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Re: Speedwitch Southern gons

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

From: "Frank Greene" fgreen01@...
Date: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:33am(PDT)
Subject: Re: SpeedWitch Media - was Intermountain gondola grabs and weatherin

Built in 1938 and should be available now, based on comments made in Savannah. SRHA will also have low side gon kits based on the 1924 cars rebuilt by P-S in 1945.

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN
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----- Original Message -----
From: wmcclark1980
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:38 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain gondola grabs and weathering


I see on his website http://www.speedwitch.com/ that there is a gondola, Southern
40' low side, that's coming soon. He doesn't have the new date on the
website so I don't know whether it fits your modeling era or not.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California
No. What was told to people in Savannah was that they would be available soon (the timeframe I gave was 6-8 weeks.) Charlie's commitments have precluded him from being able to cast parts. The patterns are being sent elsewhere for casting and it will take some time to get that ramped up.

The cars were built in three groups from the late 1930s to the early 1940s.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: NYC 70-ton triple hoppers - USRA trucks??

proto48er
 

Larry -

Thank you very much! I did not realize that you were a P&LE
expert! I will order that article!

I am trying to find some use for the 70-ton USRA Andrews type
trucks that Rich Yoder imported - I bought (10) pair, thinking that
three pair would be used under my Bob Parri NYC triple hoppers! I
cannot find the 1984-era copy of the NYCHS Headlight article which,
I recall, indicated that these triples had "Keystone" trucks under
them - a type of Andrews truck. I do not know which series had the
USRA trucks. Parri's models were based on the photos in that
article, plus NYC plans from Lance Vail.

Similar trucks are under this NYC triple, but the car is
different from the models!

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-435171.jpg

I know that I can use at least four pair under my Parri NYC/RDG
gons. and one pair under a PSC#15263 C&O quad offset hopper with
peaked ends. Unfortunately, the NYC USRA gondolas with air-
activated containers and brick containers all appear to have cast
trucks under them. The two B&O USRA "clone" gondolas of mine have
the wider "B&O" end, one flat and one with horizontal crease, so
they both use cast trucks.

Need three pair of trucks?? Thanks again! A.T. Kott


Re: Modeler's Guide to Steel Boxcars (or "Boxcars for Dummies")

Richard White
 

On: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:40:09 -0400
Andy Miller wrote:

"At least it may serve the very useful purpose of dispelling the myth
among the fellaheen that all steam era box cars are Athearn box cars."


I guess I am slightly elevated above the ranks of the lumpen fellaheen, but
as a relative newcomer to modelling North American railroads, I think this
article might be helpful. it should help me to understand some of the things
you guys write!
Would any kind soul be willing to volunteer to send a copy to Botswana?
Please reply off group, direct to me.
Thank you in advance
Richard White








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Re: IM ART car

mcindoefalls
 

--- In STMFC@..., "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:


Note that the ARLX
cars were repainted starting in 53 with the large maroon Armour to the
right of the door.
Clark Propst
Ah, now THAT's interesting. . . I plan to model the CPR Vermont lines
in the 1949-54 era. There was an Armour plant on the B&M in
Woodsville, NH, and CPR southbounds often had an Armour reefer on the
head end for setout at Wells River, Vt., where the B&M would pick it
up for placement at the plant. I'm glad to know when the large ARMOUR
lettering came into use. Thanks!

Walt Lankenau


Re: ADMIN: The New STMFC Library Group...STMLIB

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

A very good idea and a great service to the hobby and historians.

I very much apreciate your efforts and the time you are devoting to
this.

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/ and

Model Railroads of Southern California
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/


Re: SpeedWitch Media - was Intermountain gondola grabs and weathering

Frank Greene <fgreen01@...>
 

Built in 1938 and should be available now, based on comments made in Savannah. SRHA will also have low side gon kits based on the 1924 cars rebuilt by P-S in 1945.

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN
fgreen01@...

----- Original Message -----
From: wmcclark1980
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:38 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain gondola grabs and weathering


I see on his website http://www.speedwitch.com/ that there is a gondola, Southern
40' low side, that's coming soon. He doesn't have the new date on the
website so I don't know whether it fits your modeling era or not.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California


Re: IM ART car

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Walt,
There are a couple books that may help answer your questions. Gene
Green did a reefer 'color book' for Morning Sun. There are several
pages devoted to Armour reefers. While I have the book I have not
taken the time to read it. I wrote an article in Ted Culotta's
first "Prototype Railroad Modeling" book on making the Intermountain
ARLX model more correct (what I want to do with the new ART model).
Problem is I need more IM ARLX reefers and every time they come up on
ebay my (so called) freinds bid up the price so they can get a model
make the car in the article. I've been told I should have bought all I
needed before the article was printed! I need to have Allen at 'Black
Cat decals' make me complete sets. I did have Oddball make a set to do
either a PCX or TRAX car, but he printed them on an Alps printed so
the maroon Armour came out either reddish or brownish.
To asnwer your question from what I know. I believe the ARLX cars
were leased? from GATX these cars were rebuilt in 59, 60 at the M&StL
Marshalltown car shops and renumbered into the 8000s. Armour also
leased reefers lettered TRAX in 54 and PCX in 57. So, cars with all
three reporting marks could be coupled together. Note that the ARLX
cars were repainted starting in 53 with the large maroon Armour to the
right of the door.
Clark Propst



--- In STMFC@..., "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Clark Propst" <cepropst@> wrote:

There are a couple of the new Intermountain ART models painted PCX
(Armour) on ebay. The PCX cars are too new for me

I have seen pix of similar Armour steel cars with ARLX, I think,
reporting marks, numbered in the 1-999 (?) series. (It's been a while
and I don't have immediate access to the books/photos.) Did the ARLX
and PCX cars co-exist, or did one mark follow the other
cronologically? Did Armour sell the cars and lease them back, or
what?

Walt Lankenau


ADMIN: The New STMFC Library Group...STMLIB

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Several months ago I was asked how the STMFC might make available to its members a "library" of information about various frt cars...real or models. Alsom included will be parts of frt cars such as trucks, roofs etc.

After considering various options...including the effort and, therefore, the probability of ever achieving it, I and several other members have reached the conclusion that it might be useful to have another group [ don't worry...it's not as bad as you think ] in which only information messages that have been presented on the STMFC would be present. This group...called the STMLIB...will contain no other messages except such information messages and no one but the STMFC management will be able to send it messages.

The advantage of this concept is that the information is already available, only those messages with pertinent information will be present, searching through the estimated maximimum of 250-300 messages compared to 53,000 will be much simpler and possible. Messages will be given an additional subject heading...for example, X29...so the searcher can simply search on X29 to see all such messages. Such search activities will, of course, take place at the Yahoo site at the STMLIB Group home page.

It will take time to develop this library and it certainly won't be done overnight. The first step has been to create the library with 10 messages associated with X29 box cars. While those taking a look might see my name on the messages, an in depth look will reveal the original author...my name appearing only because I'm forwarding the messages to the STMLIB.

For those that wish to use this feature:

Subscribe: STMLIB-subscribe@...
Unsubscribe: STMLIB-unsubscribe@...
List owner: STMLIB-owner@...


Feel free to ask questions or offer advice at:

STMFC-owner@...

but not on the STMFC.

As I said, this will be an on going effort...a work in place. Hopefully it will do some of what members have asked. It is, right now, somewhat experimental and we'll change it as we need to as we proceed in its development.

Thanks,
Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Red River Lumber

mrslandser
 

What a great picture, Bob! ... and the basis for a very unusual modeling project!

Thanks!

Jack Hanger


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Re: Lumber loading

david zuhn
 

This particular image was taken in 1936 at the Red River Lumber Co.
What is unusual (to me, at least), is the apparent use of boards and
canvas (?) to shield the area above the boxcar doors. It appears
these temporary structures were to protect the finished lumber from
the rain.
Too much lumber is shown not under a tarp for me to believe that it's
protection of the wood that's desired. Since loading lumber is hard
enough work as it is, I'll bet this contraption was built by a couple
of guys trying to keep from getting wetter than necessary while
loading the wood (aka protect the people).

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http://stpaulterminal.org/


Re: Lumber loading

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

I came across an image of finished lumber being loaded into
boxcars. The image can be seen at:

http://ulibimage.ucdavis.edu/speccoll/east01/full/P-1939.jpg

The image is part of the Online Archive of California collection,
which has historical materials from a variety of California
institutions, including museums, historical societies, and archives.
Over 120,000 images; 50,000 pages of documents, letters, and oral
histories; and 8,000 guides to collections are available on this
site ( http://oac.cdlib.org/ ).

This particular image was taken in 1936 at the Red River Lumber Co.
What is unusual (to me, at least), is the apparent use of boards and
canvas (?) to shield the area above the boxcar doors. It appears
these temporary structures were to protect the finished lumber from
the rain.

Maybe it's just that simple but can anyone shed more light on this?

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/ and

Model Railroads of Southern California
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/


Re: 1/2 off Branchline Freight Cars

Michael Weiss
 

Oops, please ignore earlier msg. I hit reply key instead of typing in Andy's e-mail address.
Mike Weiss


Re: 1/2 off Branchline Freight Cars

Michael Weiss
 

Andy-
Are cars still available? Our club would be interested (as might I)
Mike Weiss

Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Almost all cars below are priced at $8.00 ea.

I have the following cars available for sale priced at
one half-off the MSRP. I am selling at this price only
in quantities of 8, which fit in a Flat-rate box
($8.20 to anywhere in the US)

Contact me off-list if interested. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
midcentury@...

1001 50' SD Riveted ATSF (1 only)
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1003 " " " MILW (2)
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1015 " " " MEC (1)
1016 " " " C&EI (1)
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1018 " " " WM (2)
1021 " " " RI (1)
1022 " " " C&O (1)
1023 " " " GTW (1)
1024 " " " P&E (1)
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1104 50' DD B&O (1)
1108 " " IC (1)
1114 " " ERIE (1)
1124 " " EL (2)
1406 40' boxcar CN (1)
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*1408 " " CP (1) (* indicates
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1606 " " " LV (1)
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1707 " " " NKP (1)
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All cars are $16.00 List price except for the marked
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Eight car minimums at this price. Add $2.00/ car for
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Out-Of-Production Intermountain Reefers

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Can anyone suggest a source where I can find a complete (or near
complete) list of the refrigerator cars produced by Intermountain?

The Intermountain website has a partial list of current and recently
produced products but does not list earlier out of production items.

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/ and

Model Railroads of Southern California
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/


Re: Lumber loading

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

http://www.steaminthewoods.com/RedRiver/RRLCo_LoadingLumberatMill_
AkleyMN_75700_copy.jpg

Lumber loading but not through the "Lumber door."


Schuyler "stayin' in scope" Larrabee
As discussed a few years ago, lumber wasn't loaded through a lumber door but
the door was used to allow pieces longer than half the interior length of
the car to be loaded. Quoting from my book, "Trains to Yosemite"....(obvious
plug <g>):

"The tram system extended through the production plants and onto the loading
docks fronting the railroad where the finished lumber was manually loaded
into box cars by car loaders. Mill stock and larger pieces were typically
loaded into box cars by two-man crews. A scrap piece of 2x4 with a foot-wide
roller bearing was clamped across the box car door opening to act as a
pivot. With the pivot at the height of the top of the lumber on the tram,
the "outside" man took the end of a board, levered the opposite end onto the
roller, and shoved it into the car. The second man, inside the car, guided
the end of the board off the roller and onto the growing stack inside the
car. Boards slightly longer than one-half of the inside length of the car
could be easily loaded by this method. Longer boards could be loaded into
box cars which had an end lumber door by starting the board into the car in
the same way but then guiding the excess length through the lumber door from
the inside. Once the opposite end cleared the door, the board could be
guided onto the stack.
While the pivot and two-man crews helped minimize the work involved,
loading box cars would be extremely hot work, especially during the summer
months when outside temperatures would be in excess of 90 degrees. While the
loading dock was covered, temperatures inside a steel box car in the summer
months could be extremely draining."

This description of the process came from information from this list and a
color movie taken in 1939 showing box cars being loaded exactly this way at
Merced Falls.

The tram system shown in Schuyler's photo is similar to the one used in
Merced Falls for the Yosemite Lumber Company except that the tram in
Schuyler's photo appears to be closer to standard gauge whereas the Yosemite
Lumber Company trams were 24" gauge.

I don't think that the loaded trams were always moved by hand in Schuyler's
photo....I see what appears to be a couple of horses in the background...one
coming toward the camera to the right of the line of box cars and possibly
one being ridden on the left. These are fairly large trams and moving a
loaded one by hand could be a load of work. The YLCo.'s 24"-gauge trams were
much smaller and more easily be moved.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: IM ART car

mcindoefalls
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Clark Propst" <cepropst@...> wrote:

There are a couple of the new Intermountain ART models painted PCX
(Armour) on ebay. The PCX cars are too new for me

I have seen pix of similar Armour steel cars with ARLX, I think,
reporting marks, numbered in the 1-999 (?) series. (It's been a while
and I don't have immediate access to the books/photos.) Did the ARLX
and PCX cars co-exist, or did one mark follow the other
cronologically? Did Armour sell the cars and lease them back, or what?

Walt Lankenau


Re: Lumber loading

mrslandser
 

I suspect you are right and came to the same conclusion. Nevertheless, pushing a loaded car through a turnout without guards would be a daunting task I would think! LOL

Does anyone know if that is a car number or ???? on the end of the boxcar that is being loaded?

Jack Hanger

"Miller, Andrew S." <asmiller@...> wrote:
My suspicion is that those turnouts were only for use by the carts
being used to deliver the lumber to the box cars for loading. The cart
look like they were pushed by hand and could be guided through the
turnouts by the pusher.


regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Eva Hanger
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:57 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Lumber loading

GREAT PHOTO! Couple of details jump out real quick: Height of the
brake wheel staff(s) and lack of guard rails by the "frogs".

Thanks

Jack Hanger

Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

http://www.steaminthewoods.com/RedRiver/RRLCo_LoadingLumberatMill_Akley
MN_75700_copy.jpg

Lumber loading but not through the "Lumber door."


Schuyler "stayin' in scope" Larrabee



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Re: Lumber loading

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

My suspicion is that those turnouts were only for use by the carts
being used to deliver the lumber to the box cars for loading. The cart
look like they were pushed by hand and could be guided through the
turnouts by the pusher.


regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Eva Hanger
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:57 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Lumber loading

GREAT PHOTO! Couple of details jump out real quick: Height of the
brake wheel staff(s) and lack of guard rails by the "frogs".

Thanks

Jack Hanger

Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

http://www.steaminthewoods.com/RedRiver/RRLCo_LoadingLumberatMill_Akley
MN_75700_copy.jpg

Lumber loading but not through the "Lumber door."


Schuyler "stayin' in scope" Larrabee



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Re: IM ART car

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

"Affence?" Man, this is a great list. I learn something every
day.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Thank you for reading my post.
Clark Propst


Re: NYC 70-ton triple hoppers - USRA trucks??

Larry Kline
 

A.T. Kott asked:
Does anyone know offhand whether the NYC 70-ton triple ribbed hoppers
had these USRA Andrews-type trucks under them? Any web photos of these
cars?

The NMRA Kalmbach Library Charles collection has photos of five NYC and
one P&LE USRA design triple hoppers. All but one of these cars have
cast steel side frame trucks. The other car has Verona pedestal trucks.
The two color photos of these cars in the recent Morning Sun NYC Color
Guide show one car with cast steel trucks and one car with Verona
trucks. None of the photos I have seen show USRA Andrews trucks. I
believe the cast steel and Verona are the original trucks.

Terry Link has photos on line at:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&le-66000.jpg
(builders photo available from Keith Retterer, cast steel truck)
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-913703.jpg
(photo available from Bobs photo, Verona truck)

I wrote a short article on these cars for the P&LE HS magazine _The
Little Giant_.
http://www.plerrhs.org/tlg/tlg_002_2/cover.shtm

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

141821 - 141840 of 195428