks as well as the "R-1" class.  I have 
never seen any reference to R-3 or R-2 classes.  The "R-1" was an old
flatcar with bent rails on it acting as a cradle for the pulpwood.  
Was there an R-2/R-3 class of woodracks?  I hope someone out there can
answer this question.  Thanks!

Richard Stallworth

freight car modeling inspirations

Justin Kahn <jacekahn@...>

#5325

That rings a bell; I vaguely remember that (ca. 1950?) as I was coveting Lionel.  Harry Zarchy?
Jace Kahn

Perhaps my first exposure to "the world of freight cars" was, (drumroll please...) "The Big Book of Real Trains."
It had cutaway views and explanations of how steam and diesel locomotives work, and diagrams showing what train crew members do.  >Scott Pitzer
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Re: Shell Tank Cars

Jon Miller <atsf@...>

#5324

I don't think so!  This is a note I have with the cars that Richard posted.

sic--worse news.  The SCCX cars modeled by LL were originally built by AC&F
for Shell's midwestern subsidiary, the Roxana Petroleum Corp., and carried
RPX reporting marks until about '42-'43, when 150 of them were transferrend
to Shell of CA.  So to model those cars ca. '41 you need to completely
re-letter them and no decals are currently available.

    Richard really does need to get the tank car book done<VBG>.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
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Replacing Leaf Springs

Justin Kahn <jacekahn@...>

#5323

Although I have been out of HO for nearly twenty-five years, I would guess the "Walthers" leaf springs were part of the Silver Streak line from when Walthers bought it.  They always worked well and looked convincing (at least in that simpler time).  I would not be surprised if PSC didn't have some, too.
I am a bit puzzled by Norm's saying that EACH side of EACH truck required two leaf springs, as I don't recall ever seeing any like that, not even in O scale.
Jace Kahn



        Back in pre-history, Walthers had replacement leaf
springs.  However they have not be offered for a decade or
so.  I understand Precision Scale has replacement leaf
springs as part of their product line.        Mike Carson
: Going through my hell-box I came across a pair of tender
trucks which had
: been put out to pasture because a leaf-spring broke and
another is on
: permanent vacation in a dense pile carpet.
:
: I can (and have) replaced coil springs for
freight/passenger car trucks,
: but where can I get or how can I make replacement leaf
springs that at
: least look plausible.  >: uniformity.  FWIW, each truck uses 4 leaf springs, two on
each side, that
: are about .060"/1.5mm wide and it looks like it would be a
small major
: project to convert them to coil springs.
::         Norm
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Re: Shell Tank Cars

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>

#5322

(Shell of Calif. did put Shell logos above
the reporting marks on some cars in the 1950s, as correctly represented by
Life-Like's 8K gal. AC&F Type 21 models.)The 50s! Oh poop another car into the trash can.

NedNot so fast Ned, I think the car is OK if you remove the logo (please
correct me if I'm wrong!), and it isn't that hard to do! (and then you have
different car from the "masses" <G>).  First try solvaset (or other decal
solution) with a pencil eraser, and move on to grit blasting if that
doesn't work.

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: Shell Tank Cars

Charles Morrill <badlands@...>

#5321

Did the aluminum paint with black lettering schemes on Shell tank cars as
pictured in the RP Cyc last through the '40s?
Charlie

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From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Shell Tank Cars

Off hand I remember a yellow Shell tank car... Doesn't our guru Hendrickson state that there was no such paint scheme?I've never said that.  There is documentary evidence that some cars were
delivered in the 1920s to SEPX (Shell Eastern Products) and RPX (Roxana
Petroleum) with yellow tanks and red billboard lettering.  What I HAVEsaid
is that those paint schemes didn't last long, the photographic evidence
showing that all of the Shell affiliates went to a more practical black
with white stenciling in the 1930s, and that numerous models with yellow
tanks and red lettering purporting to represent cars in service in the
1940s and later are all bogus.  (Shell of Calif. did put Shell logos above
the reporting marks on some cars in the 1950s, as correctly represented by
Life-Like's 8K gal. AC&F Type 21 models.)

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

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Re: Replacing Leaf Springs

BillD53A@...

#5329

I'm Bill Donahue, have to startsigning my name to my posts...sorry for any 
confusion.  Bill Donahue

Re: Replacing Leaf Springs

BillD53A@...

#5326

I dont know of anyone who makes leaf springs anymore.  BC Models makes arch 
bar trucks with leaf springs;  I believe these are cast metal.  Tichy Train 
Group makes plastic bettendorf trucks; one type has one leaf/onecoil spring 
per side; another type has two leaf springs per side.  Bill

Re: RY Proto CYC

mbcarson2002

#5320

Ed,

        Thank you for the information.  I believe you had
posted information about the content of next Volume earlier,
but missing bit was when we might expect the next issue.

As my earlier posting stated you and all those associated
with RPC have done an excellent job of publishing a world
class serial.  Personally, I understand that work of the
caliber of RPC requires a lot of time to accomplish and
implies the interval between volumes is numbered in months
rather than weeks.

        Thank you,

        Mike Carson

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From: <HAWK0621@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, 25 January, 2002 00:03
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RY Proto CYC


:
: In a message dated 1/24/02 9:45:51 PM,
mbcarson@... writes:
:
: >October 2001, IIRC.  I guess we could quibble if
: >October is more than a couple months ago.  The older I
get
: >the faster time seems to go, but Volume 6 came out after
the
: >warm weather left Vermont. After I replied to your
question,
: >I checked the RPC website and it was silent about the
next
: >issue/volume.
:
: Mike,
:
: Volume 7 is in work and anticipated for release this
spring (perhaps April).
: It will contain a relatively long article on express
refrigerator cars, EMD
: F3 Phase III locomotives, and one freight car article that
for now will be a
: surprise. The text for articles is essentially complete
and we've been
: working on scanning photos. The page layout phase will
begin very soon. We
: will update the web site when we have a known target date
for Vol. 7
: completion.
:
: Regarding difficulties reported earlier today encountered
with accessing the
: RP CYC web site, I too had problems today and contacted
the AOL technical
: support staff for an explanation. No reply at this time.
As of 11:00 pm CST,
: it is still not functioning properly. We have made no
changes lately so it
: must be a system problem.
:
: Regards,
: Ed Hawkins
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Re: Back Issues

schroederbears <schroeder.bears@...>

#5319

--- In STMFC@y..., "schroederbears" <schroeder.bears@g...> wrote:

oops, sorry for that one...

Re: Back Issues

schroederbears <schroeder.bears@...>

#5318

--- In STMFC@y..., Earl Tuson <etuson@y...> wrote:
Well, I doubt I have as many back issues as Paul Gibson or these other folks,
but my wife and I have peddling the late Harry Frye's magazine collection at
local train shows here in NH.  It is beginning to get somewhat picked over,
with most of the higher value mags gone, but I might as well get the word out
here.  It has been our intent to "finish" with this endeavor this April, as we
don't feel we can continue to cover table costs after that point.  If you need
something, send a message to trainmags@y... .

As for the ARA steel boxcar article in the 6/98 RMJ, that one got cut out and
placed into my binder...
Earl,

do you have Model Railroading 1996 June available ?



thanks

Bernd Schroeder

Earl Tuson

   From: "Michael Carson" <mbcarson@t...>

I don't know of another back issue source with a web
presence.  The classified ads in the February 2002 Model
Railroader list two other sources; the San Diego Model
Railroad Museum and Wesley Wolf of Kent, OH.   Mr. Wolf, I
think, just recently bought out a long time east coast back
issue dealer.
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